Imagine if Lebron James or Tom Brady got caught using roids?

The fact that elite cyclists and runners are still getting caught is a great thing.

It means that some of the elite contestants are probably clean.

Last clean pro football or basketball player - some unknown from the 1970s.

Hammer Nutrition, Ltd. sued by endurance athletes from Australia, United States, and Canada, claiming positive steroid tests cau (spencelawyers.com)

it is what Rebekah Keat was popped for from tainted supplements.

i have no interest in any of this per se but the Qs is why did CAS deny the appeal? Their release is yet to come. And where is WADA? It reads like from her press release WADA suggested the hair samples are a mitigating factor showing contamination probability vs. consistent use of the drug. But this case judiciary is Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU).

I would be more inclined to believe a 'tainted supplement/reduced sentence' defense than I am pork/don't know what nandrolone is defense. But what i believe doesn't really matter. What i think does is my 2 Qs above for future protection of clean athletes. Where is CAS? and where is WADA?

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IMHO, Infeld, Gwen and Karissa don't look quite like this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2jj4D_BGaG/

Not true. This is the fundamental issue at play. Andy Froncioni’s proposal is the solution that leverages the human factor.

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

Pregnancy doping?

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

i'm not surprised you feel as though that's the fundamental issue at play.

I don't really compare the two. Athletes in some pro sports have implicit agreements with each other and fans. So it's not really cheating anymore since the reasonable expectation of cleanliness is absent. You play in the NFL, you know what you're getting into. Just don't be dumb about it (like a few athletes are every year).

In Olympic-type sports we still try to maintain the appearance of adhering to The Code. Maybe that's eroding a bit, so that in some sports it's effectively a free-for-all.

What, human nature?

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

marathoners vs. 800 meter / 1500 meter runners. that's like saying Rupp should look like Centro.

She's obviously very lean, and has greater muscle mass. Here's a crazy thought. Some women have more muscle and less body fat than others. It's called genetics. Secondly, if you think those waifs don't have food issues, you are kidding yourself.

Here's the greatest Olympic gold medal winner in history (XC skiing). I suppose she must be doping too.

the fundamental issue at play is that (one of) the best distance runner in america popped a positive, and asserts that it was tainted meat. and that neither she nor her coach have ever heard of nandrolone.

Here is something to think about... Colleen Quigley left the BTC team a few weeks ago in protest.

No man, that was four months ago now. I understand that in the pandemic era time is a fictional construct.

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Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

It seemed like it was "protest" related to money.

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"one eye doubles my eyesight, so things don't look half bad" John Hiatt

in the case of the former, would the contraceptives then be on the banned list? and this turns into a 'starky redux' case of the athlete not vetting their (legal) drugs carefully enough? or would the contraceptives still be totally fine, and their (occasional) production of dodgy metabolites simply an unfortunate side-effect that's readily cleared up with a doctor's note?

in the case of a pregnancy, that too would (surely!) be an easy one to clarify . . .

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not asserting tainted meat. it's merely conjecture on their part because they have provided no evidence that she actually had a burrito from that truck and that meat from that truck was tainted. this is the defense you use when you have no defense.

she also rolled the dice by asking for an expedited hearing and fighting hard so now her career is basically over because she is out of paris too. she would have been better off being honest and repentant to get the typical light ban of max a year and then have paris to shoot for.

Shelby and her team are, in fact, asserting that her positive is the result of tainted meat.

from the horse's mouth:

In the following 5 days after being notified, I put together a food log of everything that I consumed the week of that December 15th test. We concluded that the most likely explanation was a burrito purchased and consumed approximately 10 hours before that drug test from an authentic Mexican food truck that serves pig offal near my house in Beaverton, Oregon. I notified the AIU that I believed this was the source.

she's just guessing with language like that because she had no other defense. she didn't even provide evidence that she ate from a food truck that day. why would tex-mex food truck selling burritos be dumping pig offal (which is all of the junk leftover from the pig, like brains and lungs) into a burrito? it's simply not credible but she can't claim it came from a beef, chicken, fish or veggie burrito (the kinds that normal people order). just one loaded up with leftover pig guts.

The Letsrun link says they have "a receipt [from the food truck] and iPhone locator data to back up her explanation"

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

That's literally what asserting means.

Was it tex-mex or "authentic Mexican" per the post you responded to?

Tex-mex, almost no chance. But *authentic* Mexican food certainly. Real Mexican barbacoa or cochinita pibil can easily involve almost the whole dang animal. Even carnitas, per RandMart above. I don't know how likely it would be that a Beaverton food truck would be serving authentic Mexican. I could see it in, say, some 'hoods in Los Angeles for sure. If it were authentic it wouldn't be hard to track down, as it'd be upscale (it's way more labor intensive to make authentic Mexican food than just grill meat American-style).

Excuse me but isn't all those leftover bits just ... sausage? Or Scrapple, if you're in PA?

'Cuz you never know what's in that shit

So maybe it was a pork carnita with sausage?

I'm not taking her side, just wondering what the menu may have been

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

This has to come up quite a few times from various people on here, other mediums etc and I am choosing to respond to this one for no rhyme or reason.

I don't think it is that uncommon for an athlete to NOT know about Nandrolone. What always amazes me reading comments on here, Youtube, other places is how much some people seem to know about doping. It is like, how the F*** do they know all this. The average pro who isn't doping really doesn't know a lot. On a personal level I was happy to educate athletes on the best tires to use in triathlon or why the lead vehicle was important, but ask me about doping and I would really only know EPO, T, HGH for quite a while. Then maybe Clen or Ostarine as it got some press in triathlon. I knew when traveling to Mexico not to eat meat. But beyond that very little and I was double T crosser, double I dotter. Athletes who don't dope, just don't know much. I always think back to Andy Potts riding Gatorskins in Kona. WTF would the best chance at a US Kona win ride Gatorskins. This is a professional we are talking about it. This is an Olympian. People give pro athletes way too much credit for their wide breadth of knowledge.

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my understanding is that the birth control product(s) we're talking about actually are allowed per the WADA code. here's a WADA technical sheet, and i don't know if its guidance is current or not. my understanding is that in this case, if you're using this birth control method, your threshold is now 10ng/ml, which means shelby would have been safely inside the threshold with her 5ng/ml (that's what was reported by somebody in this thread). however, i can only assume she was not on that drug or else she'd not be subject to a ban.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

What's the one where they boil the whole head?

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

i totally agree with your overall point about giving pros too much credit.

BUT.

riding gatorskins in kona is NOT a career ender.

knowing about PEDs IS.