Maybe Gov. Demented show ban “fatarse” too.

It sounds like he's being restricted from talking about his activism in relation to the new FL legislation. That's quite a bit different from not being allowed to say he's gay in the speech, no?

He is not being allowed to even mention his identity: i.e., don't say gay.

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Can you cite where you're getting this from? I've read the article twice and his tweet thread and don't see anywhere, implied or otherwise, that he couldn't mention his identity, only that (direct from the article) "his principal, Stephen Covert, told him that administration was prepared to “cut off my microphone, end my speech, and halt the ceremony” if he brought up his activism."

Man don't get in the way of a good story. I don't support the law, I also don't support the liberals, trying to make it sound worse than it is, the bill does not prohibit the use of the word gay. from: https://www.nbcnews.com/...ually-says-rcna19929
the actual bill states that “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur.”

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From the article:

"Moricz became the center of national media attention following a series of viral tweets on May 9 in which he claimed that his school informed him that he would not be allowed to discuss his LGBTQ identity in the speech."

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Read his tweets. Read the rest of the article. Just because an article makes some inference doesn’t make it true.

I will let ViCE know.

But more on topic, not sure what the point is of selecting a graduation speaker.

Most good and great speakers speak about what matters to them.

What does the school administration want anyway ?? For a student to just talk about the weather for 30 minutes ?? I don't get it.

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We’ll as on-topic as it gets, would you say your thread title is at best misleading and at worst an outright lie? Just like the article implication you cited seems to be fake news? So why the furor?

Perhaps the school admin doesn’t want the kid talking about something in which he’s a plaintiff in civil litigation? Regardless, your thread title is a pretty massive leap from even the article, would you agree?

Not trying to mislead, just directly paraphrasing the article title.

It seems that students, schools, governments, nations, humans, etc have some very pressing existential problems. Like global warming, the destruction of the natural world, the massive loss of biodiversity, the spread of war and hunger. And so on.

But yet we worry about censoring high school students and squelching professional school teachers. It all seems kinda crazy.

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As to the graduation speaker, I’m assuming like most HS’s the student body president is one of 2 or 3 student speakers, that’s why he’s one of the commencement speakers.

And so maybe he could talk about his experiences as a gay student in HS, and perhaps how important some of the mentors he’s had have been. What he said he could not talk about was his activism and the ongoing litigation. That’s it, per his tweet. Maybe that’s a legitimate concern and perhaps he should be allowed to talk about his activism, probably worth discussing. But the school has not prohibited him—and the FL legislation does not prohibit him—from saying he’s gay.

We’d be in serious, serious trouble as a species if we couldn’t deal with both large and small issues at the same time.

If you haven’t noticed there’s a bit of a culture war going on right now. People vehemently disagree on the role of government, on peoples basic human rights, on human biology. This is all playing out in our new ‘public square’ of social media, in entertainment spaces, in journalism, in academia, and in politics. I disagree with much of what the right has been doing, but I also disagree with a lot of the progressive aims and oftentimes conservative politicians are doing something I disagree with as a response to progressive activism, which I also disagree with. I think we’re missing a wide middle ground where most people sit and we’re watching things volley back and forth—same thing with abortion rights. Not sure what the remedy is but none of this is good for our country.

Edit to add: it doesn’t help shit when blatantly deceitful and dishonest journalism is the norm, and articles like this spread outright lies. Do you think this helps or hurts in discourse around LGTBQ rights?

I am sure that will not be interpreted in an overly broad manner at all, because schools are not afraid of lawsuits. So nothing to worry.

It puts the homework in the basket...

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Sure, I have noticed.

But it is looking like the "culture war" will be obliviously going over the cliff with the last of the wolves and the rest of humanity.

And, when the culture war hits the bottom of the gorge and is totally pulverized, it will still be completely unresolved ... or, maybe it WILL be resolved because ... we are all dead.

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He just needs to refer to it obliquely, like talk about his boyfriend or something.

I'd guess the school would have the same reaction if the kid wanted to talk about their born again Christian identity and how everyone needs to find Jesus. Just get up there and give some funny reflections and a rah, rah go get 'em pep talk. No one wants a speech that is going to piss off a bunch of people.

But isn't the line of "speech that is going to piss off a bunch of people" why this law is bad?

Because schools are going to want to avoid lawsuits. Schools know that references to heterosexual relationships won't "piss off a bunch of people", but references to a homosexual relationship could "piss off a bunch of people." So schools and teachers are not going to apply this law equally in practice, because they know what this law is meant to do.

I think it's a stupid law, but I'm pretty sure it applies to teachers not what students can talk about?

Regardless, I'm just talking about what graduation speeches should be about. It's not a place for "activism" or controversy of any kind. Hell, we had our jackass Trump wannabe governor talk at our University graduation a few years back and he had the good sense to keep it apolitical.

Not only does the law not apply to what students can say,…the law isn’t even in effect yet. The suggestion that there is some sort of legal jeopardy that the school is trying to avoid connected to this law does not seem to be well founded.

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Well, he very cleverly took your suggestion:
https://www.huffpost.com/...ec50e4b05cfc268fea57

Actual speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTVyozS7M0

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The Pine View "School for the Gifted" huh? Do they have a headmaster that scoots around in a wheelchair and can read minds? Do they have students that can shoot fire from their eyes or have claws shoot out of their knuckles?


Seems like a pretty self serving speech to talk about your self the entire time. Wonder if the other kids in the class were hoping he might say something about their collective experience and not just his curly hair.

I went to three graduations over the weekend and all the Valedictorian and Salutatorian speeches were about what "WE" as a class have been through and not "ME" as a person have done. They made much better speeches in the context of why everyone was there.

Well, what did we expect from the Valedictorian of a school for the gifted..curly hair? No doubt that is one smart kid and looks like the plan made a few officials look like maybe they aren't. Well done.

Maybe they should have dictated what they could not talk about to make sure that they kept it to WE.

they did in fact dictate what he could and could not talk about and he complied. I am suggesting the better graduation speeches focus on the "we" when you are addressing your classmates and are not used as a stage to discuss yourself alone. He was not the only one graduating and I am anticipate most didnt' care about his self serving quips.


The speech should have been focused on their group accomplishments, the colleges they will be attending, how life is moving onto its next stages, the goals they have as young people in general and then throw in a few funny lines about their collective experience at the school ( the smell in the biology lab freshman year, or the way Mr. Jones would make funny jokes each fourth period and made up nicknames for everyone).

Leave the politics out of it.

Yes, his speech was pretty good. It was all about his him and his classmates' "WE" collective experiences. So you and him are right on the same page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTVyozS7M0

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Oh look, SDG not getting. Shocking.

It's hard to see the world when you're trapped in such a small bubble.

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So when your gifted son pulled down his mask in school with a mandate in place was that a 'WE' moment or 'ME' moment? Asking for a friend.

Hey now that’s not the same because, because, well it’s just not the same.

Exactly. That was a collective experience they all took part in. Taking down masks and blowing off stupid mask mandates.

He could have said...."And we all remember mask mandates and pulling down that mask in class each day."

Yeah, he was doing it for his class, not because he's a selfish ass.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Didn't you just say, today, a few posts above this one, "leave the politics out of it"? It's almost as if you are fine with the politics as long as he takes the right side. Weird.

Its good for someone on your side to admit mask mandates were all about performative politics. And here I was told they were about safety and based upon science.


Talking about blowing off mask mandates would not be about politics but would instead be about class comradery and memories of shared experience. You know, the reason for a speech in the first place.

Where did he admit that mask mandates were “all about perforative politics”?

You didn't watch it did you...

The vast majority of his speech was about their shared collective experience, with about 90 seconds of it devoted to his "hair".

I'd be 1000x more proud of my kid if they gave that speech than if they were a douche and refused to wear a mask in school.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Are you really asking if SDG can or bothers to read? Come on dude.

It is June 1 so...

GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY

Please Ron don't come after me.

Everyone is full of Pride.