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Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers
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The flippant (okay, A-hole) side of me would say "Well, people have been calling for sensible gun policies, right?"

The serious side of me would say "Are you trying to make arming of teachers mandatory or just voluntary on their part?" Because I know plenty of teachers, almost none of whom would truly be able to handle a firearm such as a small conceal-carry pistol, including even the diminutive .380 such as the ladies' Ruger below (nor would they want to):



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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
The flippant (okay, A-hole) side of me would say "Well, people have been calling for sensible gun policies, right?"

The serious side of me would say "Are you trying to make arming of teachers mandatory or just voluntary on their part?" Because I know plenty of teachers, almost none of whom would truly be able to handle a firearm such as a small conceal-carry pistol, including even the diminutive .380 such as the ladies' Ruger below (nor would they want to):


If that passes, that will go over well... considering they just shot down a bill to ban assault weapons...
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
The flippant (okay, A-hole) side of me would say "Well, people have been calling for sensible gun policies, right?"

The serious side of me would say "Are you trying to make arming of teachers mandatory or just voluntary on their part?" Because I know plenty of teachers, almost none of whom would truly be able to handle a firearm such as a small conceal-carry pistol, including even the diminutive .380 such as the ladies' Ruger below (nor would they want to):



If that passes, that will go over well... considering they just shot down a bill to ban assault weapons...

And that was after a few anti-gun groups bused a group of teens from Stoneman Douglas High School up there. I guess they were figuring the pressure from having those teens in the chamber would convince Florida lawmakers to ban AR-style rifles (they're not "assault rifles," which is a term of art created in the mid-1990s).

I feel for those teens, I really do. Their world received a cruel shock last week and some may never recover emotionally. But you also can't legislate based on teenage emotionalism, especially when we know there were multiple steps along the path to their tragedy where the shooter probably could have been stopped well before he decided to pick up a rifle and do his evil deed.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
And that was after a few anti-gun groups bused a group of teens from Stoneman Douglas High School up there. I guess they were figuring the pressure from having those teens in the chamber would convince Florida lawmakers to ban AR-style rifles (they're not "assault rifles," which is a term of art created in the mid-1990s).

Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982. But that doesn't fit with your narrative, does it?

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Mrs. McK414 is a teacher, and I'm pretty sure she would never pack heat in school. And she has some experience shooting. Armed resource officers or school security personnel, sounds like a decent idea up front, but arming teachers?

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Is the public or legislature ready for the unintended consequences that may occur?
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Harbinger] [ In reply to ]
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Harbinger wrote:
Is the public or legislature ready for the unintended consequences that may occur?

I fear that at some point in the future, the term 'Going Postal' will be supplanted with 'Going Teacher'.

I love the US, but this is one of the things that leaves me feeling very blessed to have had the means and opportunity to raise my kids elsewhere.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Arming teachers in the schools.

Barely trained people, who have never before had rounds incoming at them (or even heard shots fired in anger), with loaded guns around running/screaming/panicked kids. Absolutely nothing can go wrong here.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
And that was after a few anti-gun groups bused a group of teens from Stoneman Douglas High School up there.

Is this you assuming since kids are concerned for their futures that anti-gun groups bused them in or did you find an article or see someone making this statement? My initial Google search didn't bring up anything.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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TheRef65 wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
And that was after a few anti-gun groups bused a group of teens from Stoneman Douglas High School up there.


Is this you assuming since kids are concerned for their futures that anti-gun groups bused them in or did you find an article or see someone making this statement? My initial Google search didn't bring up anything.

It's a made up meme to discredit what the kids are doing. BK knows this, yet propagates it anyway. I am pretty sure he has been turned by the Russians.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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Do you really think that a group of teenagers was able to organize something like that and work out all of the logistics? All with no outside help? Really?
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Do you really think that a group of teenagers was able to organize something like that and work out all of the logistics? All with no outside help? Really?

Logistics? I guess you've never used Google Maps. It's a car ride to Tallahassee.

In high school we organized an overnight ski trip with about 20 kids, without our parents approval, at lunch time on a Friday and left Friday night and returned Saturday night. I'm not sure what type of organization you think is required for some determined students to try and get their voice heard.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982.

Yeah but anyone who uses the wrong terminology can't engage in any discussions about guns. I read that right here in the LR.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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Per http://www.tampabay.com/...legislative-reality/
it was organized by some democratic senators:

"The trip by the first wave of 40 Parkland students was organized by Sen. Gary Farmer, D-Fort Lauderdale. A second wave of 100 students, organized by Sen. Lauren Book, D-Plantation, will arrive in the capital late Tuesday."
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah but anyone who uses the wrong terminology can't engage in any discussions about guns. I read that right here in the LR.

Kind of like saying that men can't have an opinion on "women's reproductive rights."
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982.

Yeah but anyone who uses the wrong terminology can't engage in any discussions about guns. I read that right here in the LR.

No, I don't think you did. I think what you probably read here in the LR is that, if you don't know the difference between a semi-auto and automatic weapon, or you don't know the difference between an automatic weapon and a bump stock, or if you don't understand the difference between full jacketed and hollow point ammunition, etc, you shouldn't probably be proposing to ban any of those things.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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Yesterday, the Florida House voted

1. against even have a discussion about guns

2. voted that porn was a public health hazard and required research to make an informed decision.

Fuck you, Florida.
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
Yesterday, the Florida House voted

1. against even have a discussion about guns

2. voted that porn was a public health hazard and required research to make an informed decision.

Fuck you, Florida.

Hey now. Don't fuck with our porn. That's a 1st Amendment issue. You'll have to pry my porn from my cold, dead hands. Hmmmmm.
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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Arming teachers in the schools.

Barely trained people, who have never before had rounds incoming at them (or even heard shots fired in anger), with loaded guns around running/screaming/panicked kids. Absolutely nothing can go wrong here.
Can't wait for the cops to show up, looking for a bad guy with a gun, and a dozen or so teachers are running around the campus with 45's in their waistband, AR-15's in one hand, and extra magazines in the other hand.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
The flippant (okay, A-hole) side of me would say "Well, people have been calling for sensible gun policies, right?"

The serious side of me would say "Are you trying to make arming of teachers mandatory or just voluntary on their part?" Because I know plenty of teachers, almost none of whom would truly be able to handle a firearm such as a small conceal-carry pistol, including even the diminutive .380 such as the ladies' Ruger below (nor would they want to):


I think it would be a big mistake. States are having a hard time find and keeping teachers now. Requiring them to be armed would thin the ranks even more. The candidate pool would be basically pulled from people who want to be police officers.
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982.

Yeah but anyone who uses the wrong terminology can't engage in any discussions about guns. I read that right here in the LR.


No, I don't think you did. I think what you probably read here in the LR is that, if you don't know the difference between a semi-auto and automatic weapon, or you don't know the difference between an automatic weapon and a bump stock, or if you don't understand the difference between full jacketed and hollow point ammunition, etc, you shouldn't probably be proposing to ban any of those things.

So basically what Sanuk wrote.
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
slowguy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982.

Yeah but anyone who uses the wrong terminology can't engage in any discussions about guns. I read that right here in the LR.


No, I don't think you did. I think what you probably read here in the LR is that, if you don't know the difference between a semi-auto and automatic weapon, or you don't know the difference between an automatic weapon and a bump stock, or if you don't understand the difference between full jacketed and hollow point ammunition, etc, you shouldn't probably be proposing to ban any of those things.


So basically what Sanuk wrote.

Well sure, if you aren't smart enough to know the difference between "advocate for banning" and "have a discussion."

But I know you're are smart enough.

Slowguy

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
But I know you're are smart enough.

You too! ;)
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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
And that was after a few anti-gun groups bused a group of teens from Stoneman Douglas High School up there. I guess they were figuring the pressure from having those teens in the chamber would convince Florida lawmakers to ban AR-style rifles (they're not "assault rifles," which is a term of art created in the mid-1990s).

Gun manufacturers used that term before the 1990s. Guns & Ammo published a book called "Assault Rifles" in 1982. But that doesn't fit with your narrative, does it?

I spent a lot of years in the military, Ken, handling infantry riflles, which actually fit the parameters of what constitutes an assault rifle. The first time we heard that term applied to these civilian AR-15 type rifles was in 1994. Thus the use of a term of art by civilian anti-gun proponents to give the AR-15 type rifle some sort of scary characteristics which it actually doesn't possess.

Those rifles are in no way, shape, or form a true assault rifle. If someone were to bring an AR-15 to an infantry unit and claim that he had an assault rifle and was good to go when it came to going out on a patrol, he would be laughed off the face of the planet, at minimum. Probably he'd also get a blanket party for his stupidity.

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Re: Florida Senate Committee Considers Taking Up Bill to Arm Teachers [Harbinger] [ In reply to ]
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Harbinger wrote:
Francois wrote:
Yesterday, the Florida House voted

1. against even have a discussion about guns

2. voted that porn was a public health hazard and required research to make an informed decision.

Fuck you, Florida.

Hey now. Don't fuck with our porn. That's a 1st Amendment issue. You'll have to pry my porn from my cold, dead hands. Hmmmmm.

I'm with you on that one, good sir. One of the greatest Innovations enabled by the internet, if you ask me. Much easier to utilize than those silly super 8mm films back in the day, right? ;-)

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