The conservation officer said while some people may think what happened was preferable to shooting and killing the lynx, "it is technically illegal to capture live wildlife and move them to a new location and can result in a fine."
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WTF? They'd rather the lynx be shot than escorted off the property? It's not like he relocated it to another country, he just basically shoed it out of his yard.

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Is it legal to shoot them?

I'm pretty sure in Maine if it's out season you have to get a permit to even shoot a nuisance deer.

I'm really amazed that that reflex is still so ingrained in an adult lynx that it totally immobilized him.

Predators are different (at least here in the States, Maine and NH - not sure about Canada): if you have a predator attacking you livestock, you can do what is needed to protect them.

However, you generally need to contact Fish and Game, they'll come out and see if there is anything that can be done to keep the predator out/away. Catching it in the act, however, is a bit different, and while F&G may not appreciate you destroying the predator, they generally understand and won't fine you. Generally. Unless there's a history and you haven't been taking the necessary steps to protect the livestock. Then they may throw the book at you.

The way he said it, I feel like they don't really have a problem with what THIS guy did. They are more worried about what the next guy does.

I like that he ended up giving it the chickens. Of course if you feed a stray cat they aren't ever going to leave.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

The face of that cat is simply amazing and beautiful.

Not so much for the chickens, but still the power of an apex predator like that is awesome. Of course, unlike humans, they don't hunt for sport. They hunt to eat and survive.

But this story shows that some Canadians have quite a heart:
"The lynx was so skinny that Paulson and his family left the two dead chickens with the animal, after it was relocated."

The farmer chose a non-lethal method to deal with the cat. And then he let the cat have some much needed food in one of the coldest winters in years. Hat's off to him.

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Yup.

In the usa, employees of the USDA kill more than a million such animals every year, including coyotes, bears, beavers, wolves, otters, foxes, prairie dogs, mountain lions, and birds without any oversight, accountability or requirement to disclose its activities to the public.
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/...s/wildlife_services/

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Maybe all of what the site is 100% factual, but I find it extremely difficult to take serious what is clearly a PETA fluff piece.

I would, however, be interested in reading a more neutral piece on it, kind of like an actual news article. But this isn't that. And I'm almost done with my bathroom break, so I don't have the time to look...

Here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ef4a00499_story.html

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The reality is that you don't usually move animals. The reasons the numbers aren't higher where you are moving them to is usually habitat, not lack of reproduction. You move disease with the animals. Territories get disrupted. The animals die from the stress of capture and the move. Etc. It seems harsh, but nature isn't usually gentle.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

If they set out a cardboard box, they could probably trap him :-)

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That's a much better article, thank you.

Does seem like they could use some oversight, wouldn't mind seeing what they have for a rebuttal, but it's government so that'll probably never come.

Yes, he should fix his coop.

But at least he had the heart to not harm or kill such an amazing and magnificent cat. He even had the decency to let the skinny and hungry cat have its 2 dead chickens, after he put it in the woods.

It is so great to know that there are still pragmatic but kind people left on this earth.

(all that said, not sure l would have the guts to grab that beast with my bare hands ... )

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How is that Lynx not going batshit crazy !!! Almost like
it’s domesticated

When I saw this video I immediately thought of our gun fetish thread...

A point I would like to make, today, modern hunting is referred to as sport hunting, as it is being done for recreation and personal use of the game animals. What used to occur was market hunting, where guys like Daniel Boone would kill 50 bears in a season and the meat was sold at market just like beef.

As game populations plummeted due to over harvest by market hunters, sport hunters demanded a change and the Lacey act was born, and thus began the "North American Model of Wildlife Conservation."

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Yeah, I don't have much against hunters that eat what they themselves kill. But people that kill so-called vermin (because they can't let themselves use non-lethal means) or people that kill magnificent predators that pose no danger to people, that seems pretty sad to me (seeing as we have so few predators left ... ).

But all of that pales to this kind of depravity:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ef4a00499_story.html


But this Canadian that caught this pussycat, he has a heart.

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Why would he shoot it? The pelt's not worth enough for the effort involved. There, I said it. As far as letting the cat live, good thing he can go the grocery store buy eggs. Assuming he can afford it.

Harsh? Yes, but we tend to forget sometimes predators are eating our means of life.

I'm not going to shed tears for the 12,186 prairie dogs, that wasn't even a good start on reducing their population.

The 419 black bears is about 14% of the bear harvest in Minnesota alone, so not some major impact on their population.

From the article:

"Non-native European starlings, sparrows, pigeons and such accounted for 87 percent of animals killed."

Then you add in nutria and hogs as a major component.

I do know they shot out a wolf pack near Aitkin, MN 2 years ago, I think that is bullshiz, the science supports a managed season on wolves which at least generates some revenue through license sales and not a pure cost to the tax payers. I get why they shot the pack out though, relatively high population density in areas plus the deer herd is pretty well gone now.

This whole deal could be a thread in and of itself.

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Damn, when l look at the beautiful face of that proud cat, just living its life and doing its very best to survive through a harsh winter, even if l had to eat NOTHING for a week, l still would not kill it.

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I live in Victoria. For years we had an adult male wolf named Takaya living on an island a literal stone's throw from a busy suburb and beach in town. No one was really sure how he got there, but he lived there for several years. He became somewhat of a local legend.

Last year, Takaya was spotted roaming the streets of downtown one night. Could you imagine walking downtown in a city of 300,000 and seeing a fucking wolf? Anyways, conservation officers caught him, and relocated him far from the city. Within a week he was shot dead by a hunter, just because. You can Google the story, and there's a good documentary on youtube about Takaya.

Some people just suck.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

Predators, coyotes mostly, threaten calves every day at my family ranch. Each animal is $1200-1500 when sold, so, it's not a trivial issue.

Wolves can take 10's of thousands worth of cattle per year in an area where they live, especially when protected. Trying to prove wolf kill and be reimbursed for the partial value of the animal is time consuming and does not fully make the rancher whole financially.

You live a sheltered life city boy.

Just thought you might like some actual information to go along with all of that incoherent babbling you are so fond of.

It's OK, there are still men in the world to take care of all the things that you're a bit too delicate to handle.

well that was adorable, thanks for posting

kitty's not happy but he's not arguing. Mom looks oddly changed.

I'm betting that you'd discover how wrong you are after not eating for a week. I know a lot of people that used to love deer until their garden and winter provisions were decimated.

76 days following a wild Lynx in a Canadian winter. And the cat sort of befriends the cameraman.

Simply unsurpassed power, speed, and beauty:

(6 min. video)

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Exactly. I keep telling my wife there is a reason why God gave us the means to kill pests. Her argument is God gave us the means to buy groceries. Bout ready to divorce her.

You know someone in modern life who wasn't able to eat for like a week? I've had some excessively-low calorie situations on mountaineering trips gone south, but never full-up starvation.

I just happen to be reading a non-fiction book about some American sailors (early 1800s) who shipwrecked on the coast of Africa and got made slaves of nomadic Arabs who found them. The highlights of the their day are when a camel urinates so they can cups their hands under the stream and get some liquid (it was better than their own urine, which they were already drinking). Best feast was when a lame camel was slaughtered, and they could cup their hands under the neck artery that was cut and drink up. Apparently the goo in the camel hump is absolutely fantastic too.

Read DSW's post, his exact sentiment was that he'd happily not eat for a week rather than kill the lynx. I'll bet he couldn't carry on with day to day activities for more than a couple of days before he needs to reduce his day to activities due to a lack of energy.

BTW, the vegan/vegetarian defence isn't valid either, predators are generally not a problem for most ag operations, otoh - depredation by cervids and fowl is a very real problem. I have 3 chokecherry bushes I have never harvested from because the birds have stripped it before I could harvest the berries myself.

I can manage 60 hours without food (not without water) without much difficulty. If l could save an animal as incredible as a Lynx by going a few days longer, l would do what it takes to manage.

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Brave talk from behind the comfort of a keyboard.

Uh, ... ok.

I think you and l have completely different ideas as to what is "brave".

Because (voluntarily) going without food for a few hours does not fit the category for me. It's not super hard.

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Here is another one:

This video was taken at Mac island, which is where we run a couple times a week.

Apparently it has set up camp in the washrooms which are closed in the winter....this is where we all stop for a quick pee mid run, lol.

Basically this is a multi field large facility right next to downtown.

PSA don’t watch if you have a soft spot for ducks.

https://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/...-kamloops-1.24286422

Maurice

DAMN.

I like ducks and lynx, but that is some unreal speed.


A magnificent hunter.

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I had to watch it 3 times to see the lynx attack....that is definitely not a hungry/malnourished/cold lynx.

On a side note that is the largest multi field facility in western Canada...we host very large soccer and baseball tournaments in the summer...it generates pretty significant revenue for the city.

The ducks and geese have become residential over the past 4 years (no longer migrate) and cause significant problems (the adult geese are more aggressive and dangerous than this lynx).

I would say he’s doing the tax payer a favour.

Maurice