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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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https://earthroamer.com/hd/

Found this baby on FB, I really, really want one..Costs a real lottery winning ticket though, 1.7 million!!!


I'll take a converted high roof Ford Transit van with a 4x4 kit for $100,000 or the top of the line Sprinter Revel for $150,000.

In looking at the used inventory price, can you say depreciation!
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [summitt] [ In reply to ]
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I just did the math for just the weight of diesel, water, grey/black water and solar/battery storage. Add that up and that weighs more than my entire '83 VW Vanagon Westy. And I got solar. And 2x propane tanks. And 2x batteries.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Whoa, that thing is insane! Side note: I’m doing a lot of research into solar for boondocking. It’s not cheap but also not unreasonably expensive. It’s not easy but also not unreasonably difficult.

I'm putting 400W of solar panels and a 180 A-h lithium battery in a '74 Airstream (that is also getting basically a complete gut and all new mechanicals/appliances). I think the cost is still coming down but at the time, the four panels including controller, wiring, breakers and everything cost about $1000 Canadian and the battery (from an EV supplier in Utah) about $1500 Cdn. The math I did at the time suggested that even with a compressor based fridge drawing 5A at 1/3 duty cycle we should be able to go for quite a while.

What I find in practice, having had 200W of panels on the roof of our other trailer for several years now, is that you rarely get even half the advertised output. So a bit of overdesign won't hurt you if you have the room for it.

Don't get the flexible panels. Word on the street is they last about a year and then something breaks (it only takes one bad connection) and you have to replace it. Plus they're not as efficient as the rigid panels.

Less is more.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Only problem is that thing can only roam where wide roads have been constructed. It won't go anywhere on roads in forests that even BMW or Toyota SUV can go. You are not going to explore a forest service fire road in that thing. Of course you can tow a trailer with a Jeep or SUV and probably will want to tow something for convenient motoring when at destinations. But there are many nice RVs for much less that will do that.

But it looks awesome.

Why not? There's some heavily wooded places I've been in my truck that'd be too skinny for that beast (although it looks like the bedliner-ish 'paint' coating could withstand some decent brush scrubbing), but also plenty of forested access that's more open at higher elevations and even more open canyons in the high desert where it'd be awesome. Bigger issue in a few of those spots would be the length on tight switchbacks.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [summitt] [ In reply to ]
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summitt wrote:
monty wrote:
https://earthroamer.com/hd/

Found this baby on FB, I really, really want one..Costs a real lottery winning ticket though, 1.7 million!!!


I'll take a converted high roof Ford Transit van with a 4x4 kit for $100,000 or the top of the line Sprinter Revel for $150,000.

In looking at the used inventory price, can you say depreciation!

One of our friends has one of these that's super bad-ass; I've also seen variants outfitted for more self-contained camping...

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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [Big Endian] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know about the flexible panels. I knew about the lower efficiency but I did not know about the fragility. I was planning on covering every available inch in panels.... 1,500w+ on a class c or something of a similar size. Not having to worry about hookups is very appealing to me.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
H- wrote:
Only problem is that thing can only roam where wide roads have been constructed. It won't go anywhere on roads in forests that even BMW or Toyota SUV can go. You are not going to explore a forest service fire road in that thing. Of course you can tow a trailer with a Jeep or SUV and probably will want to tow something for convenient motoring when at destinations. But there are many nice RVs for much less that will do that.

But it looks awesome.


Why not? There's some heavily wooded places I've been in my truck that'd be too skinny for that beast (although it looks like the bedliner-ish 'paint' coating could withstand some decent brush scrubbing), but also plenty of forested access that's more open at higher elevations and even more open canyons in the high desert where it'd be awesome. Bigger issue in a few of those spots would be the length on tight switchbacks.

You answered your own question. Would you explore a road with that thing? If it gets tight or there is a switchback you can't navigate, you could be going in reverse for miles before you can turn it around. It is great for wide known dirt roads. Most of the time it will only go and park where standard RVs also go.

One area where it will shine is snow covered highways.

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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely I'd take that sucker all over the place; the added size/bulk would give me utterly zero pause worrying about not being able to go wherever, and the few trouble spots it can't go are few & far between. I do the same open-ended exploring shit now in my Tundra ~ sure, there are places I get turned around that I coulda squeezed through in my old smaller Tacoma, but only very rarely and there are also plenty more places where the larger footprint, clearance, power, etc, are an advantage; meanwhile, it's nice having more hauling capacity for camping and all 100% of the time. This would just be another step up from that w/ essentially the same trade-offs only amplified a bit more.

The only real drawbacks in my mind would be the space taken up for storage/parking when not in use and the exorbitant fuel expense, but obviously that's just the regular me talking since anyone who could afford the initial price tag wouldn't worry about the cost of gas, and would have a whole separate hangar for all the extra toys like that.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Only problem is that thing can only roam where wide roads have been constructed. It won't go anywhere on roads in forests that even BMW or Toyota SUV can go. You are not going to explore a forest service fire road in that thing.//

When I see rigs like this, I never think about windy, narrow, mountain roads. My visualization goes straight to Baja Mexico, and how the rig would just crush most of that part of the world. For me it is deserts and beaches, of which Baja is both, all wrapped up in a nice little country setting...


But the only way I ever get one of those, is if 1.7 million suddenly is like 5 grand to me now..
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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When I see rigs like this, I never think about windy, narrow, mountain roads. My visualization goes straight to Baja Mexico, and how the rig would just crush most of that part of the world. For me it is deserts and beaches, of which Baja is both, all wrapped up in a nice little country setting...


Oh, yes. My dream trip to Baja has THAT as support and living vehicle and a couple Suzuki DR-Z400s (or similar) for whipping around. Maybe substitute my CX bikes for the motos.

However, I have one concern. In sand, weight is your enemy and that thing is heavy. I'm afraid it will dig itself down. One of my favorite youtube channels is Matt's Towing and Recovery. He has explained that light weight is the key to staying on top of the sand.

Here in Alabama, and elsewhere on forested east cost, my 4x4 Suburban is pushing it in terms of size on some mountain roads. No way would I take that thing down a unknown fire road on the East Coast. I hate backing up long distances.

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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [H-] [ In reply to ]
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That's a crazy pull out, what the hell was that guy thinking bringing a 5th wheel onto that road in the first place! But those are very similar roads that I drive in Baja, and that RV would handle those with no problem at all. This guy got screwed because he was pulling all that weight on wheels that could not drive. I used to take my old 27ft Class C onto roads like that, two wheel with dually. It did really great, except for steep washouts where you would get high sided on the way up the other side. Had to stack a couple feet of wood under rear wheels, the jack the bumper off the dirt, and then just drive like hell off the wood blocks!!

Thanks for posting, of course I could not stop watching it til the end. When you have done your share of digging and pulling, kind of a relief to just watch someone else clear their problems...
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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You know what you're doing. As Matt has explained in his videos, most of his customers are tourists who don't know how to self-extricate.

That Cherokee is called the "Little Yellow Banana" because, one customer, with a big truck and 5th wheel was dumbfounded when Matt pulled up, and he said something like, "you think that little yellow banana is going to pull me out." Well it did.

Matt has said that in addition to his light weight truck, his other secret is using kinetic recovery ropes (KRR). I've bought a cheap for both my son's jeep and mine. I bought cheap because the complaint about the cheap ones was that the outside frays quickly. We've never used them so I think cheap is fine for insurance purposes. The more expensive ones have outer coating that resists fraying from repeated use.

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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Weight is not an issue in sand


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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
Weight is not an issue in sand


Awesome video. But are you saying that physics don't apply in sand? Is not driving in sand about flotation -- weight per contact patch area?

Not all sand is the same. Dakar race trucks are careful about the routes they take and avoid softer sand dunes that will get them stuck.



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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a model that's more budget friendly....

Perks and Recreation: These $400,000 RVs Are Built for ‘Overlanding’High-end custom-built RVs have the power to drive you far off the grid and the technology to keep you comfortable. Dan Neil takes the EarthCruiser FX through the Nevada desert.

CRUISER CONTROL The flat-nosed FX isn’t a looker, but the beast can take amateur adventurers nearly anywhere PHOTO: TONY SEARS FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

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Dan Neil
Dec. 20, 2019 10:17 am ET

IT’S WELL KNOWN that RV salesmen live lives of high adventure. Consider the case of Don Smith, the newly hired representative for EarthCruiser out of Bend, Ore. Last week, the gods that toy with salesmen’s fates decreed that Mr. Smith, 51, be dispatched from Chicago to Las Vegas to take a reporter and photographer, and the photographer’s damn dog, into the Nevada bush for an overnight camp.
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Just like that, Mr. Smith found himself far into red-rock canyon country, the Logandale Trails OHV area, sharing bourbon and moonlight with two men and a 45-pound Vizsla, in a slightly used, still-formidable EarthCruiser FX expedition vehicle.
The term “overlanding” covers a lot of ground. In its basic and most accessible form, it’s camping out of the back, or on top, of a 4x4, a jeep, a pickup truck, with enough liquid provisions (fuel, water, beer) to spend the weekend off-grid. Let’s say you’re in for $25,000. Kick that up a notch and you will find a product category of overlanding campers, designed to ride on heavy-duty pickup chassis and capable of supporting amenities like a comfy bed (usually over the cab), a galley, hot water and shower. You could comfortably venture off grid for several days. Now you might be looking at $100,000, including heavy-duty pickup trucks; still, that’s a lot of backcountry recreating for the money.
‘These custom-built expedition machines speak to well-heeled, bucket-list buyers seeking adventure.’
But let’s say you wanted to spend more, a lot more. That would bring you to a small number of independent manufacturers of custom-built expedition machines, super RVs, such as FX ($399,000 new, $250,000 as tested). Designed for maximum self-sufficiency, in all climates and terrains, with effectively hundreds of miles of range, these machines speak to well-heeled, bucket-list buyers seeking adventure. I suggest they start by using the head while a Vizsla is watching.
Looking very much like a habitable Yeti cooler, the FX is based on a Mitsubishi Fuso medium-duty truck chassis—a “cabover” design in which the face of the vehicle is flat and the driver’s seat is positioned over the left wheel. The Fuso’s layout makes the FX (21.4 feet long, 10 feet high, 6.75 feet wide) surprisingly maneuverable in the badlands, with sort-of amazing turning radius, 10-inch ground clearance, and a commanding view of the trail.
And because it carries up to 140 gallons of water and fuel in underslung tanks, the FX’s roll-over-angle is quite high, but Mr. Smith encourages me not to investigate.

On the Roam AgainThese $400,000 RVs are built for high-end, comfortable adventures. Bring the dog.










The EarthCruiser FX is an expedition RV, built on a Mitsubishi Fuso cabover truck that has been augmented with a heavy-duty front drive axle and 4x4 running gear.
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Steadily, pachydermically, with its small turbo-diesel occasionally bawling with the effort, our 2017-model-year FX lumbered up several miles of axle-busting trail to take up residence in a narrow arroyo between sandstone escarpments that were, coincidentally, Vizsla-colored. Sure is quiet, now that we stopped making so much noise.
Mr. Smith had overcome several difficulties in the previous 24 hours, including navigating the valet stand at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where they don’t see many whitewashed SWAT vehicles. But now, with the FX parked, windows glowing and side canopies deployed, he faced a critical shortage of ambience. The firewood he bought at a roadside stand would not light. Being a good salesman, and knowing he was on the spot for a campfire, Mr. Smith improvised brilliantly, soaking a roll of paper towels in diesel fuel.
No good. He looked dejectedly at the fire pit. “It won’t burn,” he said. “They should make boats of this stuff.”
How did Mr. Smith get mixed up in all this? Born 30 miles from Elkhart, Ind., the RV manufacturing center of the world, Mr. Smith spent nearly 30 years fixing and selling these things. Then his inner quality-control angels spoke to him: “I couldn’t take it, I couldn’t do it anymore. Most RVs are just junk.”
When he met founder Lance Gillies, Mr. Smith said he was interviewing his would-be boss, too. “He said he’d only change a part or a design to make it better, never to make it cheaper.” Mr. Smith signed on.

PHOTO: TONY SEARS FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Unfortunately, Mr. Gillies was not available for comment because, according to Mr. Smith, he is currently off-roading in Borneo, attempting to follow the exact line of the equator. As one does.
Why are these things so stupid expensive? I asked respectfully, warming my hands by the paper towels. Mr. Smith explained the biggest difference between expedition vehicles and typical RVs is the use of marine-grade materials, equipment and appliances—literally, land yachts. The FX’s distinctive, thermos-like skin is a thick sandwich composite of an insulating layer and a material like gel coat, widely used in boat construction. The cabinetry is milled out of King StarBoard, a marine-grade high-density polyethylene. “There is not a bit of wood in it,” Mr. Smith said.
The FX’s impressive control panel would be typical of large boats, including the circuit-breaker panel for auxiliary systems such as lights, water pump, hot-water heater, as well as status panels for water, battery, and waste reserves. Our FX, using a now-discontinued diesel engine, was equipped with a diesel-fueled cooktop, upon which the kindly Mr. Smith cooked us bacon and eggs. The next model, with a gasoline engine, will use an induction cooktop. Has anyone seen the paper towels?
And on we sailed, through the night. In case you are interested in the sleeping arrangements. Mr. Smith took the forward bunk, converted from a dinette table. Whiskey the Vizsla slept on the double bunk in the back, between my friend Tony and myself, only stirring now and then to step on my face and gunny sack.

On the Roam Again
It’s true that with a little planning and the right provisions, one can venture off-grid for days, eating simply and sleeping in a roof tent above a 4x4 pickup. But with a little more planning—estate planning—you can spend weeks or years in one of several audacious, seven-figure expedition vehicles on the market. Now wouldn’t that be more comfortable?
“An EarthRoamer is a solar-powered, luxury condo on wheels,” said Bill Swails, CEO and founder of EarthRoamer, an extreme RV company near Denver. Mr. Swails, 58, retired from the aerospace and telecom industries in the 1990s to pursue his dream of becoming an outdoor photographer, roaming wide and living out of his own custom-built camper. People seemed to have liked it. By 2002, Mr. Swails had designed his first commercial offering. EarthRoamer has since built 258 extreme campers and RV’s.
The company’s current lineup includes the prodigious HD expedition vehicle—a term of art meaning it is self-reliant over long distances, in all kinds of weather, and nearly any terrain. The HD ($1.8 million, bespoke and fully equipped) uses a Ford F-750 commercial truck chassis, modified with a heavy-duty solid front axle and 4x4 transfer case. Powered by a 6.7-liter, 330-hp turbo diesel V8 paired with a six-speed automatic, and carrying up to 115 gallons of diesel aboard, the HD has a range of about 800 miles.
Other capacities: 250 gallons of fresh water, 125 gallons for gray and 125 for black water; and a 20 kWh lithium battery, backed by a maximum 2.1-kW solar array.
All this spells big: The HD is 35 feet long, 8.5-feet wide, and 13.2 feet tall—tall enough to have newbies ducking involuntarily at overpasses. And, fully laden, the HD is seriously heavy, with a GVWR of 38,000 pounds. It might be comfortable in the bush, but what about the interstate?
Michael Van Pelt is another explorer turned RV entrepreneur. The native Arizonian started Global Expedition Vehicles, of Springfield, Mo., only after building his own, no-compromise prototype in 2005, inspired by images he saw in National Geographic in the 1980s of a Mercedes Unimog plowing through sand dunes.
Mr. Van Pelt’s overlanding ethos required that his vehicle have exceptional range, able to remain off-grid for days —“to get rid of the umbilical cord,” as he writes in his corporate memoir. GXV’s current flagship, the UXV-MAX ($650,000 base price), can stay at sea for weeks, with up to 300 gallons of diesel fuel and 200 gallons of water, depending on chassis. Not to mention the to-order upfits such as a washer/dryer, king-size bed, drinking water filtration system, and home theater.
The UXV-MAX even has its own gas station, an optional 75-gallon tank to refill any motorcycles or ATVs stored in rear-accessed “garage.”
Just in case you want to get away from it all.
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Re: The Ultimate RV, here you go GreenPlease!!! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Monty, if you haven't bought an Earthroamer yet, here's a video with summaries of about ten such vehicles, some cheaper and some more expensive. True land yachts these things:



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