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I asked my hubby, and he said:

1) The debate didn’t move him at all;
2) He could only watch about 5 minutes because it was so unpalatable. He disliked Trump’s interruptions and attention-seeking behavior. He said Biden looked just as bad because Biden kept talking.

He says he is 50/50 right now. He says he will vote for Biden if Barrett gets confirmed; Trump if she doesn’t. I told him about the question put to Trump to condemn white supremacy and Trump’s response. He was doubtful that I was accurately describing it to him. (I read the quotes from the thread here.) I asked him to read about it on Fox or CNN. He said he doesn’t have time to do a lot of research.

To be clear in my understanding, I asked him if he would vote for Trump even after seeing the 5 minutes of the debate. He said “yes.”

I asked him if he knows about Trump’s lawsuit to eliminate the ACA and coverage for pre-existing conditions. This should be a big deal for my hubby because he has cancer and saw a dentist on Monday who told him that his cancer will impact a lot of his future medical and dental care (as a pre-existing condition). I told him that an executive order by Trump purporting to continue coverage for pre-existing conditions has no teeth. There’s no mechanism for enforcement. He was noncommittal in his response to me.

My husband has b.s. in political science from CU, a masters in systems engineering from the naval college in Monterey, and an MBA from USC. I think he may have skipped a lot of classes or something.

People who want to vote for Trump will ignore reasons to not vote for Trump.

Thank you for that response. I think it’s going to be the best take we get on having insight into a Trump supporter’s mindset at this point in time.

Essentially, stick your head in the sand (turn off the TV, don’t have time to research, stay ignorant of actual facts...).

Thank you for your post.

A couple of years ago if you had posted this, there would have been 20 or so posters running to defend trump.

I think it’s at least good news that so few people are willing to muster a defense.

I guess I'll chime in here. Even though I decided not to vote Trump long before this debate... does that count?

Anyway..

1) Even though I am not voting Trump, Biden didn't exactly sway me to vote for him either. He wouldn't answer the court packing question. I want to know how and who is going to pay for his climate change plan. Biden would have been better off letting Trump hang himself when he started ranting. From what I saw last night my only thought was... this is the best candidates the country has to offer??

2) As per usual, Trump came off looking like the petulant child bully. It also raised mine and a lot of eyebrows in his response to the proud boys.

Im going to add a 3 if thats ok.

3) The one response that I thought Trump did a good job on was his response to the transition of power. Stating how he didn't have a transition with all the investigations etc. from the get go.

Anyway those are my main take aways from last night. Over all the whole debate wasnt much of a debate at all in my opinion..

Im going to be lazy here and limit my response to just this one post. I dont have the time or energy to debate what I wrote. It's my opinion and nothing anyone says on here will change it. :o)

oh - and just for Kay.. a stupid gif..

I don’t understand what your gif means or why you would insult Kay with it. Maybe it’s funny, but I don’t see the humor. I got no laughs.

It wasn't a great debate for Trump. Really wasn't great for either, but I think the bar is lower for Joe. To be fair, Romney smoked Obama in the first debate in 2012 and I doubt that moved many needles for people either. I think there's a history of the incumbent losing the first debate. The theory is they're too busy running the country and too cocky to think they'd lose. A little dose of reality usually does the trick.

Also, I'd like to see Trump call Joe out as a liar, because he certainly did lie. He flatly denounced the Green New Deal, which is featured prominently on his website.

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

In the 2012 VP debate, he went on this little rant about standing up on the Senate floor and saying that we couldn't afford to invade (Afghanistan or Iraq, can't remember which he said) and that it was a bad idea and he voted no. Ryan didn't call him on it, but Biden voted yes for Afganistan and Iraq. I'm not sure how you forget voting to declare war. These aren't little lies.

I think Trump needs to stick to accomplishments. There were definitely times where he should have talked about what he's done instead of attacking, specifically during the race and law enforcement sections. I feel he missed easy wins there. Every president has accomplishments, and I do think Joe is low on them, especially given his time in office. Or at least that the view of some of his accomplishments have done 180s, ie the crime bill and school busing.

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It doesn't mean anything. Kay can feel free to chime in but I am quite sure Kay knows I am not insulting him, nor trying to. Kay would expect nothing less than some corny gif from me...

See if he is not to busy to watch this one and half minutes of video.

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Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But you said you would only post once in this thread, which makes you now a liar, and so how can we believe anything you say?! 😜

Can you explain this one? The Obama administration did everything expected of an outgoing administration to ensure a smooth transition to the incoming transition. That the people in the incoming administration chose to ignore or not even engage in the transition is another story entirely.

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I can comment for my spouse and I. We are both ex-republicans. My wife was the President of the College Republicans and I was the Editor in Chief of the campus conservative newspaper. We both voted for Bush (well I did, she was too young), McCain, Romney. We actually invited George and Laura to our wedding, they sent a nice letter declining.

We were the picture of young compassionate conservatives who valued a steady hand at the helm and supported gradual, positive, change.

Then Trump happened. Both of us were really happy that Ted Cruz didn't get the nomination. We had both switch from being registered Republicans to registered Democrats around 2013 because we had moved to the city and we really didn't like the direction the Tea Party and Evangelicals were taking the Republican Party. We wanted to see John Kasich or Marco Rubio get the nomination. If that would have happened we would have probably given the Republicans another chance to redeem themselves and voted for their nominee. But again, Trump happened.

We could sense from the beginning that he was not compassionate, he wasn't a steady guiding hand, he didn't respect women (and we have two little girls), etc. He was everything we didn't want. Neither of us had a fondness for Hillary Clinton, but she was certainly qualified for the job and we had confidence that she didn't want to burn the system down, eat the rich, send them back or drain the swap. So we pulled the lever for Hillary. The first time we had ever voted for a Democratic candidate for POTUS in the general election.

Then the last 4 years happened...

Then last night happened...

Trump couldn't control himself. He couldn't stop his anger. I want to say that he is a racist -- but I do not feel that is an accurate description. To have hatred for another requires you to care about others in general. I have come to the conclusion that Trump is an opportunist, a narcissist, and basically a real honest-to-god sociopath/psychopath. I do not believe he has any feelings towards others and by virtue of that he can't be a racist. Trump is something worse.

My wife and I are still young. She is early 30's and I am mid 30's. The Republicans have turned us into activist moderate Democrats out of necessity. The Republican party feels so far gone that there is nothing left to fight for. We are now left bickering with the left-most wing of the Democratic party in battle to preserve the middle of American politics. I believe Biden's original platform is as close to the middle that we had on offer this election cycle. However, we are not lost, Republicans can win us back if they start putting forward better moderate candidates. A lot of better moderate candidates. It will take time, but they can win us back.

At the end of the day we want a steady guiding hand, someone who is compassionate, someone who can be respected by the rest of the world. Right now, that person is Joe Biden.

Exactly if there was a large group of black or hispanic militants going around causing problems and were pro-Trump he wouldn't have a bad word to say about them either.

1) No - I still prefer his policies to Biden's
2) Most of it.

You didn't ask,

Was there anything I liked about Biden's performance - No.

As a Trump hater -

1) was there anything you liked about his performance?
2) was there anything you didn't like about Biden's performance?

Policies? Are you fucking kidding? Choosing to support trump at this point because of his policies is like refusing to treat AIDS because you needed to lose a few pounds anyway.

just curious which of trump's policies do you like?

Your heads in the sand and you refuse to acknowledge the clusterfuck which is Trump.

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His policies like ignoring global warming, screwing up trade so badly that he's turned into a socialist doling out billions to farmers, cutting taxes for the rich (maybe this worked for you) despite a growing fiscal deficit, failing to adequately deal with Covid such that we have by far the most deaths (and counting), reducing environmental regulations to serve mineral resource companies, suing to have ACA repealed without any publicized replacement, ruining our relationships with our allies, withholding congressionally approved funding for our allies for his personal political gain, intentionally stoking racial divisions in our country, cozying up to Putin despite Russia's meddling in our elections and paying bounties for US soldiers...? Those policies?

Have you not recognized yet that Trump cares about one person only? He's even willing to have is supporters risk their lives at his rallies while himself staying socially distant.

Honestly, I don't know how you look yourself in the mirror.

Did I like anything about Trump's performance last night? Honestly no. There was nothing but insults and lies. Mostly lies he's told before, but so many lies. How can you be blind to that, or if not blind, then ok with it?

As for Biden's performance, if you look at the start of the Debate thread you'll see there was a lot I didn't like about Biden's performance. He missed great opportunities to hammer Trump, he fell into Trump's gutter a couple of times and he didn't command his time well enough. But he improved during the debate and ended strongly, which means he performed well above the very low bar Trump had set for him.

A good start on a could be a much longer list of policy failures. However, we have moved way past any actual concern for policy. The implosion of the GOP platform has been replaced by something more effective - tribal animosity.

Regarding the debate, there was almost nothing about Trump's performance that was acceptable. His few good answers were buried under an avalanche of pettiness. Biden critiques - He started slowly, and missed several opportunities to jab Trump. He was strongest when trying to speak to the American people. I am not sure that Biden's exasperation played poorly. If he had just rolled over, he would have been portrayed as weak.

I did notice on my Facebook feed (which I rarely peruse) that the staunch Trump supporters were acknowledging that Trump performed poorly in the debate and they were disappointed. They’re still voting Trump.

I'll answer for him because it's obvious:

• Discouraging oversight by attacking whistleblowers.
• Spending wildly even during a time of economic boom.
• Denying pandemics as a "Democrat hoax".
• Ignoring Russian bounties on the heads of American soldiers.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

The ones on my feed said Wallace favored Biden and did not acknowledge Trump did anything wrong. In most cases he was given a pass and then the "both sides" comments were made.

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Romney smoked Obama in the first debate in 2012 and I doubt that moved many needles for people either.


It moved the needle quite a bit.

https://www.pewresearch.org/...-erases-obamas-lead/