Craigslist is STILL a mess!!

Poor cows. : (

No dental plan?

"No one wants to work!!! FJB!!!

"Please read full ad so all information is clear"

Yeah, I wouldn't skip the second half of the ad.

with manure??!!

I'm out

Always read the whole test before beginning is what I was taught in school.

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Usually that part comes at the beginning of the ad.

We backwards in Tennessee!

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Imagine being a cow. What a horrible and miserable existence (on factory farms, but even on the small "family" farms, they still get "raped" and have their babies taken away over and over again. They mourn the loss of their babies. And after giving birth many times in their life, and being exploited as milk machines, they are slaughtered for cheat hamburger meat).

I always wonder how difficult it would be to transition from a dairy farm to producing oats for oat milk. Probably impossible for many farmers. But geez, oat milk would be a win. I live in dairy country and the industry is slowly dying. I wish there could be some sort of help for these dairy farmers to grow plant-based crops instead. And trust me, dairy farms stink. At least the ones here where I live. I'm sure people who live next to them would appreciate a different type of farming. Not looking for a debate on the dairy industry. I know my views are unpopular when considering society in general. I just don't see the dairy industry as having a sustainable future for many reasons, at least here in my state.

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

May I suggest comparing nutritional value of oat milk with cow milk.

I'm actually intolerant to dairy so nutritional value is a moot point for me. A lot of people including myself, have trouble digesting the protein called casein in cow breast milk. There are a lot of studies on both sides debating the nutritional value of cow milk. I'm no expert. But hey if it works for you, then go for it. Most people do drink milk from a cow. I'm still the minority......for now.

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

how do you do that?

On the topic of milk, you should always express yourself! 😉

umm, i have questions.

I'm disappointed in how little manure is in this thread.

Please feel free to start your own thread on milk and various milk products.

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Translation.... Bless your heart for talking about Oat Milk

Back to the OP... can't imagine what the job interview would be like.... On second thought, shake that thought.

Have to say I am full of admiration for whoever drafted that. The segue halfway through that is a proper hard left WTAF moment is so seamless and matter-of-fact, it’s brilliant.

Also, life in Tennessee (Harpeth Hall an all-girls school and costs $30k+ per year to attend).

"Any student who identifies as a girl may apply to our school."

https://wlos.com/...men-female-education

You... really don't know much about farming or farmers, do you?

You paint with a very broad brush.
- Jeff

I actually know more than I want to admit, especially dairy farming. But enlighten us if you are a dairy farmer or expert. Although Ironclm prefers we discuss the topic on hand.

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

I'm a little surprised they did this. I don't see Monty Bell doing the same on the boys side.

True this:

“Each girl is unique in her own way.”

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Apparently Ensworth HS was created due to MBs desire to never admit anyone other than Boys. Frist took his $100m donation to Ensworth instead and asked them to build a high school. I haven't heard "great" things about Harpeth Hall; anecdotally it sounds very "clique-y" but I would imagine you could say that about most elite private high schools (and high schools and schools in general).

i believe the subgenre is called bondage sadomoosichism

So, how many people have responded to your ad so far?

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Good milk comes from happy cows, and I’m concerned about the trauma those cows will potentially experience. I just really hope they aren’t involved (beyond their manure) in the activities.

Bondage seems fine because the cows might appreciate seeing a person wearing a halter or lead rope. But the sadomoosochism part— bystander trauma is real, yo.

welp i just googled bondage cow to find a funny meme

and that was a HUGE MISTAKE

Plenty of food and water, friends to hang out with, occasional sex and you don't have to raise the bratty offspring, and on top of it all, someone comes to play with your nipples a couple of times a day. Sounds like a pretty good life if you ask me!

I wonder what the turnover rate is for that job. It would be a good idea to go to the closest town and ask around to see if the Craigslist poster has a good reputation. I’m not convinced it’s a good career move for anyone.

"...cleanup afterwards." sounds rather ominous.

I'm sure the cliquey part is true. Everyone I know from here who went to private school went to University School.

Ensworth has a super nice pool (and a good master's coach).

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If anyone would like to tour a dairy barn and operating creamery, and has a week to kill, I suggest this course at Penn State.

https://foodscience.psu.edu/...e-cream-short-course

Very informative, and they briefly cover non dairy.

3 points for taking one for the team

A bunch of dudes who said their hobby is posting on an offshoot of a triathlon forum. Go figure!

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The hits just keep rolling. From the Tennessee Lookout:

A Tennessee court ruled that having juries deliberate on the fate of Black defendants in a room decorated with Confederate memorabilia, by the United Daughters of the Confederacy — in the town in which the Ku Klux Klan was founded — presented no disadvantage to the defendants in the period 1909-2021.

Chew on that for a minute. We'll wait.

Don't let us spoil the fun — really, you'll want to read the full story to take in all the details — but the crux of the decision rested on a couple of key issues, according to the judge who wrote the decision:

1) No jury member ever commented on the memorabilia, therefore, in legal terms, no biggie.

2) Also, they probably didn't recognize the portraits of Confederate leaders and yes, that's A Confederate flag, but it's not THAT Confederate flag, so cool, cool.

https://tennesseelookout.com/...fc-9f41-29d007ed55b1

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Of course they are walking this back now. You could have bet money that this would happen.

https://www.tennessean.com/...#l6zwn8chdl6xb8y5ls7

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Been in the Nash area 7 years. I imagine it’s a bit like West Berlin was during the Cold War.

Maybe this ad was just a front for The Daily Wire.

https://www.nytimes.com/...w&smid=share-url

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There was some sort of slick on the way to my daughter’s soccer game last Saturday outside of Nashville. I wonder if they spilled filming by products on the road.

This was today. We won’t even go into the state representative who wants to bring back lynching.

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Wow—that is terrible. How horrible that this is happening now in our country. I think there’s a moral obligation to vocally condemn that bullshit. I hope people take it seriously—

did these guys make it into the boat you wanted to float into the middle of the ocean and sink?

or do you just intend to kill them in an old fashioned way?

aside from throat punching---do you have a fav way of dispatching those you disagree with?

/r

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Steve

Do you agree, Steve, that there is a significant difference between hanging a sign with hate speech in the middle of town for all citizens, young and old, to see and posting something about dispatching politicians in a obscure internet forum devoted to inflammatory discussions that are too ugly for the main forum?

Don’t be an ass, Steve. Find the balls to say one is clearly worse than the other.

Ma'dam

I'm reaching for my balls now

Cathy will readily assert her leadership on this forum when challenged.


/r

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Steve

What is an old-fashioned way?

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What!

How is that throat punch going for you?

or the blatant advocating of the killing of folks that politically disagree with you??

/r

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Steve

You have a grandson, right? Make certain you tell him the truth.

“Grandpa, you were in the army. Did you ever fight Nazis?”

“Well, I cried about a mean woman named Cathy.”

“Was she a Nazi, Grandpa?”

“Oh, no. Cathy hated Nazis.”

“Why did you cry about her?”

“Because when the Nazis made their sign and Cathy pointed it out, I realized I have no balls. It was easier to cry than stand up to Nazis.”

I'll not insult you on how specious your last post was

you can do better counselor

/r

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Governor Bill Lee: Nazi superhero fighting dangerous trannies and gays to make TN safer for our wonderful white race !

What a wonderful guy!

More seriously: hey politicians, if your biggest fans are Nazis, maybe take a moment to reconsider your policies? (Hint: like the policies that the Nazis like best, and the ones they hang congratulatory banners about ... )

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There are words to describe people in this situation:

Bully
Victim
Bystander
Upstander

We all make decisions about who we are.

Cathy was an upstander when she posted about the Nazis and their sign.

You chose to attack Cathy, the upstander, instead of the bully. That puts you closer to the bully.

I was an upstander when I pointed out the HUGE difference between between the Nazi message and Cathy’s message. Then I bullied your pussy ass because you deserve it and I hate Nazis.

So— do you want to insult me? Go for it.

It is always interesting to see what causes you to attack people.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Sherrell is quite a piece of work. He issued the usual "apology" through a spokesperson claiming it was a lapse of judgment. He also has introduced a bill to rename a street in Nashville

Tennessee Lawmaker Paul Sherrell Suggests ‘Hanging on a Tree’ as Execution Method (thedailybeast.com)


Many GOP politicians care more about performative stunts designed to rally the base than actual legislation that will help them.

The hits keep coming. https://www.huffpost.com/...dd21e4b08223f12e0342

Sorry to go off-state, but now I see Florida Senate bill require bloggers who write about elected state officers, to (quoting exact text), "...register with the Office of Legislative Services or the Commission on Ethics, as applicable, within a specified timeframe; requiring such bloggers to file monthly reports with the appropriate office by a certain date..."


Pushing into straight, unapologetic fascism to fire up the base? Or is someone butthurt about what a blogger wrote? Is the draft of that bill at least blushing over 1A concerns? Why not just rename the "Office of Legislative Services," to the "Ministry of Truth" (Minitrue) for complete effect.

Women with opinions methinks.

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I was going to say whiskey.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

This is a content-based restriction on speech— because it restricts speech about government officials. So the analysis of it is the content-based, 1st A analysis.

The law requires anyone who receives compensation for opinions, but not someone associated with a newspaper, who expresses an opinion to register with the government.

It is very broad and vague — it applies to a “blog” which means a website or webpage that hosts opinion, commentary, or business content. That’s basically everything on the internet, including Slowtwitch, Facebook, Twitter, Wordpress, private businesses, yelp, etc.

Weirdly, the laws says the term does not include the website of a newspaper or other similar publication. I didn’t see “newspaper or similar publication” defined in the linked proposed language.

The bill defines a “blog post” is an individual webpage on a blog which contains an article, a story, or a series of stories. That sounds a lot like a newspaper or similar publication. Most bloggers comment on current events, so they combine news with opinion. That’s how we introduce topics here typically— would we qualify as a “newspaper or similar publication” here at Slowtwitch because there is news reported?

“Compensation” includes anything of value provided to a blogger in exchange for a blog post or series of blog posts. If not provided in currency, it must be the fair-market value of the item or service exchanged.

The definition of compensation is very vague— I feel compensated in goodwill, emotional support, entertainment, etc by my blogging here. Would I need to estimate the fair market value? It’s priceless!

“If a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives, or will receive, compensation for that post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office, as identified in paragraph (1)(f), within 5 days after the first post by the blogger which mentions an elected state officer.”

So— talking about an elected official is OFF-LIMITS, unless the blogger files monthly reports, as described in great detail—

Upon registering with the appropriate office, a blogger must file monthly reports…
The reports must include all of the following:
1. The individual or entity that compensated the blogger for the blog post.
2. The amount of compensation received from the individual or entity, regardless of how the compensation was structured.
a. The amount must be rounded to the nearest $10 increment.
b. If the compensation is for a series of blog posts or for a defined period of time, the blogger must disclose the total amount to be received upon the first blog post being published.
Thereafter, the blogger must disclose the date or dates additional compensation is received, if any, for the series of blog posts.
3. The date the blog post was published. If the blog post is part of a series, the date each blog post is published must be included in the applicable report.
4. The website and website address where the blog post can be found.
(4) Notwithstanding any other law, a magistrate is
authorized to enter a final order in determination of the reasonableness of circumstances for an untimely filing of a required report and the amount of a fine, if any.
(5) Each house of the Legislature and the Commission on Ethics shall adopt by rule, for application to bloggers, the same procedure by which lobbyists are notified of the failure to timely file a report and the amount of the assessed fines. The
rule must also provide for, but need not be limited to, the following provisions:
(a) A fine of $25 per day per report for each day late, not to exceed $2,500 per report.
(b) Upon receipt of an untimely filed report, the amount of the fine …

Bottom line: this law is yet another piece of GOP excrement.

FTW !

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You are likely correct. In my experience whiskey definitely has opinions!

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I'm being serious. Steve has come down on men, myself included, in similar fashion. So I don't think it's about women. He does seem to drink and post, though.

Also, it is my understanding that Steve had a long and distinguished military career where he fought and killed people in the name of your constitution. Part of that means defending assholes and their ability to voice their low IQ opinions. I *think* that is what Steve is attempting to do. He usually lashes out against a mob like reaction to people shitting on things conservative/GQP, whether that reaction is justified or not.

On a somewhat related note, I wonder if he is upset about conflating statements like in the picture with actual Nazis. As I mentioned elsewhere, half of my family is Polish and I have Jewish heritage on that side. I'm a bit sensitive to the subject. It does bug me when people compare idiocy in modern times (tiki torches anybody?) to actual Nazis who were responsible for the unthinkable atrocities of the late 30s-mid 40s. What we are seeing now is not remotely comparable to what happened then. Is it a precursor? Are we feeling the same rumblings now that occured in Germany in the lead up to WW2? I'm not sure. I don't personally think so. But it seems ridiculous to compare the ramblings of a few morons with social media accounts to an organized political movement which swept an entire country and culminated in the systemic murder of millions. I don't foresee Jewish ghettos and gas chambers in our future.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Yeah, it seems to be trolling that tries to equate "bloggers" with lobbyists. Lobbyists have to register. And lobbyists get paid and "monetized bloggers" get paid. Therefore they're the same!

But of course it's an asinine comparison. Lobbyists interact directly with elected officials and their staffers to seek a particular policy outcome. By definition. Bloggers don't do that. They just write stuff. A blogger who does is a lobbyist who also blogs.

So I'd bet it's "gotcha trolling," e.g. the Sen. Brodeur who sponsored it is opposed to the regulations on lobbyists, so is setting up a perceived "hypocrisy trap" for those who complain about the bill.

It's arguably comparable to the precursor. The Nazis were viewed as a clown sideshow that could just be safely laughed at and ignored for more than a decade. They were destroyed in election after election. They had a clownish shitshow of a coup attempt with zero probability of success (sound familiar?) that resulted in the jailing of many of them, including Hitler. That was the end of it! Until it wasn't.



I don't either, but maybe that's because we push back on such ideas due to recognition of history? When was the right time for the Germans to push back hard on Nazi ideology between ~1918 and ~1932?

I don't think it applies to everything on the internet since I (and the vast majority of folks) certainly don't get compensated for my (our) ramblings.
But what a shyte law. No way could this be enforceable. How would they enforce this on someone that lives in another state/country?

Sure, I know that you were being serious, your comment was still accurate. And funny.


I have no jewish heritage. But I am still concerned about a bunch of f*ckwad morons yelling, "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" while carrying tiki torches. It is not a good sign of what is coming.


You betcha.


Yes, but everything starts somewhere. And Mr Spielberg might beg to differ:
https://twitter.com/.../1631522287504457728


Since you have some jewish heritage, do find Rogan saying that "jews are into money like italians are into pizza" accurate, on-point, and totally cool?

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Maybe not the bolded part, but we are already seeing here the takeover of the state government (even moreso) due to gerrymandering the blue/purple cities. My own House of Rep. person is an example. He's the guy in Tyrod's post #59. Prior to the TN legislature drastically changing the districts, he would have never gotten elected in the urban core of Nashville. They are now moving on to things such as I posted, plus the governor trying to circumvent the public school districts and ramrod charter schools (that I'm sure he has a financial interest in) and women's health care, trans people, and anyone else they don't agree with.

https://www.theguardian.com/...congress-republicans

https://www.newschannel5.com/...conflict-of-interest

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Several thoughts:

1) I’m not going to give away free passes for legislative bullshit. Bullshit in the legislature costs money, time, health and happiness. I consider laws to be a very important subject because they directly impact how we live— trolling about a cartoon or an editor’s choice of words— that’s different.

2) I support laws that make sense. Do we need to regulate lobbying. Yes. Do we have laws that regulate lobbying? Yes. Can we improve them? Yes. Is this law an improvement— no. Not by a long shot.

We have laws that regulate the content of speech. We recognize that some speech cannot exist in our society. Does this law meet the conditions for regulating speech? No.

3) Our country is like a garden. It takes constant effort to weed out the nonsense. That’s normal and to be expected. Change is inevitable and change was written into the foundation of our country.

We need to recognize the truly noxious weeds from the the regular variety of plants growing in our garden. I do not recognize the right of noxious ideology in our democracy. Ideology that is anti-democratic does not belong in a democracy (democracy is a government where authority is shared among the people. When certain people are excluded from power— that is anti-democratic).

Nazi banners and hate speech is anti-democratic. Those ideologies are based upon excluding people. Those ideologies would be appropriate in a fascist country— that’s the right home for them. Not here.

If anyone wants to say that there is hypocrisy here, I would love to discuss it. It’s probably an important discussion to have.

Beautiful! One of my poetry assignments is to combine art and politics. You've given me inspiration.

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Stop thinking these things are unenforceable. They are clearly not fairly enforceable, but they are clearly able to be unfairly enforceable. Which is very different than unenforceable.

If it becomes law, it won’t be enforced against supporters of the governor, but will be wielded against people that don’t support the governor. Or at least be used to silence those against the governor, because they don’t want to risk having to pay with the legal fees and the stress do the charges. Even though this law would eventually be overturned by the courts, that is a long painful process (partly because right wing judges will purposefully drag it out) that people will self censor.

You may not think the law applies to everything on the internet, but the law says it applies to websites or webpages that host opinion, commentary, or business content. Facebook is a business that hosts webpages with opinions, commentary and business content. Twitter: same. Slowtwitch: same. Yelp: same. Google: same. My orthodontist: same. My kids’ school robotic club: same (we list our sponsors, which is arguably “business content.” If we mention a government official, I think the robotics club would need to register under this proposed scheme.)

It’s not clear exactly who this law would be enforced against— which is why 1st A content-specific laws need to be written in a certain way. Speech laws that aren’t clear lead to a chilling effect.

The recent NPR article about medical providers in Texas talking in code words about legal medical options is an example of the chilling effect. The medical providers don’t know what is safe to say. So they speak in code. That hurts patients— in order to make good decisions, we need to know things with certainty. How can we make investments of any kind in anything without certainty? A shithole country is one where laws are unclear— either in enforcement or they change too often.

With respect to how a law can be enforced in another state, that issue can be explored by googling the words “internet minimum contacts jurisdiction.”

it is so ridiculous that i wonder if it is a 2A supporter proposing limiting 1A rights as a way to highlight how they perceive proposals like firearm registers to limit their 2A rights.

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And the question remains. where were you.

Someone on this very site suggests ignoring the 4th amendment in some ridiculous expansion of the 2nd amendment.

There are a group of people that believe that the only amendment of the constitution is half of the second one.

Because democrats don't do that

Holy moly! This is a new angle! Utterly unpredictable. Are you this innovative all the time?

Nice whataboutism. You better keep your trap shut about basically everything then because I am confident we can find some example of a republican doing whatever shit you feel like complaining about.

I invite you to look at district map of Illinois. Please feel free to discuss .

Which party has passed anti -gerrymandering bills? And which party had fought those bills?

This is the same crap you always try ''please feel free to discuss''. No, the discussion is about something else. Go start your own thread or make some kind of contribution.

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This thread is about Tennessee

If you want to talk about another state how about Texas? They also have an anti-drag bill in the works. Of course there is video of the author of the Texas bill in drag

Video appears to show Texas drag bill author dressed in drag (nbcnews.com)

Rules for thee but not for me

I think I discussed this in the Rogan thread. I'm half polish, half Italian. I honestly didn't find that comment particularly distasteful. I didn't think it was knee slapping funny either. It sounded like he was trying to make an off the cuff joke that fell flat.

I don't see how its much different from Russel Peter's act, which is almost entirely focused on racial and cultural stereotypes, only Peter's act is more polished than Rogan's off the cuff remark on his podcast. Same thing goes for a comedian like Jimmy O Yang. It's fun to poke light heartedly at that sort of stuff.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Did you see the post I responded to? Is it your position there is no gerrymandering in IL?

Nobody said there wasn’t. Again, this thread is not about Illinois. Start your own thread to bitch about Illinois and we will jump in with our own whataboutism’s to derail your thread. Until then, in this thread maybe try opining on your thoughts about Tennessee.

Ironclm cough cough Ironclm

Who knew:

- there were so many drag shows aimed at corrupting children
- the governor who signed the bill, once wore drag, at a school!

https://www.vanityfair.com/...tennessee-drag-shows

Very clever......maybe?

Did you see the title of this thread? Please feel free to discuss the subject of the thread!

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So what would be a proper way or counter example to point out her post is the drivel of a myopic ignoramus because gerrymandering occurs in multiple states?

Is there some way Tennesse can ban Windy's performative deflection dance? Think of the children!

Or you could commiserate and discuss why gerrymandering is bad and how it should be prevented. The both sides argument is weak if it stops with a shrug.

Ah, but does he think gerrymandering is bad?

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Rest assured comrade I oppose vehemently gerrymandering. Do you oppose it? Even in Democratic controlled by states?

I'd need an intellectually honest debate partner

What really chaps my hide about windy and Steve Hawley is the lack of honesty.

When Steve chooses to take aim at Cathy when she criticizes Nazis, Steve increases the difficulty in criticizing Nazis. He makes it seem like only certain people have the moral authority to criticize Nazis. That’s not true. Even people who have said hateful things can and should criticize Nazis. Nazis are a no-brainer. C’Mon! JFC, Steve.

Hypocrisy is a fault. Maybe we need a hypocrisy thread. Personally, I don’t want to be hypocritical because it implies different standards for different people.

If windy can come into a thread and criticize the Nazis or the GOP that gerrymanders at the same time he says, “what about Dems,” I might be able to see some intellectual honesty in him. But he doesn’t do it!

Someone asked about a civil war in America. America doesn’t need a war to solve our problems. We need honesty. I think honesty is the way out of this American shithole.

If you are looking for honesty from Windy, you are never going to find what you are looking for.

The DNC is the only party trying to stop gerrymandering and the GOP is fighting it. So it so obvious that windy is being full of shit by blaming both sides because Democrats won’t fully unilaterally disarm.

Democrats have already unilaterally disarmed in California, democrats would probably have the majority in the house if they had a gerrymander California.

It is odd how you always blame others for your shortcomings. I remember when personal responsibility was a thing for Conservatives, now you blame everyone but yourself for your inability to engage.