And right before Trump decided to dump his weekly excrement, there were almost none kneeling.

Does that matter? I thought your point was that they couldn't pressure these guys to do what they wanted and that's pretty much what happened, no?



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Agreed.



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You have to view this from the stand point of a black person that wasn't even involved in this until Trump opened his big mouth. Now he's out there taking a knee to show solidarity with some pussy-wipped jackass and bring "awareness" to an issue everyone already knows about? That's just stupid. It may take awhile for common sense to prevail, but I'm sure it will. Frankly, I'm surprised nobody has thought of a face saving way out of this for the players already. It's irresponsible.

It's so noble of you not to care about the business harm coming to the #1 creator of black millionaires in the United States. There are many, many ways to approach this problem, but the Dems/Progressives have got to make the NFL ground zero for this fight. Yeah! You're attempting to destroy black livileyhood! And it's all for the tribe, because at this point who cares about more "awareness".

Well, if my point was that they couldn't pressure them, then a counter point would have to involve some sort of pressure. No?

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"You have to view this from the stand point of a black person that wasn't even involved in this until Trump opened his big mouth. Now he's out there taking a knee to show solidarity with some pussy-wipped jackass and bring "awareness" to an issue everyone already knows about?"



Everybody already knows about?


About the only thing consistent with dittoheads is that you will say whatever you need to say when you need to say it to counter anything from the left, regardless if it completely contradicts an earlier position.




Hell, at least 2/3 of the people on this forum think that blacks are not unfairly targeted by police and don't seem to really care about....well.....virtually anything blacks have to deal with.......but its an issue that everyone already knows about, so why bring awareness to it. Okay.






"It's so noble of you not to care about the business harm coming to the #1 creator of black millionaires in the United States. There are many, many ways to approach this problem, but the Dems/Progressives have got to make the NFL ground zero for this fight. Yeah! You're attempting to destroy black livileyhood! And it's all for the tribe, because at this point who cares about more "awareness". "


Black football players are doing this, not me or Dems/Progressives.

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Thanks for picking up on this point Len, as this is exactly what I was asking.
Why and or how did it become so uniquely American.
And even though as a return serviceman myself, I understand the flag connection with servicemen, how did first responders, police etc get so uniquely connected to the respect/disrespect thing of your flag and anthem.
We Aussies are also passionately proud of our country, and it's symbols, the flag and anthem, but what may surprising to most Americans is that we, as well as most countries don't play our anthem at schools very often, certainly not daily, nor every game nor do we necessarily have a national flag flying at the fields, or stadium where whichever sport is being played.
The anthem generally is played/sung only at game that are finals, grand finals etc and of course International Games where both countries anthems are played/sung.
But hey, I've been at a sports final where out of the 100,000 people there, more than half have boo'd the introduction of our Prime Minister. disrespectful of the Office of the PM if you ask me, but that's the way we roll.

To what then do you attribute this rapid fizzling out just days after Trump offered up a can of gas for their fire?

Schools (public schools up until the kids are 17/18 years old) play the anthems at games. However, every day they have to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.


"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

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I mean that they don't have the *power* to simply just enact whatever rules they want to without having to deal with greater consequences that they'd rather not deal with.

Uh huh.

You're basically wrong about that, too, though.

Witness Jerry Jones.

They absolutely have both the power and the authority to shut down these protests if they want. Will they have to deal with consequences? Of course. Everyone has to deal with the consequences of every action they take. Like I said, it comes down to a cost/benefit judgement on their part. That's it.

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The rest of what you wrote above this is pure garbage, but I'm glad we could agree on this point.

Hell, at least 2/3 of the people on this forum think that blacks are not unfairly targeted by police

And the other 1/3 won't acknowledge factual reality.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

so looking at this for the first time, what I see, at a glance is the
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"
so the first thing you pledge to is the Flag, which is in and of itself, only a symbol of the country.
but I suppose, that reciting that every day for 8-12 years will eventually ingrain that into ones subconscious.
If only we could do that with out arithmetic times tables. :-))

I'll leave all other flag , anthem, kneeling, standing commentary to you from here on in.

It's a giant cluster all because a guy quit his job before he was going to be let go and now still can't get rehired. Nobody saw this scenario at the time. Not one of the "experts".

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"The rest of what you wrote above this is pure garbage, but I'm glad we could agree on this point. "


I've always been impressed with your ability to intelligently articulate your point.

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Every now and then a free thinker manages to escape all of that. Every now and then.

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OK.

So you agree that the owners have the authority to punish players for not standing for the anthem.

And you agree that the owners have the power to punish players for not standing for the anthem.

You just think that currently, they don't think it's in their financial interest to punish players for not standing for the anthem. (Jerry Jones excepted.)

You are really bad at articulating your point.

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"OK.

So you agree that the owners have the authority to punish players for not standing for the anthem.

And you agree that the owners have the power to punish players for not standing for the anthem.

You just think that currently, they don't think it's in their financial interest to punish players for not standing for the anthem. (Jerry Jones excepted.) "


Yes.


"You are really bad at articulating your point. "


My running links have almost 125,000 hits. Must be because they have to read them so many times to figure out what I'm saying.

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I know.

You mean there is not a lot of sympathy for black dudes who get shot by police while on the way home from robbing or assaulting someone. Shocking. Just shocking. Maybe the players should be protesting criminals instead of blaming police for doing their jobs.

1) Due process regardless of the crime (unless you're not really for constitutional rights)

2) And more importantly, what about all those black people who get harassed without having committed any crimes?



Unless you are suggesting that racism toward blacks is okay because they're just a bunch of thugs. Please clarify.

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