Good decision on Gwen's part. Bowerman wasn't working for her

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Inside The Big Ring: Podcast & Coaching

really amazed it took this long

Is that marathon going to be after a swim and a cycle!?

Gwen is not good enough to be a successful elite level runner at any distance. She is however an elite triathlon runner. If Gwen is truly interested in winning again triathlon is her sport. Anything else will just be more of the same.

Way too late for her now. She can beat her head on the wall for maybe a couple of more years but at best she is a National Class runner not a headliner ... which by the way is a hell of an achievement changing sports! But her last two races were a DNF at the Oly Trials 10K and a distant 13th at the Peachtree 10K.

She must love running a lot more than her old office job - because I can't figure out why at this stage in her career she would keep at it professionally. I get that not everyone cares about income and retirement, but the longer she stays out of the professional workforce, the less chance she has of having a successful career at age 45 say. I guess she really wants to run a fast marathon before she gives it all up.

Her CPA probably lapsed the first year after she took up full time triathlon, and the accounting career passed her by many years ago. But she still has lots of social media followers and is a shill for an incredible number of products. I'm guessing that she is trying to squeeze that income stream as long as possible. Unfortunately for her, in a couple of weeks she will no longer be the reigning Olympic champion, and there will be an entire new group of female Olympic champs that will be getting all the attention. Her 15 mins is over.

Her CPA is still valid just needs to do a few refreshers.

I'm sure she hasn't thought about working in an office for a long time. Not sure why people are expecting her to quit, if she likes running she may as well get paid for it.

I don't think money is too much of an issue for her. As mentioned, I'd say she does alright with social media/sponsorship's (on top of what she has already saved up) & if she ever wants to coach, people will be lining up to get a training plan from an olympic gold medalist.

well, of course, in true slowtwitch style she said, "i only want comments about where you think we should live," and that is the one piece of "counsel" omitted in this thread.'

which makes me pretty sure that none of the wiseacres with uninformed comments actually watched the video.

she also was quite reserved in her ambitions. i think one really great reason to continue to run is that you... like to run. it's why i do it. i do think she's got really good potential in that body, just, not on typical pro marathoner mileage. she's going to be great at 70 to 90 miles a week, with the occasional - arrgh! - bike and/or run session, to put everything back in its proper place. i think it's much more likely that bobby will read gwen's response to training, and adapt her workouts and mileage, better than has been the case the last 3 or 4 years.

it's really fun figuring out where you're going to live for the next 20 or 30 years, if you have the freedom to move. i'm happy for them, that they're in that location search right now. i wonder why flag didn't get a mention. of the obvious places runners might live, that's the obvious omission.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

She has more value to make as an Olympic medalist. Given her resume there is no reason she should be hurting for cash by any stretch of the imagination so what reason would she really have to go back to accounting?

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I have doubts that people will be lining up in a couple of years for a training plan/coaching/motivation from Jorgensen unless either she becomes a major marathon contender OR starts hanging around triathlons again.

Maybe Flag is both too cold (although not far off from BOCO) and too high?

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after i wrote what i wrote, i remembered that i think high altitude is not on their list of imperatives. perhaps the opposite in fact. were it me, i'd find a way to be at 5,000' to 7,000', if i was doing what she's doing. i do almost all my running at 6,000' to 7,000' in the spring thru fall, until it gets covered in snow. but i have no problem with altitude.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Given what he said about Nandrolone recently, not a moment too soon.

That's correct. Probably just milking the social media $$ while trying to pop another kid out.

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Next races on the schedule: none at the moment

Watched her announcement while riding the trainer this afternoon. Not a surprise on either account. But geez y’all give her a freaking break. She obviously loves running and wants to continue to do so as long as she can. She probably also has something to prove to herself because she hasn’t run her best marathon. Her and Patrick probably are not hurting for money and lots of people chose occupations that may pay them less then they could make otherwise but may give them more happiness. She’s not hurting anybody, let her live her life like she wants to.

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Let food be thy medicine...

Flag would be a solid spot, good schools and access to outside running most of the time, even in the winter.

For some reason when I watched that video I remembered that Danny Mackey took the Brooks Beasts to Santa Fe, NM this past winter where they trained for what had to be four months. Also has a cool outdoor Opera scene in the Summer.

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Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.

job replaced by automate software on turbo tax, h&r block... people always bug me to go back to software dev and no, I am burned out from climbing the ladder and relearning technologies (which is a PITA when they "invent" a new programming language, anyone can relearn semantics - its the ability to use logic on that which really matters)

No joke. Tough crowd whenever Gwen comes up. She is living the dream and doing what she enjoys doing. Can’t blame someone for that. She’s not going to up at the very top of the sport, but who cares? She she do what she enjoys doing and chase what she wants to chase even if it means less $$$ and accolades.

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Matt

Preeeeetty sure EY CPAs aren’t being automated out of existence by turbo tax.

Boulder is at 5300 feet, Colorado Springs is over 6,000 feet. Even though Bobby McGee is based out of Colorado, being close to the coach may be a good thing but the environment may not suit their family for optimal life balance. The question is she says she left the BTC. BUT did she leave or did they boot her out of it? We may not know ever the real story. She seemed to struggle with the very elite end of the team, even though she is totally what I consider an elite runner. But within every group, there are different levels--she may not be what they sought for that kind of group from here on out.

I admit I have no idea how much coaches and "personalities" make. Decent professionals (lawyers, accountants, etc.) in major markets can make quite a bit and do so over a 20 to 30 year period. I assume she will lose sponsor $ in a few years, and she won't make prize money - can she makes hundreds of thousands a year as a coach? If not, if it were me, I would turn running into a hobby and get back into something long term and more lucrative.

that said, I forget that she is married. If they don't need her income, then I guess it doesn't matter. I am coming at this from the perspective of the sole breadwinner, so I may be skewed in my perspective.

She was in the Springs for awhile training. The problem right now would be finding a house they want and also afford. Maybe they are doing amazing of her sponsorship, but we’re at stupid prices in Colorado and Boulder is one of the cities pushing peak stupid. The springs you could get something for somewhat better pricing. But I’m not sure how 80 percent of the population is affording anything in metro Denver right now. We bought south of Denver 5 1/2 years ago and if we were moving we’d list for close to 2x our purchase price.

I think it is good news. I like to follow her. Anyway...even she may not excel at that she has the illusion. She is not that old... so, the one that success is the one who tries over and over again. Hope she can find her best shape with her new coach....
Many of us would love to see her back in triathlon, but she loves running. Triathlon is so demanding... so it is not just about what you are good at, it is about what you like the most...

So, she is still young and can do fine in the coming years...

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Fortunately she'd be selling out of a high priced environment (Portland) so there's a good chance they'd be making some good money there - provided they haven't been renting.

CO prices are crazy though. My son will be a freshman at CSU next month so I've been loosely keeping an eye on Fort Collins area real estate. It's nutzo and things go super fast.

i got the impression she was pretty well done with the program early this year, and it was her decision, but that there was no percentage in making a formal change until after the whole olympic cycle played out.

but i come to this with strong opinions about enclaves like these. lukas verzbicas was ground up and spit out by oregon, and here was a guy coming into that program running 3:58 and 8:29 out of high school. some programs make great chateaubriand. other programs make great hamburger. i would like to see the pass/fail rate of all the top kids who go to oregon, versus all the top kids who go to NAU. i may be dead wrong, but i think the pass/fail rate is much more favorable at NAU.

i am not in gwen's brain, and i'm not privy to how gwen views this. also, i'm not sure that gwen has thought all this through. but i do know that it's a really cool *idea* to be in that hard charging enclave. you think that's where the forward motion is. you think that if you're going to get fast, you have to be in that enclave, with america's fastest women, running with them, running their workouts. this is a natural tendency. i think being in that enclave is as much a part of the dream as the races you intend to run and times you think you can achieve.

but is the coach of an enclave like that a chef? making chateaubriand? or is that coach a cook, making salisbury steaks? i get the sense that gwen had to sacrifice the dream of living in that enclave in order to realize the dream of getting that best marathon out of her legs. but there's a lot of my own projection in there, based on my own sense of how these sorts of things have turned out in the past for athletes i care about.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

I agree, I’m not so sure it wasn’t a mutual parting of the ways with Bowerman. Picking up to train alone seems an odd transition for an older runner.Contracts were probably up at the end the Olympic Trials. While Gwen is a decent runner she was never going to reach the heights her triathlon career delivered . Injuries are always a factor and seeing the marathon trials were before lockdown , track trials were only option. She did run the 5k to her potential and time will tell for the marathon .

Not a chance, she's done with triathlon

I think Flagstaff elevation might not be ideal for her. But I do love her videos about where should we live! She already pretty much nixed my vote for them, Asheville. I can't wait to see where they decide. And I love their check off list and scoring of each city.

Here making a video catalog of where she wants/will live just seems like a cry of "keep playing attention to me!"

I respect Gwen for her accomplishments but it seems she is trying to hang onto relevancy at this point.

for the last 3 years. . . .

More like trying to maintain a career.

But now that she isn't doing a marathon and has all but officially said she is having another kid soon.. I think her pro career may be donezo.

It's certainly possible to continue to have a career based off of her current viewer base and social media - but she needs a coach/consultant on that front immediately.

She is sadly as charismatic on youtube as a chia pet. At least the chia pet grows on me - the videos are brutal.

I am not a fan of Gwen since she left Tri but I have to admit her recent videos are much more interesting. She seems to have got a bit of personality back since leaving BTC.

She is doing a fall marathon but might have to delay it as they still haven’t settled on where to live just yet. She hasn’t said she is having another child, in fact the opposite said they might adopt.

She just had a post saying she pulled out of a fall marathon mostly due to the time crunch and stress of moving.

I’d be curious so see her just do a local non-pro marathon as a time trial this. At least to gauge where she’s at a bit with her distance fitness.

Hadn’t seen any comments on adoption - great for them if that’s the route they choose! They seem like a great little family to have a “keeping up with the Jorgensens” that follows her training and their personal life, but they really need a Talbot/Kenny/ someone to film, edit, and create the content. I know they worked with Talbot a bit in the past.

I actually kind of dig them. Not because it's Gwen or anything...or event that they are done well.

Just being someone who craves desperately to live somewhere other than where we are and always researches the pros and cons of other cities, I love stuff like that.....

seems like a good chance to give back to community AND her followers by pacing a marathon. say 3:00 to help people BQ

She has just said they are moving to Boulder in a few weeks but will be renting until they sell their house.

Longer term she said they will be buying in Bend.