I’m seeing the opposite. I’m literally mouth agape stunned. I have been using the mute button on these people as I can’t read their drivel right now. I don’t know what planet they are on or what debate they watched. Holy F!

That's true. I guess I meant more that Obama still won. My opinion is that the final debate is the most important, because that's the one that leaves the lasting impression.

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Minimizing head trauma of U.S. soldiers from Iranian attack so that you don't have to respond to Iran's response to the U.S. assassination of their general. Tough guy Trump.

Attacking democracy by claiming that elections are rigged... every day.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I'm with you on everything you said except this one point:



Racism can be as simple as thinking, "People like me are awesome. Other people... whatever." You don't need hatred for racism. Not caring about certain people in your care is enough.

I don't want to derail the post too much, but... I saw a lot of similarities in our political backgrounds when you described your background and voting history (even though, at this point, I've swung much further to the left than you have). Thanks for contributing to this thread.

I actually got worried after the first response Trump gave on the Supreme Court as he was relatively eloquent and made a good argument. I knew it would just be a question of time before he exploded...but didn’t know when. Then he interrupted Biden with a Pocahontas reference on the Dem primaries and that was it - game over for him.

I was worried as joe started out weakly, bumbling a bit and just “looking frail” but then Trump exploded and took all the attention away from any of that.

I wish Biden hadn’t called him a clown but it was a bit of a lose/lose. Say nothing and look “weak”. Say something and look like you’re going to Trump’s level.

I’d be interested to hear Chris Wallace’s assessment.

What I'm seeing is the Trump supporters on my FB feed have gone mostly quiet. I assume they are waiting for Fox News to develop their talking points. There has been some talk of the Hillary/Russia information that was released yesterday.

Yeah pretty quiet. I would assume a gratuitous insult of Biden would have shown up by now, at the minimum. Lefties are out in force bashing Trump for the same stuff people are talking about here.

Edit: first post on FB criticizing Wallace for unfair treatment of Trump. He is so put upon.

I'm detecting radio silence (not that I see much of this on my feed, although I see some in the comments of others' posts).

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In general in the past when I have asked people what policies they like of trump. I get something along the lines of:

1) the tax cuts - (trump is not running on the tax cuts. The fact that this is his only major legislation should tell people something),
2) healthcare (this is obviously a literal joke at this point),
3) immigration/the wall (once again a joke at this point. There has been zero policy discussion regarding immigration reform).
4) prison reform. (i think this was a good thing),
5) foreign diplomacy (seems like a kinda joke due to trump moving us further from our allies. Sure people like that other countries in Nato are "paying more", they are glad we got out of the paris accord, and they are glad we got out of the Iran deal - None of these should be enough to state your policies align more with trump),
6) abortion issues,
7) gun rights.

Fox is taking two tracks:
1) Both candidates were slinging mud
2) Trump won on style because he “dominated” Biden and Wallace. This made me absolutely crack up that he dominated the moderator.

In public they won’t but there are still about 45% of the country that will vote for him even after the debate.

Tax cuts now, with. Huuuuge deficits. Tax increases in the not too distant future.

I just read one of the tragically stupid people I went high school with post on FB that trump interrupts because he never gets his full two minutes to speak. Wallace was biased against trump.

Sure. That’s it. These people absolutely delusional.

This. Simply calling him racist implies that he cares about certain groups of people more than others based on a set of guiding principles, beliefs, etc. But he has none of those. There is nothing that anchors him or animates him other than pure selfishness, self-promotion, and preservation of power. It's 100% sociopathic and narcissistic. He literally doesn't care about anyone other than himself. If tomorrow he felt that declaring support for BLM would give him a better chance of staying in power, I believe he'd do it in a heartbeat without a modicum of guilt or any sense of hypocrisy.

But if we have big deficits doesn't that mean we should cut taxes on the rich to bring in more tax revenue? (Lucy yanks the ball away again).

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while I agree with you both.

I dont think people who in the past have been defending trump for "not being racists" have been also saying "Trump isnt racist he is just a sociopath"

However, with trump there has also been a REALLY long history of his targeting the black community. So I am not sure what the difference would be from being racist vs learning to amplify racisms for his own persona gain. You cant really ignore trump not wanting to lease to black tenants, the central park 5, "they dont look indian to me", blacks vs. whites apprentice, birtherism, good people on both sides,

So we would be left with "Trump is a sociopath who uses racism for his own personal gain."

People not voting for Trump, hate Trump. Let me tell you a story...

About 10 years ago, I had a customer who was my contact at a bank. We serviced 21 properties for them. I needed the account. It was too much money to ignore. My contact was an asshole. He made Trump look like a Boy Scout. I avoided him and spoke to him as least as possible. He often insulted me for no reason and always seemed to scream at me like an animal. He died. First person I honestly don’t care that he is gone. I would miss a stranger more than this jerk.

My new contact and I spoke. We talked about this man who died. We talked about how he was “difficult” as I didn’t use words that would jeopardize my relationship with the customer. She, my new contact, didn’t seem to care. She said she liked how he got things done. He always got things done. She shrugged off that he was a bully.

I don’t like to use the term Trump supporter. That’s like calling a Left-wing Democrat a communist. I will say Trump voter. Most Trump voters don’t like his flaws and don’t condone or support them. It’s embarrassing. However, Trump voters like how he gets things done.

Biden has zero plan an any plan he has is a mix of everyone around him. He isn’t a leader. That’s scary. I’ll take the asshole who gets things done.

Google Trumps accomplishments as President. The list is long. Amazing he could get anything done with the media and Democrat impeachment attempts gunning at him.

I’m a Trump voter. I don’t “like” Trump. He isn’t my friend. He isn’t coming to my house for dinner. I’m not a Trump “supporter”. But, Biden? Why, cuz he cares about you? That’s been the persona that I could care less about.

To answer the 2 questions I initially- I’m not changing my vote, but the debate was a shit show.

I just read one of the tragically stupid people I went high school with post on FB that trump interrupts because he never gets his full two minutes to speak. Wallace was biased against trump.


I read one person who wrote that Wallace is biased against Trump and that she believes Wallace gave the debate questions to Biden in advance to help him.

And she is serious.

I've often said that he isn't really racist because he isn't actually committed to the cause. But I have wavered in that opinion. He seems more dedicated all the time.

There is little doubt that he is more than willing to benefit from the association.

And it is telling that the racists think he is racist.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Of this long list, what would you say are your top 10?

Fair points. I go back and forth as well. I can't decide if racism and narcissism are complimentary to each other or mutually exclusive ideas.

I really can't tell why people keep saying that he has no plan:

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision

I googled “Trump’s accomplishments as president” as you suggested and there is a White House sourced list. You’re right, it’s quite long.

The NY Times fact-checked it here.

Many are trends or initiatives begun prior to his administration (yes, many under Obama), and many are legislative successes where really congress should take primary credit. Trump just signs them into law. Oh, and some are, as you can guess, false, or have been since overturned by a court.