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Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough?
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So my son made it to the last cut day for his school's basketball team.

He still wanted to play hoops at something a bit more competitive than rec league so he and a few other kids who "almost" made the school team decided to join a local league run by a local organization that has a reputation for putting on a good quality and competitive league. Registration is not cheap. Somewhere between rec league and AAU prices. So my son gets on a team with a few of his friends and a couple of random kids to fill out the roster. They are actually a pretty decent team with some good players.

So things started to go sideways right before team practices begin:

First, we get an email saying they don't have enough coaches and need parent volunteers. It was kind of an off-putting email and kind of sounded like the league was a shit show in the making. Um, not what we signed up for but shit happens. Thankfully, one of the dads for my kid's team played hoops in college and volunteered to coach.

Second, they hold a mandatory practice for all players that also doubled as a "draft" to place the players not yet on a team. Great but they send the email the morning of said practice with no prior notice. Major problem being that a couple of the schools, which make up most of the players in the league, had major events that evening so many of the kids couldn't make it to the practice. Apparently, the turnout was bad. Had they sent out the email a week or two in advance they would have known of the scheduling conflict.

Third, there were originally supposed to be two leagues. An elite/AAU level league and then the everyone else league that would include my son's team. They ended up not having enough teams for two leagues so they put the three elite teams in the same league as the "regular joe" teams. That was unbeknownst to most everyone. We show up for the first game on Saturday and we notice the team my son was playing against were wearing custom uniforms and not the league uniform. My son's coach informs us about the elite teams now in the league. As I said, my son's team is actually pretty decent all things considered. They lost 65-14 in a 24 minute game (four quarters at six minutes each). The worst player on the other team would easily be the best player on my son's team. The other team even pulled back a lot in the second half and it was still that ugly. That's how much of a talent gap there was. It was absurd.

There are eight teams in the league. The three elite teams won their games by 51, 40, and 38 against three regular joe teams. 65-14, 54-14, and 55-17. The one game with just two regular joe teams was decided by two points at 32-30. They play each team twice so the five regular joe teams are going to get destroyed six times each by the elite teams. Where's the fun in any of this for the kids? Tonight we play another elite team that won the first game 55-17.

I was ready to bail on the league once I got the email about not having enough coaches but my son has four or five friends on the team so it wouldn't be cool. Had this been a total random team I would have asked for a refund and went back to a rec league. I guess we'll stick it out since he has friends on the team, including the coach's kid, but this is going to be a real drag.

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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like the Adult rec hockey league I used to play in. There were usually 3 great teams and 5 mediocre teams. Our goal was always to make a good showing in the Consolation playoffs. One year we made it to the real playoffs. We somehow won our first game, which I think really pissed the good team off. They hammered us in the second game. And we were out.

We might have won the consolation playoffs that year. You never wanted to come 4th over all.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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They should just reshuffle the teams.

I feel bad for your kid. I was on both ends playing on a school team that would get smoked in tournaments playing AAU travel teams and then being on a AAU team that smoked school teams at other "bigger tournaments."

If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I have two thoughts.

#1) You can take the beating and hope someone has an off night and steal a game

B) These opportunities to show that in sports some teams are just better and you have to find a way to mentally put that aside.

With that, when you are against a team that far advanced try new game plans. Slow the pace down, speed the game up, hack a shaq. You have nothing to lose.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them

I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them

I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?

Stalling tactic basically you put a man in each corner and one at the top of the key and play keep away for the whole game
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them

I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?

Stalling tactic basically you put a man in each corner and one at the top of the key and play keep away for the whole game

I see. If that was hockey it would likely incite a brawl.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:

If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them


I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?


Stalling tactic basically you put a man in each corner and one at the top of the key and play keep away for the whole game


I see. If that was hockey it would likely incite a brawl.

In hockey everything is brawl worthy.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them

I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?

Stalling tactic basically you put a man in each corner and one at the top of the key and play keep away for the whole game

I see. If that was hockey it would likely incite a brawl.

Even though hockey players have evolved to survive with missing teeth?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:
BLeP wrote:
windywave wrote:

If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them


I never played basketball and only watch it on occasion. What does this mean?


Stalling tactic basically you put a man in each corner and one at the top of the key and play keep away for the whole game


I see. If that was hockey it would likely incite a brawl.


Even though hockey players have evolved to survive with missing teeth?

Some of us are smart enough to wear a full face shield.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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That is rough, my wife plays rec league basketball. Last year her team didn't play because there wasn't enough women teams for two leagues so the city consolidated it to one. They figured it wasn't fun for anyone if most of their games were clobbering opponents by 20-30 points so they took a year off. This year there is only one league but they seem to be all competitive, not sure if poor teams backed out or what.

Any chance you can talk to the local organization and see if you can provide some input and organization for future years? Sounds like 50% of the league isn't going to be happy with what happen.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:


If there's no shot clock go 4 corners on them

There isn't a shot clock so that might be the only option going forward against the AAU teams. That stated, nobody knew there would be three AAU teams in the league so my son's team hasn't practiced four corners. So tonight's game will be another shit show. My guess is the five coaches of the regular teams are going to start conspiring.

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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Honestly that league would have been better off if they just had the three advanced teams play each other. If they had planned ahead, they could have shuffled the teams BEFORE the teams were set.

FWIW, I was a varsity boys basketball coach for one season. It was enough to turn me off of the sport for good.

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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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BarryP wrote:
Honestly that league would have been better off if they just had the three advanced teams play each other. If they had planned ahead, they could have shuffled the teams BEFORE the teams were set.

FWIW, I was a varsity boys basketball coach for one season. It was enough to turn me off of the sport for good.

Didn't like wearing short shorts, aversion to dry erase pen, or the little bastards wouldn't listen to you?
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For me it was the "parents" .. specifically of the teams we beat.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
BarryP wrote:
Honestly that league would have been better off if they just had the three advanced teams play each other. If they had planned ahead, they could have shuffled the teams BEFORE the teams were set.

FWIW, I was a varsity boys basketball coach for one season. It was enough to turn me off of the sport for good.


Didn't like wearing short shorts, aversion to dry erase pen, or the little bastards wouldn't listen to you?

The blackout nights got to him after a while.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Read this story from Malcolm Gladwell and then go full court press all the time!
You're welcome….

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Last edited by: atkid: Jan 22, 19 18:21
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Down 21-6 after first quarter. 🙄

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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
Down 21-6 after first quarter. 🙄

Hack a Shaq them
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Man, I know the struggle here. My 8 year old son is on the C team for a U-9 travel soccer club. Yup, the C team.

We went to a tournament 2.5 hours away & 3 of the 6 U-9 teams were from our club. First game we played the A team from our club, lost 26-0, and they basically just played keep away against us most of the game. That tournament cost us the travel, meals, a $250 hotel room, and 2 days of my weekend. We scored 1 goal all season. I shudder to think of the total cost, knowing what the tournament alone was and his ~$250 in uniforms and shoes and the pricey embroidered soccer backpack Mrs. MWR just had to buy. Maybe a $1250 goal? And it still continues, as he’s playing indoor over the winter, practices with the travel club, wife paid for other lessons, and has fitness workouts. To date his teams are 0-17. This crap us costing us tons of evenings and money....FOR A C TEAM!!

When do I pull the plug on it, sign him up for painting & photography lessons (both things he’s truly talented at and enjoys) or coding lessons? When I decide it’s time to tell Mrs. MWR to stop living her failed childhood dreams through the boy & risk her eternal wrath. I ain’t yet strong enough for that battle!
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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MidwestRoadie wrote:
Man, I know the struggle here. My 8 year old son is on the C team for a U-9 travel soccer club. Yup, the C team.

We went to a tournament 2.5 hours away & 3 of the 6 U-9 teams were from our club. First game we played the A team from our club, lost 26-0, and they basically just played keep away against us most of the game. That tournament cost us the travel, meals, a $250 hotel room, and 2 days of my weekend. We scored 1 goal all season. I shudder to think of the total cost, knowing what the tournament alone was and his ~$250 in uniforms and shoes and the pricey embroidered soccer backpack Mrs. MWR just had to buy. Maybe a $1250 goal? And it still continues, as he’s playing indoor over the winter, practices with the travel club, wife paid for other lessons, and has fitness workouts. To date his teams are 0-17. This crap us costing us tons of evenings and money....FOR A C TEAM!!

When do I pull the plug on it, sign him up for painting & photography lessons (both things he’s truly talented at and enjoys) or coding lessons? When I decide it’s time to tell Mrs. MWR to stop living her failed childhood dreams through the boy & risk her eternal wrath. I ain’t yet strong enough for that battle!

Is there not a house League you can put him in?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know how this could have turned out worse. The elite team kids will be bored, and the average Joe's are going to be demoralized.
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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The indoor team he’s on for the winter is a house team, but they’re also being pitted against strong travel teams. After being down 8-0 in 7 minutes a couple of weeks ago, the other team played 2 down...still won 17-2. Aside from that, outdoor around here is only travel teams, AYSO until 9 or 10 but Mrs MWR is having none of that, then school teams starting in 6th or 7th grade. I went to his practice last night and couldn’t tell if it was him trying to kick the ball or a house cat batting at it...something I can say about all of the kids on his team.

I’m pretty sure she’s just trying to relive her glory years of playing through year 2 of uni. And I’m gritting my teeth the whole damn time!


BLeP wrote:
MidwestRoadie wrote:
Man, I know the struggle here. My 8 year old son is on the C team for a U-9 travel soccer club. Yup, the C team.

We went to a tournament 2.5 hours away & 3 of the 6 U-9 teams were from our club. First game we played the A team from our club, lost 26-0, and they basically just played keep away against us most of the game. That tournament cost us the travel, meals, a $250 hotel room, and 2 days of my weekend. We scored 1 goal all season. I shudder to think of the total cost, knowing what the tournament alone was and his ~$250 in uniforms and shoes and the pricey embroidered soccer backpack Mrs. MWR just had to buy. Maybe a $1250 goal? And it still continues, as he’s playing indoor over the winter, practices with the travel club, wife paid for other lessons, and has fitness workouts. To date his teams are 0-17. This crap us costing us tons of evenings and money....FOR A C TEAM!!

When do I pull the plug on it, sign him up for painting & photography lessons (both things he’s truly talented at and enjoys) or coding lessons? When I decide it’s time to tell Mrs. MWR to stop living her failed childhood dreams through the boy & risk her eternal wrath. I ain’t yet strong enough for that battle!

Is there not a house League you can put him in?
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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Perseus wrote:
I don't know how this could have turned out worse. The elite team kids will be bored, and the average Joe's are going to be demoralized.

Pretty much.

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Re: Bailing on a youth sports league. When do you finally say enough? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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That sucks. Not the elite teams fault. Not the lower teams fault. Probably the leagues fault for being overzealous on what they thought they could bring in.
I’ve coached beginner level hoops. And I’ve coached a team with 1 ringer and 6 other kids. In a league where everyone had 1 or 2 ringers and a bunch of traffic cones.

It’s shitty basketball at the youth level, but a zone defense might help. If the elite teams are playing a zone against your team, you should whip the ass of the opposing coach in the parking lot.

Every kid gets 5 fouls. Make sure they use them.
Keep the offense simple. At practice focus on dribbling, layups and 12 foot jumpers. Teach them to box out and recognize how a missed shot might bounce. Learning how to jump stop and pivot will help a lot too.
Pick and roll is your friend. Get good at it on the ball and off of the ball.
Tell your kids to shoot the ball whenever they are open inside of 15 feet. If you are in the paint, try to shoot or Fake a shot and go up strong. Hope for a foul.
How are teams scoring 50+ points? Fast break? Shooting 3s? Full court press? Getting offensive rebounds on every miss?
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