weather forecast looks pretty good - high around 25 with some cloud. but looking windy as the day goes on.

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Can’t wait for this - the schedule has been cleared! Rooting for a few of the pros in particular, but more keen to see a close race to the end.

Gonna be a great race.
Want to see where LS can come out of the swim, if he has closed the gap at all.

my picks:

paula
lucy
jodie

i'm guessing that stimpson's ride at daytona was distressed; she otherwise had a strong swim and run and will have the handling skills to manage the course and (let's be honest) the pack dynamics. paula will give up time to lucy on the swim, but should have a few girls to swim with, and anyway it's a short swim. paula should eventually be able to catch up near the end of the ride, or even finish a bit behind. on the run, lucy will put up a solid fight but all else equal paula should run a bit quicker. but both are northern hemisphere girls racing early in the season - who knows?

men:
frodo
hanson
sanders

some of the spoilers could be the guys who are able to essentially race it as a long olympic-distance race. cruz, dapena, butterfield, kanute, lagerstrom...
not really sure what to expect here. yeah, some strong swimmers will be able to make for a fast lead group, but it's only 1.6k, so they won't be putting massive amounts of time in. it's a huge field on a small course, so surely drafting or at least pack dynamics will be a reality. a guy like ditlev might try to get away, but how? it's not a 'head down and hammer' ride like daytona. for that reason i assume a fairly homogenous ride and then a running race. but again . . . who knows?

i do hope challenge has success with this 'middle-distance' type format and the cool venues. really fun to speculate about, and to watch.

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Is the Miami track a lot smaller than Daytona, thus tighter turns??

well yes, each lap is shorter overall, plus they're not racing on the 'oval.' instead, they're using what's called the 'road course,' which is still within the 'stadium' but has many more twists and turns.

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Ah! OK thx. Hmmm...that might make it harder for LS to make up his usual time on the bike.

here we go:
https://www.challenge-miami.com/races/pro-race/

so 8ish turns per lap, in both directions, including a 'hairpin.' but of course it's been designed for really fast cars - maybe bikes will be no worries at race speed. i've raced on one F1 course (montreal) and by and large it was pretty fast, but definitely not an oval.

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I dont know if 25 is too hot or too cold. But I know it isn't natural.

How can I watch the race?

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Its gonna be AR51 with a hint of marrying your cousin. ;)

Its a joke.... I laughed

Always loved the 'loose' conversion and it's helped frequently with my wife, who's from across the pond: Take Celsius number x 2 +30. Has helped me several times to get on the same page!

25C: 25*2 + 30 = 80

Does anyone know the actual schedule? Livestream starts at 12:30? Men go off when? Women go off when?

Edit: Found it. 1pm women, 3:15pm men. So they are going to overlap the events I guess?

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Awesome chart! As an aside from triathlon, I noticed the footnote on the map... I always wonder why oven temps are usually in F here in Canada. I know you can change it to C, but my guess is it is too late for that with recipes that are available in North America (either already made when imperial was more common, or from the US). It's always interesting following a European recipe, and seeing the oven temperature in C.

I would love to support Challenge and $2.99 is a steal. But I WIlL NOT add a CC to my Facebook account - it says ADD, not just pay this one time fee. That sounds like saving my CC online.

Do I misunderstand? Is there another way to pay like straight on Challenge website?

Thanks for the help!

I am unfamiliar with a Miami, Canada?

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in between paris ontario and london ontario

(side note, i've got an american friend who went to the university of miami, ohio. who knew? is there a less miami place on earth than oxford, ohio?)

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Didn't look like it. And you'll be even happier to know that despite there being Visa, Mastercard, American Express and Discover card logos on the payment page it refused my AmEx saying "we do not accept AmEx" so I got to put two different credit cards in!

I used PayPal. Not sure if that's any better for you

Oh boy

Thanks I saw that but I don’t have PayPal. Oh well. Too bad there is not a Challenge App or something like that.

I added my Paypal, paid and then removed the payment type from my Facebook account.

Any idea if this will be on Facebook watch? Just not seeing a video up there for it yet? I signed up and paid

The link is not up for me either. Am I missing something?

live broadcast starts at 12:30 Eastern

Anyone else getting a "we're having problems playing this video" error within the FB live page?

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It's working for me, although sounds is coming in and out.

Looks pretty windy out there today

Is there a live results for those that can't watch the stream?

I am trying to pay to watch and it is just spinning.

Quote from Ditlev's coach is that he wants to average 400W for the bike. Is this a recipe for blowing up on the run?

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I restarted my browser to fix this problem.

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I never save my credit card info to platforms so I had the same concern when I saw Facebook will save your CC to your account.

What I did was add my CC and pay for the event, then immediately remove my CC from my account. Go to Settings->Facebook Pay. You won't see the option to remove your credit card at first. Click edit info and the pop up menu will give you the option to remove the card.

Had an issue at first, restarted my browser now I'm good. Audio and video is lining up really well.

Against my better judgement, I entered my credit card info...twice! And nothing. I get a message that there appears to be a security risk so I should try again later. Amateur hour technology...I’m out...I’ll read about it later...

Oh jeez, no wetsuits and 80km race only. I predict no podium for LS. :(

I still thought he had a chance purely off the course, but seeing how much these women have spread out makes me think there's no chance for him to make up a swim deficit.

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Will be waiting for next week to watch this on NBCSN. Will make for nice trainer ride entertainment, even if I already know who won.

It could help him with a spread out field on the bike though.

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Agreed. I don't think the course is gonna let him chew up tons of ground especially with large groups towards the front. I think the men will have a large bunch towards the front and if he misses out, trouble. He has to be full gas on the swim to be relevant at all.

Yeah, women’s swim absolutely shattered the field

This swim has shattered the field. Almost no packs, just a series of 2 person and 3 person groups! Wow.

Go Paula!

anyone share some updates for those without a live stream?

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I'm 99% sure thats Lauren Brandon behind Lucy. C'mon announcers...

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There is going to be like 5 to 6 minutes between 1st and 10th out of the water.

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Lucy Charles like 30+ seconds ahead half way through swim with one follower

Whoever it is, she’s playing this swim perfectly

Yeah agree. LCB is ripping the women's field apart. After 2 laps she will have big gaps into T1. Crazy!

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100% sure she's not racing so....the announcers could be right...

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ok good. Her swim stroke looks very similar to Lauren.

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Already loving Greg Bennett on the microphone.

Is it a 12m or 20m draft zone?

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I heard 20m mentioned during the athlete briefing part of Talbot's latest video on Lionel's channel.

They just mentioned that it's a 20m draft zone

20m.

Perez about 10 seconds in front of Lucy on the bike. Swim time like 21:01.

Findlay and 2nd group out of water 22:30-ish.

I don’t much about Sala Perez, but she just had a hell of a swim!

Edit: apparently it’s not Sara 😁

Holy crap did no one practice a transition in the last year? God what a cluster.

Great to see actual racing and can understand if they are a little rusty.

she's a weird one - new to triathlon but an olympian in swimming, and then rode for a pro cycling team. . . so i mean in theory she could hang out front, and swimming with lucy won't have gassed her too much!

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Results onto the bike

Lucy 14 seconds back of Perez. Everyone else like 1:45 + back

Love his podcast. Watching Daytona I said he would be the perfect commentator.

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with splits

Very. What kind of bike? Looks like a P5D but know nothing about her.

Looks like a p5d to me as well.

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I think it is Sara, at least by the name on the back of her suit (and a quick Google search), it's Sara Perez Sala. A bit confusing for a new name :)

Lucy is reeling her in

Yeah...I retract my edit.

In my defense, I did say I didn’t know much about her 😁

She's ripping things up in any case. She's keeping her advantage on just about everyone.

Paulas on the otherhand... i hope that was windtunnel tested and it was actually good.

i was just about to post that... im far from a pro fitter, but paula's fit doesnt look that hot to me.

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And Lucy makes the catch!

Yeah, Paula and Sara are like the before and after pics in a bike fitting advertisement.

Still, as amazing as her position is, I wonder what running legs Perez Sala will bring out of the bike leg.

Pretty sure we can rely on Paula to produce a solid run.

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...and in watching the time splits, Paula is slightly gaining on the lead. In looking at the 2 positions, this doesn't seem possible.

@Kid

Oh ffs. If it was a guy id say it looks like crap too lol. Im equal opportunity blasting pros positions that are junk.

I'm seeing the opposite, looks like she is losing time every split.

*edit - yup, looks like she's making up a little ground. (I'm not watching live, so I'm guessing what I'm seeing is delayed)

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Rumors from the chat that Lucy has a penalty?

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Maybe not going 3m wide on her overtake? Would seem harsh given where she overtook if that was the case

Saw that in the chat also but haven't heard the commentators say anything yet soooooooo...

Edit: Commentators just brought it up, LCB has a penalty for that pass. She passed on the right side but I assume it's what you said about it being within 3m. Pretty harsh. Great break for Paula - not that I think this is how she would want it.

I still cant get over Luis at Daytona getting a 2 min penalty and finishing just over 2 minutes back of the winner. Would have loved to see him through the hole race pushing at the front

The male commenter is poor, the woman is waay more switched on!

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She got the penalty for passing on the wrong side, commentators say.

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Although if he rode fair he probably would have a good chunk further back than 2 minutes.

Wow- 2 min lead off the bike long enough over 10 miles? I don't know anything about her, but since she is ITU I assume she can run

Edit: Perez Sala

Can Perez Sala run? She looks like a proper cyclist.

yep, confirmed on twitter

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definitely not saying he wasn't deserving of the penalty. i was just hoping to see him battle it at the front given his run fitness in the past year

But she's british. It's not her fault!

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agreed - for that reason i wish the brownlees had been on better form too. it's more fun when everyone is in the mix.

still, i remember watching daytona and thinking that luis was waaay out of line - he was repeatedly, obviously drafting.

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Findlay will definitely benefit from the LCB penalty. They may end up starting the run together to track down Perez.

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ya but we put a flag in that...it's ours!

She was penalized for passing on the left. They are supposed to pass on the right.

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For the current top 5, here are Thorsten's predicted run splits at trirating.com:


Sara Perez Sala unrated
Lucy Charles-Barclay 1:04:42
Paula Findlay 1:04:31
Jodie Stimpson 1:03:44
Fenella Langridge 1:06:40


I have watched Lucy run extremely well for the 1st hour at Ironman....The penalty she just incurred will likely mean her & Paula exit T2 very close together. Jodie hasn't had a great ITU race in a few years so I would question the faster run split estimate.


@Kid

I'm no bike fitter - but Paula looks like she's riding a road bike. It's clearly working fine for her, but she looks closer to a sail than an arrow

Judge's ruling - fun factor ZERO. :P

We overtake on the right ...

Think Perez swinging so far to the right through the corner gave Lucy little choice unless she sat up and waited for Perez to come back onto a half decent line. Shes basically been penalised for taking a better line through the corner.

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A quick ITU search puts it as...should be an interesting race!

Ran well in the Hamburg worlds - 1:15 behind GTB, but other results are 3-4 minutes slower than the fastest runs over 10k so...it's going to be interesting!

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So I assume she can serve the penalty at any point on the bike? Should she be hammering a bit more to try and get as big of a lead as possible then take the penalty or is she confident enough in her run to maintain the current pace and catch back up during the run?

Exactly what i said on the FB feed. It’s technically against the rules but its also a moronic rule when you have roads this wide.

Interesting how much they're getting out of the aero position.

Just got back from my run so didn't see the beginning.

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this is what i mean when i talk about the growing pains at challenge. again, i'm a big fan of what they're doing here, but i still think some of the logistics need to worked out. a non-draft multi-lap race with a big pro field is recipe for these kinds of issues . . .

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i don't have the livestream, but they've been putting up the odd update on the twitter feed here if you want to get caught up:

https://www.challenge-family.com/now/

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How come Holly Lawerence isn’t racing?

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On a such a short multi-lap courses where you will have people on 3 or even 4 different laps, all at the same place at the same time, having a pass on the right rule seems reasonable from a safety standpoint. If the rider you are approaching swings really wide on a turn like that, Lucy really should have let up and then passed on the right. I can't conceive of just ignoring that rule and guaranteeing yourself a penalty. Maybe she was just staring a few meters ahead of her front wheel and didn't realize Perez went wide?

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LCB will have 2 minute penalty at run, she'll even with with Findlay and two others trying to put that 2mins into Perez. Should be a good showdown if those 4 can push each other to catch Perez.

Checked the in stride viewership: 5300.

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i assume lucy's play is to hammer a bit harder on the bike now, take her 2-minutes in T2, and then hit the run. it might actually be interesting to see her chasing, for once . . .

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Plus I wouldn't overlook Hering floating just back there either - she's got a hell of a run.

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Another ITU athlete suffering from cramps. You'd imagine they'd have learned watching Daytona...

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Perez cramping.

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Just tuned in. Has Perez Sala had such a high cadence the whole time? Stark difference between her and LCB, who is grinding in comparison.

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She lost what, 10 seconds, just a bit less of a lead on the run after the 2 min penalty. Run should be awesome to watch.

If you were talking about an age group race I totally agree. But a pro race with 40 some people there shouldn’t be the rule. Pass where you can. It’s not that complicated to be able to bike around people.

most of the time, cramping doesn't just go away. There is a good chance those cramps will come back to haunt her.

That being said, I've cramped twice in the first two miles of an Ironman, got through it and had a good run afterwards, so it can be overcome sometimes.


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Sure, she only lost 10 seconds, but think about what we saw in Daytona. Even if we saw Morgan Pearson and Mat Mcelroy make it to the run, the chances their muscles would have cooperated through 10 miles would probably be low. Ali, Lisa Norden, Magnus Ditlev all had some serious issues on the run. We'll see though.

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Lucy goes down at the dismount time. Must have been pushing hard? Or perhaps had the penalty on the brain

ETA: we got a replay on the crash. She never swung her leg over the bike, looks like she came to the line too hot and had to panic brake to not ride through. Went over the bars.

Just rusty from not racing perhaps, seems like an odd mistake. Luckily it doesn't look like she's injured at all.

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Lucy rocking the Alphafly.

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Bit rusty maybe? Some of their T1's were ugly too. No flying mounts, lots of bumbling around with getting on the bike.

Looks like she kept too much speed up to the line and was struggling to get slowed enough at the last minute and as she stopped she was still on the saddle and fell to the right and had to unclip her right foot as she went over in the wrong direction.

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After the replay they just showed (edited my previous comment) I think you're right. Good call

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When they are announcing the men, no mention of their Ironman wins. LOL!

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fwiw, lucy seems like shes never been really good at flying mounts. i noticed she would stop at the end of T1 to mount.

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Wow, 5 minutes of men intro and miss a super exciting part of the women's race, no split screen, very poor form

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Ironman race announcers do the same and pretend that Challenge Family races don't exist.
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Yes they invented the Big Ignore.

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She's an Olympian swimmer and ex European record holder in a number of distances. And also my coach ;-)

Stimpson & LCB have almost halved the deficit vs. Perez Sala! 1:14 after 2 laps.

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alright, we need 'championship belts' in triathlon. and then ali or frodo or someone could get introduced as THE UNDISPUTED UNIFIED CHAMPION!

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where's paula now?

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Really cool to see the front angle of the swim. Ben Kanute leading it out, quite small splashes on his entry. Behind him some of the guys are spraying water everywhere.

Then again I'm a terrible swimmer, so that might not actually mean anything

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Falling behind Lucy and Stimpson....

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How many events does guiden (Gustav Iden) need to win to be named for this belt?

Paula is about a minute behind them, if I remember correctly.

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Agreed. Watching the women, and then just full screen to the men as a lot of the women are moving including my sometimes training partner Jackie Hering.

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She let the others pass from the start of the run, so is probably not feeling great.

i dont like how they are overlapping the mens race. its doing a big disservice to the womens race. poor move.

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Are we missing a second stream to follow the women? This is annoying, it's nice to save downtime with starting the men's swim already, but at least split the screen.

Lead men all back together again.

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100% agree. When they left it was a 1:40 deficit and now I'm seeing FB messages of close to 37. It's dumb to overlap this in the first place but to not split screen it is even worse.

Since the men's race started 11 minutes ago they've shown about 5 seconds of the women's race, in a tiny little window.

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Paula is sinking like a stone. Now passed by Jackie Hering. 2 minutes behind LCB & Stimpson, who are 34 secs behind the leader. If I said something about Paula Findley being certain to post a solid run, I have to suspend this opinion.

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It's a glorified radio broadcast for the women's final minutes. Too bad this isn't on international women's day to really rub it in.

Immediate edit to mention this is sarcasm. You never know.

All they had to do was give it an extra hour between races. You don't necessarily have to wait for everyone to finish. Just give time for the top 5 or so. They're going to get roasted for this, and rightfully so.

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Stimpson has opened about 10 seconds on Lucy

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another little thing i hope that challenge can work out next time!

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And now a pass coming in on the small screen if they don't cut away.

Stimpson in the lead! She looks like Paula looked on the run in Daytona.

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They finally managed to find the big screen button for the women's race!!

Jeez, Jodie Stimpson is trucking. Kinda reminds me of Matt Hanson in Daytona, actually. She's just in a different gear from any of the other leaders.

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Only to cut back to a replay of the men's swim start. For people with extremely short memories because that swim is still ongoing. Why do these sports broadcasts always do that type of race summary during a race? Never seen it in (superior coverage) bike races until after the finish.

Oh jeez, Nike super shoes now in the women's lead. Synthetic is gonna have a conniption fit!

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Just a complete guess but it might be to give the commentators a little rest

the still pictures i've seen (!) on twitter suggest the same - she looks strong! and apparently laying down 3:20 kilometers...

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That T1 was a complete disaster for like 5 guys! Looks like a bunch of us out there!

Rudy only 24 seconds back out of T1...

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Tim O'Donnell manages to fuck up the bike mount

these transitions are looking like an AG bloopers reel

Hahaha my thoughts exactly! The women's broadcast is a goner, but losing it was worth the comedy of men's T1!

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Don't know, but perhaps 5 ITU world championships, a couple of Olympic golds or maybe 3 Ironman's. A couple of b races won't do the job.

They could just sneak away one by one for a short toilet break or whatever. Again for bike racing that doesn't happen. They do show interviews in a split screen, which makes sense, but a random summary of what is still going on is silly.

Amazing, hope she can hold it down. 5:50 mile according to on screen graphic, beautiful.

In other news, comedy of errors in men's T1. Jan fumbling with the sleeve of his suit for a good 15 seconds (pretty sure I heard a "for f'ck's sakes" 😂). Ben Kanute kicked his rear bottle on his flying mount, then hit a cone that bumped the bottle the rest of the way out.

Starky 1:10 down, Ditlev 1:36 down, Lionel 2:10.

ETA Lionel's gap

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Yeah! Even Kanute was a disaster.

The last few guys all almost slowed to the point of falling over before they got their feet situated.

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As someone who is notoriously bad coming out of T1, this makes me feel a little bit better about myself.

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I don't know. Literally there's 2 unions organizing their championship and the guy won both. Ok he hasn't won Kona or ITU or olympics, but he's got the half distance (which this event kinda is) locked down for now.

I actually thought she looks almost exactly like Paula's run style at Daytona. SMOOTH.

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Do we have blimp coverage?

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I understand your concern. I linked a bank account to my Facebook profile so that I could use it for Facebook marketplace. I then tried to delete my bank information and Facebook will NOT let you do that. You can change it to a different bank account, but Facebook won't let you delete it. Talk about BS.

I wanted to delete it because of the way Facebook marketplace works if you decide to accept payment (as a seller) using Facebook. The buyer pays you and can easily back out afterwards, in which case Facebook reverses the payment. It's way too easy to be ripped off as the seller.

is this 1982? you mean drone coverage? :-P

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It looks just like an irondistance but why are they running and not drafting , and where's the iv's...amateurs!

Yeah. As many of you said - so disrespectful to the women's race - to the athletes AND the viewers.
They're not just the warm up act.

Bleedin annoying when there was such good racing going on too.
Not to mention I wanted to properly see the Brit 1-2 😎

You folks do know that this production like cost a million or so and since it's on facebook for 3 bucks, the rights weren't really "sold" to any broadcast partner.

12.3K In stride viewers. And since this is a donation to the NASCAR foundation and not money going back to Challenge.

Basically only made $36,900 when you think about "PPV" events. This the live global audience.

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Does starts bike have the exact same chrome with black top paint job as lionel? Starkey said that lionel is his most direct competitor but come on lol

Tim O'Donnell just tried to enter transition a lap early.
Blooper reel continued.

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$1 million?????

Jan is gonna win this in some Hokas.

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Wow Jan on the run within 20 seconds of start, holy crap the speed. Just off.

Is Jan wearing the Carbon X or the Rockets?

Jan's 2019 kona shoe was carbon plated. It was a prototype that developed into the metaracer.

Where is fishbum? Shouldn't he be here trashing Lionel?

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Synthetic too thrashing mechanical doping shoes on basically everyone.

Lionel's teeth are out almost all the time now, he's nearly 1.5 minutes ahead of Chris Lieferman.

Unbelievable run.

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Ya, incredible run by Lionel.

Frodeno accelerating in the last 2 laps, but too late to snatch fastest run from Sanders I think. He is taking away time again anyway.

He’s smiling his way to the finish. Sheer class and an absolute legend.

We need more Greg Bennett commentating! He is a great interviewer and has excellent perspective

Yeh he was good. When all the shit talk started about 4:06 miles he shut that nonsense down immediately.

anyone have a link to the results

I didn’t get to see the race, but his podcast is about as good as any out there. He is such a humble guy but has the appropriate knowledge/background to as the appropriate questions. I actually look forward to Mondays so I can listen

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Jan is a GOAT, no doubt about it

BUT...I`m struggling with this feeling for years now, but I have to admit ->

I AM A LIONEL SANDERS FAN BOY

and today I realize that. I will get some help...but admit the problem is the first step! Right? haha

Man, Lionel is an ugly runner, but he gets it done - faster run split than Jan. Jan looks so effortless when he runs, and is quite the contrast to LS.

I remember Muskoka 70.3 in 2013 when I was heading out on the run - one of the Raelert brothers was there and was expected to win. The first male pro coming back was some young guy with Sanders on his bib. Who the F is this, I thought. Turned out, someone pretty good.

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uh isnt everyone wearing some version of super shoes? so it makes the race equal, and positions are being given respect here over run times.

Andrew (not Andy) Starykowicz seems a little stressed as of late.

Lionel had a great run split. Jan didn’t have to run at all...it would be crazy to see what he would run if pressured. Not sure he has been pushed since SA 70.3 Worlds where he ran out of his hip :(

That interview was not his finest hour.

That's cool AF that she's your coach!!! I looked her up on Wiki and saw that she swam the breast leg of the 400 medley relay for Spain in 2004. She went 1:10.62 for 100 LCM breast, which pretty freaking fast IMO; the WR at the time was 1:06 high:)) Looks like she turned 33 in Jan 2021 so not quite as young as Lucy and some others.

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What did he say in the interview? I can't find it

True, but also literally just like every interview he's ever done. People like Wurf are fun for the sport - Wurf is loud and outspoken, but entertaining. Starky is just an asshole.

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Uh, sure. But I wouldn't call Wurf fun for the sport either, he comes off as a jerk.

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Agreed. The bulk of the others, when outspoken, are generally decent in nature. Starkey just seems like an un-fun and insecure jerk.

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The difference for me is that Wurf has no problem giving himself as much shit as he gives everyone else. Self deprecation is integral to his humor. Starkey takes himself way too seriously for that.

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Sara Perez Sala (ESP, 33) is a former Olympic Swimmer in Athens 2004 where she achieved the 7th place with Spanish Team in 4 x 200 Medley.

She tried to get her slot in 100 meters breaststroke in Beijing 2008 (being 20) but was unable to achieve the score by 0.3 seconds. She quitted from elite swimming in 2010 and started in Triathlon in 2012 just for fun.

In 2016 she started to fight for being in Tokyo 2020, but at this moment she is 64th and 3rd as spanish so it´s very difficult to achieve it as the other 2 Spaniards deserve their slots in these moments.

She Owns a Time Trial Bike (Cervelo P5 Disc) only one year ago (bought in a local shop) but she is able to score higher watts in the aerobar than in a hill in her road bike.

Her obvious skill is the swimming, but she experienced several problems in her adaptation to Open Water at the beginning of her triathlon career. She is a born-to-time trial, but she is not a former pro cyclists, although she competed in 2020 in 2 races for a UCI Team.

She is not a natural runner, but able to score a sub 37 in a 10K Race.

Hope she can grow in 70.3 races next seasons, as she is not interested in Ironman distance right now.

I was there volunteering all day yesterday to do my part and help out.

It was really pretty windy yesterday.

It’s a great venue to get to see some racing which seems like a silly thing to say but you simply walk up to the side of the track and they zip by. If you have a chance to visit or participate I suggest it.

Mask wearing was very much enforced in the registration area - temps were taken at entrance.

All the participants had to do extra paperwork on site and it really slowed things down. Two pages with a lot of the same info that went online. BUT everybody I helped was very very very calm and patient about it. Just thankful to get a chance to race I think.

The venue is HUGE. Like every new race I think they probably have about 1/10 of the directional signs that they will want for participants / spectators but that will come with time.

I’m very curious how the Sunday middle distance will go because I think they have the bike course using a Small section of us-1 (which is like a highway at that spot). I know the challenge team takes road closures seriously so I’m not questioning it I’m just curious to see how they do it. It wil be a very pretty bike course on card sound road.

I was in that race. Given I did it in about 6 hours Lionel was coming in on run as I was going out. Same reaction. Who is that guy? My daughter's highschool math teacher beat Lionel at Hamilton 30 K back at about the same time. Lionel got second in Around the Bay which is pretty high level. Good memories.

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Is there any doubt in your mind that Jan could have run faster if he needed too, though? I didn’t watch but I’m confident he only did what he needed to win on the run.

Does Lucy finish 2nd in every race? It's unreal she's like the Buffalo Bills of the 90's.

As a Buffalo guy, this comparison hurts my soul.

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Haha, since we are on the championless QB theme, for now it looks like Lucy is in the club as Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Fran Tarkenton. She just needs that one Kona win like Hellriegel in Kona 1997 that got him out of that club. She's young though. Elway pulled himself out of that group closing off his career. I think Peyton Manning took around 8 years for a Superbowl win....so Lucy has time. Not everyone can be like Paula Newby Fraser, Dave Scott, Mark Allen and Tom Brady

Also is it possible that Lucy is over swimming in many races. Just because you can swim fast does not mean it is not using incremental energy and building up lactate. Maybe if she just swam a touch slower she could have more for the back end of the run course. In smaller races she does not need as much juice to win by running faster. The incremental swim gap may not be worth the added fatigue that slows down the run a touch. I think she also had Covid19 for Challenge Daytona, and I don't know if it was a non event covid19 bout that was asymptomatic or if she got somewhat sick and lost training time.

You have to feel bad for her though with her timing in the sport and the careers of Daniella and now Annie. Looking back at her past couple Kona performances not so much the swim but I wondered if she pushed too hard on the bike even if she just pulled back by a few minutes.

Charles-Barclay hasn't raced Kona 8 times yet. It took Allen that long to win. She did get an AG win in her first Kona. :) Yes, Allen was winning nearly every other race before he finally won Kona.

Is there a silent majority that doesn't have strong opinions about Sanders? I'm obviously impressed by his talent and passion. His back story is interesting and inspiring. I'm just not that interested in his social media posts. Of course, fandom is good for pro sports.

She's got the added bonus of ITU girls moving up after the Olympics to contend with also (Duffy, Zafferes, Holland) could all transition well, aswel as Findlay, Stimpson, Lawrence all now proven over half distance.

check out his social accounts. his "personality" oozes there. i follow it just for fun to see how much of a jerk he can be to followers. i used to think it was his schtick, but now i know he really is just a jerk.

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I have seen him in action post race and he is equal parts on the spectrum and self righteous. I personally think that he is an asshole but I do not think that he realizes that he is an asshole. That said, he is an asshole.

She was asked about that in an interview. Her answer was that is was harder for her to swim that slow. So I don’t think she’s over swimming at all. She’s also only in her Mid-20s so plenty of time for her endurance to improve. Lastly - where does she finish without the penalty?

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Im guessing Jodie Still wins without the penalty, I think she would have caught her with about 1km to go (the ITU speed would have came through) would have made for a very exciting finish.

Yeah, I suspect both Jodie and Jan had more to give if needed. Would have been fun to see that, though....

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Lucy has had issues in the races where she has company on the bike. If I remember in SA 70.3 worlds she was flirting with the draft zone with Daniela, then the penalty in Nice. Again with another rider with her and passing, a penalty. Not saying she cheats - but just near zero experience being anywhere other than off the front of a race. The lack of patience or tactics seem to get her a little.

Without the penalty? Who knows - Jodie looked as in control as Paula in Daytona - like there was more there if needed.

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so this forum rips LS for doing stupid shit (wrong swim suit) and not having a coach. yet when Lucy does rookie mistakes (pass on the left, flip over handlebar) and (to the best of my knowledge) is coached by her mediocre-pro husband, no one says anything. Watching her finish 2nd so many times is heart breaking, she should do everything she can to win

Yes, I am roughly alluding to this. When she is off the front and ITTing it is one thing, when there is company there is a different set of challenges at play. Lucy is also bullshitting that it costs her more energy to swim slower. She has no idea what she is talking about because Lucy would be the only swimmer in history for whom physics have an alternate reality. I "get" the perceived exertion can be lower riding high in the water at speed with high turnover vs sinking going slightly slower planing less, but the trade off is you're simply using less energy to swim slower....after all, water is a viscous medium. While we have no idea if Lucy is over swimming, if you just take her swim splits at Kona and you take her Zwift wattages and you then take men who swim as fast as her in Kona and the wattages that they can put out, you start having a rough answer that the cost of her swim speed is not as low as she may claim (again there are some physics involved with swimming fast). She's not getting to T1 off low kilojoules during the swim and eventually those kilojoules come from one place and they have to be spread out over the bike and run.

Remember in 2019 when Jan saw Patrick Lange in the lead swim group in Kona. When he was interviewed he said something along the lines of, "I was happy to see Patrick in the lead swim group because I knew he would have over swam". As it turned out Patrick did not even get to Hawi due to sickness anyway, but Jan's point is solid. Its also why Lionel's bike at Challenge Daytona was so bad for her 51.3kph world hour recod relative to the field. Lionel should have smoked everyone on the bike in Daytona, but the swim took a bit out of him. Looks like in Miami he worked on swim and swam faster, but his bike was "just steady"....nothing out of the world.

Can't really compare her to a dude here. Inherently a pro male has the automatic ability to crank more watts than a pro female. That's just reality. So you would have to actually normalize both the swim time and the power data to compare her against a male pro.

Is she over-swimming? I don't think we've ever seen her truly go off the front and crush someone. Even at Kona. What she's still missing is the run when you consider the three disciplines, Daniela had the ability to get stung by a jelly fish, come into T1 in like 20th and then bike through the field, come into t2 in like 5th and then run through the field to take one.

Someone else mentioned coaching, basically Reece is learning everything based on how she performs and his knowledge base isn't the same as someone who's been coaching elites for 10-15 years. This is a valid criticism. But hey, she's still one of the most dominant triathletes of the current long course generation.

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I had this same thought.

Lionel wins nearly every race he enters except for WC fields. In those, he gets beaten by the GOAT or one of the 5-10 guys all worthy of 1st place on any given day. Yet people give him crap and say he isn't top-tier. Are AB and Jan the only two top tier guys...?

Lucy is a mirror image of all the above on the women's side but doesn't seem to get the any of the backhanded commentary.

Its almost impossible to know exactly the physiological cost at speed for any swimmer given personal hydrodynamic profile and personal propulsion but at the pointy end larger males swim faster than smaller women over every distance because they have more brute watts to put out to overcome their slightly larger drag. So Lucy's probably having to do some extra work there relative to her body size and personal on body calorie storage to swim as fast as second pack men. Could she just sit in the lead women's pack and use a low percent of her normal swim energy, and then have more energy to stalk Daniela for the entire bike and then outrun Daniela? Lucy is smaller than Daniela, so if she comes to T2 all topped up, she could have a natural running advantage. I think Lucy is too gassed to bike with Daniela by the time she comes around on the bike due to all that hammering in the swim-bike.

Mark, midwesterners unite! Maybe I’d have a stronger opinion if I watched more of his content, but he just doesn’t inspire much reaction either way from me.

Frodo on the other hand is inspirational. One day I’d love to go into a race as the favorite and win it. Perhaps if I were a German, raised in South Africa, married to an Australian, living in Spain I could make that happen.

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