Two and half weeks from 2019 Muskoka 70.3, and it would seem that the run elevation map that is posted on the Ironman website has not been updated to reflect this year's run course. Not sure I want to see a run course profile given the large hill on Old Muskoka Road about one km from the turnaround.
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Scott_B]
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I wonder why they changed the run course. I enjoyed it last year. On mapmyrun, it looks like you climb slowly from 950 ft @ mile 2.75 to 1100 ft @ mile 5.50, then bomb down the hill to the turnaround. Coming back, it's a 150 ft climb with 8-9% max grade for under a half mile, then a steady decline back into town. Looks like a doosie but a quick finish.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Scott_B]
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [stevej]
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The course map looks correct, however, the elevation map is definitely wrong. When I mapped this year run course I got 967 feet (295 m) of elevation gain or about 2-1/2 times the elevation gain shown on the posted elevation map.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Scott_B]
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Conky]
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Conky wrote:
I wonder why they changed the run course. I enjoyed it last year. On mapmyrun, it looks like you climb slowly from 950 ft @ mile 2.75 to 1100 ft @ mile 5.50, then bomb down the hill to the turnaround. Coming back, it's a 150 ft climb with 8-9% max grade for under a half mile, then a steady decline back into town. Looks like a doosie but a quick finish.lol looking at Google Maps that's a ski hill. I actually vaguely remember there being one around there.
Oh well. I've got two weeks to train on our local ski hill here. Maybe I should start doing that. I didn't pay attention and assumed the run was similar to last year.
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Richard Blaine]
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Richard Blaine wrote:
Conky wrote:
I wonder why they changed the run course. I enjoyed it last year. On mapmyrun, it looks like you climb slowly from 950 ft @ mile 2.75 to 1100 ft @ mile 5.50, then bomb down the hill to the turnaround. Coming back, it's a 150 ft climb with 8-9% max grade for under a half mile, then a steady decline back into town. Looks like a doosie but a quick finish.lol looking at Google Maps that's a ski hill. I actually vaguely remember there being one around there.
Oh well. I've got two weeks to train on our local ski hill here. Maybe I should start doing that. I didn't pay attention and assumed the run was similar to last year.
Here's the bad boy: https://www.strava.com/segments/5187061
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Richard Blaine]
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If the email is correct, they emailed us a few months back with the updated run course which is different then what’s online. According to it we don’t actually run this far, we turn around where there’s the loop in the road just before.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [amckenzie]
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I remember getting that e-mail. I believe that run course was later updated to the one currently on the Ironman website.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [amckenzie]
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It would be nice to know which is the actual course as the one in the athlete guide has the “ski hill” which is at the turnaround. It will be a killer , we ran it yesterday not fun !
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Jimeh]
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He's a decent elevation profile from Strava. Hill looks nasty!
https://www.strava.com/routes/19733444
https://www.strava.com/routes/19733444
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [drluke12]
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Not sure why people keep to support Ironman events with this type of lackadaisical organization.
This has been a sold out event for weeks and a key tourism driver for the Muskoka region.
Maps should be updated and finalized by Ironman before registration even opens for an event costing upwards of $300. Sure it's easy enough to map a route on Strava but that's not the point.
Athletes deserve better in this era of FOMO tiered registration pricing.
This has been a sold out event for weeks and a key tourism driver for the Muskoka region.
Maps should be updated and finalized by Ironman before registration even opens for an event costing upwards of $300. Sure it's easy enough to map a route on Strava but that's not the point.
Athletes deserve better in this era of FOMO tiered registration pricing.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [writersblock12]
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Not sure why people keep to support Ironman events with this type of lackadaisical organization. This has been a sold out event for weeks and a key tourism driver for the Muskoka region.
Maps should be updated and finalized by Ironman before registration even opens for an event costing upwards of $300. Sure it's easy enough to map a route on Strava but that's not the point.
Athletes deserve better in this era of FOMO tiered registration pricing.
You obviously have never tried to wrangle a permit out of an Ontario jurisdiction.
Between NIMBYism and the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) taking their sweet time you're sometimes happy to have a finalized course 2-3 weeks before your event, which you have been working on for a year or more. And I think a high-profile, big race will only give longer delays, not shorter.
And whining about the $300 is getting old. People have been doing that here since at least when I signed up in 2010.
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [drluke12]
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He's a decent elevation profile from Strava. Hill looks nasty! https://www.strava.com/routes/19733444
Same elevation over double the distance of Horror Hill on Wilmot Line. So bad, but not overly nasty.
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Scott_B]
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The bike and run elevation profiles have been removed from the Ironman site. Hopefully the correct profiles will be posted soon.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Richard Blaine]
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Richard Blaine wrote:
writersblock12 wrote:
Not sure why people keep to support Ironman events with this type of lackadaisical organization. This has been a sold out event for weeks and a key tourism driver for the Muskoka region.
Maps should be updated and finalized by Ironman before registration even opens for an event costing upwards of $300. Sure it's easy enough to map a route on Strava but that's not the point.
Athletes deserve better in this era of FOMO tiered registration pricing.
You obviously have never tried to wrangle a permit out of an Ontario jurisdiction.
Between NIMBYism and the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) taking their sweet time you're sometimes happy to have a finalized course 2-3 weeks before your event, which you have been working on for a year or more. And I think a high-profile, big race will only give longer delays, not shorter.
And whining about the $300 is getting old. People have been doing that here since at least when I signed up in 2010.
This... it would be easy to post a map early, but it likely would be revised multiple times as you go through the necessary negotiations with the municipalities and and police to get it sorted, and then may change further if there's active construction on the course... At many other Ontario events, there are course changes week of, or even on race morning, when you finally get approvals, or you notice construction making the planned course unsafe... Because of the value for tourism, there's no risk of the race not happening, it's just where exactly the course goes... There's been more volatility on the course since the central venue moved into huntsville proper, from the Deerhurst, because there's more residents/businesses in play to whine about access being blocked...
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Trauma]
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https://triathlonmagazine.ca/...-muskoka-run-course/
Decent summary. Not overly nasty, reminds me a bit of 2017 Worlds in Chattanooga, although a bit more spread out. Chattanooga was back to back, twice (in town, about 2/3 into each loop), this seems a bit more spread out. I'm more worried about the lack of shade - forecast predicts a very sunny day, although not "that" hot (26C / 79F).
Decent summary. Not overly nasty, reminds me a bit of 2017 Worlds in Chattanooga, although a bit more spread out. Chattanooga was back to back, twice (in town, about 2/3 into each loop), this seems a bit more spread out. I'm more worried about the lack of shade - forecast predicts a very sunny day, although not "that" hot (26C / 79F).
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [lordhong]
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Thank you for posting. Hopefully the race organisers will not skimp on aid stations including ice. Hilly or flat, hot or cool, the run is still going to suck hairy donkey balls.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [lordhong]
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Given the hot/sunny days and warm nights this week, I think I will be packing a swimskin along with sleeved and sleeveless wetsuits. I roasted in the swim last year in a full wetsuit when the water temperature squeaked under the wetsuit threshold. If it's anywhere close this year I'm going with a sleeveless wetsuit.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [Scott_B]
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Does anyone know where the water temp is at these days? This spring was much cooler and wet than last year, so I suspect it is lower that last year even with the past week or so of warm temperatures.
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [McNabb]
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someone posted this in the facebook group..not sure about temperature...
"Water has mega warmed up. Swam at camp kitchen into fairy today at 5:30 am and had to let water into my wetsuit it was so warm! Enjoy sunday! It'll be gorgeous!"
"Water has mega warmed up. Swam at camp kitchen into fairy today at 5:30 am and had to let water into my wetsuit it was so warm! Enjoy sunday! It'll be gorgeous!"
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [lordhong]
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I drove the run course today.... People aren”t going to be happy with the change. Shitty road surface, the course takes you out into the middle of nowhere, and yeah it’s hilly. I’d rather have the run back to Deerhurst!
Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [DrunkIrishman]
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DrunkIrishman wrote:
I drove the run course today.... People aren”t going to be happy with the change. Shitty road surface, the course takes you out into the middle of nowhere, and yeah it’s hilly. I’d rather have the run back to Deerhurst!Suck it up, buttercup. It's Muskoka. Of course it's going to be hilly.
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Re: 2019 Muskoka 70.3 Run Course [DrunkIrishman]
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I was a naysayer in my previous post...
The run wasn’t too bad... Yes, hilly. Road conditions weren’t great, but were they weren’t great there wasn’t (almost no existent) traffic, so you could find good road to run on. Two negatives though... you are literally running to nowhere, nothing scenic, no crowd support... and running with traffic once you come back on to the road back to town, extremely tight with traffic.
The biggest plus was the ample aid stations, there were a lot! And running back into town was all downhill.
This was my forth straight year racing here. I’m definitely coming back for my fifth!
The run wasn’t too bad... Yes, hilly. Road conditions weren’t great, but were they weren’t great there wasn’t (almost no existent) traffic, so you could find good road to run on. Two negatives though... you are literally running to nowhere, nothing scenic, no crowd support... and running with traffic once you come back on to the road back to town, extremely tight with traffic.
The biggest plus was the ample aid stations, there were a lot! And running back into town was all downhill.
This was my forth straight year racing here. I’m definitely coming back for my fifth!
DrunkIrishman wrote:
I was a naysayer in my previous post... The run wasn’t too bad... Yes, hilly. Road conditions weren’t great, but were they weren’t great there wasn’t (almost no existent) traffic, so you could find good road to run on. Two negatives though... you are literally running to nowhere, nothing scenic, no crowd support... and running with traffic once you come back on to the road back to town, extremely tight with traffic.
The biggest plus was the ample aid stations, there were a lot! And running back into town was all downhill.
This was my forth straight year racing here. I’m definitely coming back for my fifth!
Well, running back into town was almost all downhill. Agree on the other comments. That run is now boring as all heck. Once out of town, it's all mental focus and very little distractions (and shade) for that matter. That could have been ugly if the run took place two days earlier. It's certainly reverting back to the run of earlier years which was much more challenging. That hill at 13K is no joke (down or up). Logistically, this run course is likely much easier on the local town folk, so I would expect they will continue with this for a while. I must say, running back into town was strange. There was absolutely no room for runners to be running both ways in the "runners lane" as one cop called it. So I found myself dodging incoming runners and cars. Congrats to all finishers. That course is legit....even if for some odd reason they pulled the bike turnaround point about 750m closer. This year I had it at 88.3K? Hard to mess up a 90K out and back where there is lot's of road to make it bang on.