Can anyone on here truly look themselves in the mirror and say they've never drafted?

Sorry long day. Fixed it.

This idea reminds me of golf:

https://www.google.com/...ules-infraction-golf

Wasn’t a good look for golf so they changed it up:

https://www.google.com/...luencing-events/amp/


Probably wouldn’t be a good idea for triathlon either.

I really need to improve my aero - for the hardy Northbound segment - I am 17 sec slower on 70w higher... !

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Just make drafting legal for ironman races.

Maybe this will help. Maybe... "Although an incorrect tense of awake, a reference to how people should be aware in current affairs."

Thanks Urban Dictionary.

Looks like it had been removed? Can't see it.

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http://www.sfuelsgolonger.com

Looks like it was deleted after he got flack on twitter about riding on Hardy road with 150 watts... he did defend himself but still removed the file. I guess I too could've finished 5th AG in M30-34 on those watts... Maybe next year!

I saw another strava from a front end AG, 24.9mph@179Watts.. He does not weigh 100lbs.. I would say most of the front end AG, kona folks, use a power meter. AS above, starting to see strava posts being removed.

I'm looking for a .csv of 2017 and 2018 full results, i'd like to pull out the folks who raced both years and look at the deltas. I saw an AG, near the front of my AG, that road almost 40min faster this year. Would like to generate some data if i can get all the source? Anyone?

I see he has now changed his Strava to ‘request to follow.’ Won’t mention his name per Dan's request. I looked through some of his rides on there the IMTX was something like 24.9 mph on 176 Watts. He did two 70.3’s last season, they were hilly bike courses and his averages for each were something like 220 and 230 Watts to go 22.5-22.9 mph.

What really cracked me up was a local shoe store replied to his post on getting a KQ with this “Must have been the sprint-distance draft legal racing that got you ready”

Presumably in reference to a local series he did that they were involved with. But the irony of it is quite thick. Haha

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yeah, he started realizing the comments coming in weren't just his athletes congratulating him and made his whole account private

for shits and giggles we should start requesting to follow him

yeah, that leader board is hilarious. It's either 300~ watts or less than 200

Based on how you wanna roast those individuals on here makes me think that that the bike course should in deed have more officials... I mean you can't have it both ways where you want people roasted for drafting and not necessarily want to be a free Moro official during the bike because "the course doesn't warrant it"

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Speed kills unless you have speed skills!!!

Yes there is a slew of races coming up where you won't have to worry about the drafting issue.

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Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

It’s like telling people not to draft on the highway during rush hour. I would love to have 6 car lengths to myself.... it just does not happen. If you are a statistically average biker there are hundreds of bikers on the course who will be riding within one mile per hour of you for the whole 112 miles.

Not sure what your point is here. If there was one official on the course that would be more than what there was all day.

Also not sure if you raced this weekend or not - but the drafting looked more like a zombie apocalypse than anything.

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I never said I raced nor did i say that there were any officials... my point was that trying to shame people isn't right & if you feel like so.wthing shouldve been done then anybody to wants to shame these drafters that they could easily become a free bike marshal so that these draft packs don't form is you're that adamant about people NOT drafting!

I get it that it looked like a huge "gaggle fock" out there but is shaming people the next best option, this is my point! Volunteering is free, I can't imagine that a RD would be like "sorry fella I much rather not have extra moto officials on my race to allow for drafters to brake the rules"

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Might want to re-read my post.

1) I said I would love to volunteer at Texas (or any other race) to make sure that the race is fair.
2) I was simply commenting on the fact that I wasn't sure if you raced or not, and providing first hand experience of how bad the draft packs truly looked compared to other races.
3) I am not shaming anyone - where have I posted a bib number or picture of anyone? I am simply adding to the discussion that is taking place on the thread. I have plenty of bib numbers I distinctly remember from this past weekend, but in all honesty it isn't worth the time since most of these people knew exactly what they were doing.

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Klehner I could only handle reading your nonsense on every thread for so long. Congratulations on being the most ethical person on Slowtwich.

I raced Texas. Yes I was swallowed up by a pack (multiple times, by the same pack). It went down pretty much exactly as Dan spelled out for you, at least in my case. I'm not one to speak for others or comment on anything I didn't witness firsthand.

I'm not a FOP swimmer, got out in 1:03...292 overall. With a rolling start and minus the pros way up the road, say there were roughly 250 people in front of me. It was pretty wide open for the first loop. There were 4 of us riding legal, going back and forth for a while. Eventually a pack came and ate me up. I was riding the line of the road when one guy passed, then 2, then 3, after the first couple they don't ease in front of you, they cut right in front of your wheel. Each time I would drop back, and drop back, and drop back etc. Eventually they began to pass 2 and 3 wide at a time, sometimes passing on both sides of me. Again drop back multiple times until I am the last one off the back.

Here is where it seems confusing for you. I am now 6 bike lengths off the back of a 30-40 person group. I am in a RACE. I want to beat these people across the finish line, because that's the whole point. Once I am off the back I'm not sure what you suggest. I would like to continue competing at this point... it is a competition. 6 lengths off the back of a peloton feels pretty fricking easy, I'll tell you that. I was not happy with the situation either. I trained to hard too long for this BS. With the next person up the road 6 lengths ahead of me am I riding legally here in your opinion?? Breaking and letting 40 competitors fly by is stupid racing IMO.

This was the cycle many times over. I'm 5'10' 142lbs every little bridge or incline (and most aid stations) I would fly by these guys with very little to no increase in effort. Then I would give a little effort into the pedals and find myself off the front finally clear of these morons, usually the same couple stronger riders would gain ground on the pack here too. Same thing would happen again anywhere from 5-20 minutes later they would come roaring by. passing and cutting in one after another.

I am a quiet person, but became very vocal, lots of 4 letter words. When I would drop back to 6 lengths they obviously considered that more than enough room to squeeze in. I began to ask them as they passed me on the left "you're not going in this gap are you?" half the time it worked, and they tried to go up to the front of the train (with 100% failure rate, they never made it... clogging up the road). half the time no response and they still cut right in.

Coming into a hill while passing a bunch lined up like a team tt - I said to one guy (whose number i wish i could remember he rode a purple specialized and spoke broken English) "some people would call this cheating" as i motioned to his wheel literally 5 inches off the other guy's rear. I made it a few bikes ahead on the road when I feel a hand on my back, while I'm in aero bars mind you, the guy slaps my back, I'm now the 3rd bike wide as he comes between me and his paceline, nearly knocking me into the cones and on coming riders. Big dude staring at me, he said something I can't understand then drops back.

This nonsense happened the rest of the ride, finally got clear of the pack for a big chunk of the ride after the 2nd turnaround for a bout 16-17 miles, until they screamed by one last time before the exit from the Hardy Toll Road.

24.2 avg the first half of the bike
23.6 avg the second half of the bike

I've never raced with power and 'coincidence or I left my HR strap in Chicago' - I did. I raced sick as a dog and was more focused on packing my neti pot.
bib 1899
4:34:29 split

I tried to remember too many bib numbers I forgot them all after the marathon. All I remember is #703 rode an upstanding clean race, first class!


Dan

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Unless it cost you a Kona slot, who cares what they do??? I race my race. If I finish 15th or 25th it’s all the same. I’m racing the clock not the other people. It’s all about me. I don’t give a rats ass if others cheat. They are the ones that have to live with theirselves.

If that’s the goal... then you’re trying to beat people. You ARE RACING THEM.

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"It's nice to be great, but far greater to be nice"

This argument is frequently made but the reality is we all have different personalities. I don't have a single trophy, medal, award etc that I have received. My diplomas are in box and not even in the original case that it was presented to me in. However, we are all different. Some people do care about whether they 50 or 51st when there is nothing material in difference between them. It is just the reality of life and we all value different things. However from a societal perspective, cheating just breeds more cheating. Regardless of whether someone is affected or not by the cheating, cheating affects us all as whole and that can be bad.

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Stupid idea! How’s that going to help the drafting problem?

This is going to happen when you put 2700 athletes on a pan flat 2 lap course with no moto officials on a one day race.

Make the bike courses more challenging and split the race over 2 days. Or focus the draft busting on the FOP AG’ers.