You would think they would want to find any way they can to have it go off... But who knows I also don't know what in the world they're going to do about transition isn't the oval under construction

This sucks.

I hope they let us k is by end of May as you suggest. I’d rather not make the life sacrifices of that last big 2 month push of volume for nothing.

No idea about the established members of the town committee, just the new ones ran on a platform of race cancellation. While googling around looking for information that doesn’t exist I did notice that the race was initially postponed to the end of August last year. Anyone think they might do similar this year? Haven’t seen this possibility discussed.

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My one concern about the end of August is that it's the same weekend as Maine 70.3 You have a lot of people looking to do both events. I was thinking it could be the same date as when LP 70.3 was. That's the second weekend of September. That is also the same date as Atlantic City. I am hopeful they will try for a late August early September date. The other problem with that is the Kona slots would be 2022. Who knows.

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Just a headache all the way around.

Well.. They've released the athlete list, so hopefully that's a positive for the event being held.

They released a list, but it doesn't seem to have any international athletes listed:(

Looks like just a share under 3,000 names on the list. Doesn’t appear they downsized it at all.

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Its been updated, now has international competitors on it.

good to hear!

Pump the brakes. That is coming from IM.... unfortunately they don't decide.

I'm not sure why people don't understand this very simple concept. Ironman is going to proceed as if the race will happen until it doesn't. People shouldn't read anything into it.

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Within a month, most people will be back to work and be vaccinated. Unless the people of LP want to kill off this event for other reasons, it should take place.

Can I have the name of your medication? I'm going to request some.

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But seriously I'm not sure what to expect. There seems to be some desire on LP end to squash it again this year or maybe we are reading the tea leaves wrong.

Don't think it's that simple. Unfortunately, from the looks of things, US may only get to 50-60% of adult population vaccinated... because huge % of people showing they won't get a shot. That's just going to push back things.

I hope people get to race at LP. But it seems pretty tough (I'm not local, don't have inside information, this just speculation):

• We will not have magical "great news, this this is over" in next 30, 60, 90 days. If someone (local politician) who wants to read/find data/opinion pieces to show holding a race will be potentially devastating to a local venue, they will be able to do so.
• Tourist spots are heaving. They have been heaving. Again, not local, but read the news regarding Lake Placid. They were fully booked last summer. They've had huge numbers of tourists this spring. The town, residents, property owners aren't going to lose money by not holding IM this year. What's worse, and I've seen this in a couple tourist spots where we own property - locals are resentful for last 12 months...because they believe people have run over their towns to "get away from COVID" and as result... have brought there.
• This is just my speculation...but if you think about psychology of local government officials... if the town is heaving, what incentive do they have to hold large events? The only people who really benefit are the out-of-towners who come in and race... and then leave. Just adding to the headaches of people in the town right now. Worse, IF there is a demonstrable spike in infections... then they have to eat sh*t about it. Why risk that? Finally, in locations like LP, they know IM will be back.

The opposite of this is a race like Tulsa. OF COURSE, they will hold this race. As red a state as can be. A city that needs people to come to it. An event that is launching that needs to do whatever it can to launch.

In my opinion - this is where 2021 is going to be frustratingly asymmetrical. Some people will race. And some won't. And it won't seem fair.


Hope I'm wrong about LP as I believe racing can be responsibly held.

I hope you are wrong too, but I think you hit the nail on the head.

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In general, and I think you nailed it, racing won't have anything to do with science, but will have everythiing to do with instantaneous psychological profile of a collective of politicians in the town that has to issue permits. In many locations this will lag actual case load, and risk of hospital support by many months or quarters.

Also keep in mind that politicians in general are on full pay. They actually feel an unequal burden from the pandemic compared to private sector. So in general public sector officials who want to hold on to power, and on full pay, will be conservative in terms of allowing things that have potential or perceived risk. If there is perceived risk, rolling the dice may be a bad political move and if you never feel it personally in your bank account, then erring on the side of real or perceived caution will initially rule any decision making (and you can understand how things shake out that way).

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Also keep in mind that politicians in general are on full pay. They actually feel an unequal burden from the pandemic compared to private sector. So in general public sector officials who want to hold on to power, and on full pay,

What do you mean by full pay in this instance? I don't think being a trustee (town councilmember) in Lake Placid is a full-time job in terms of pay. I think it pays about US$6K/year.

This is common in small towns in this part of the US at least. Council members have other jobs or sources of income.

Here is an example from Lake Placid - this guy (who was elected) owns a store and is involved in tourism
https://www.lakeplacidnews.com/news/local-news/2021/03/05/questionnaire-lake-placid-trustee-candidate-marc-galvin/
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I think that guy was quoted as saying his bookstore had a great year last year, as did many other local businesses, and so LP doesn’t need the Ironman, or something to that effect.

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Yeah. And my point is that he is not fully paid as a politician who can ignore the external economic environment.

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Sorry, my statement was a general statement about politicians and govt officials on full pay. Agreed this may not apply to LP. But those who are on full pay (be it public or private sector) inherently have a different view on what opens up or not. Those who won't be able to pay for groceries tomorrow because of inability to do commerce inherently will lean another way. Its just how human psychology works. Military does tons of tests on soldiers in training depriving them of food and shelter on exercise to elicit those survival reactions, while simultaneously seeing how the teams keep missions on track. Mainly I am saying that if you're well fed, its easier to stay on whatever mission. Those who are unfed at some point fall out of line with the mission.

May not? May? Thanks for the political insight.

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I was replying to Dan Funk talking generally about races and permits all over, not just in LP. No need to get snarky about that.

You literally wrote "LP" in the sentence I commented on:

And if we're talking about "all over" as I said, in plenty of small towns your comments about politicians - at least elected ones - being fully paid is just not true.

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