Assuming fit is equal p3x all day. Cervelo is the bike that all others are compared to.

Which model speedmax are you comparing to?

Seems like you get a lot more bike for the money with Canyon

Neither. P5 Disc is what I’d go for if I was spending that sort of coin.

I am just a middle-of-packer.
With that being said, I think they are different style bikes, and I would strongly recommend getting a professional fit and then having that dialogue with the fitter.

I love my Cervelo P3X (w/ upgraded wheels, Enve 7.8s in road tubeless setup w/ Conti GP5KTLs). I think both styles of bikes are terrific. But from my qualitative viewpoint, I think Cervelo P3X is better when fully loaded with hydration and fuel for long course training and riding. I like that I can fully load up on everything I need, self-serve, (eg hydration, fuel, tools) for >80 mi training rides and not needing to stop amid COVID to get anything mid-way. The beam bike style (no seat post) leaves me feeling fresher for my run—as a slow middle aged man I can use every help I can get on my run. :-)

right now i'd pick the canyon.... at least until cervelo releases their 2021 frames for the p3x and px series bikes.... just due to cost / value...or immediate devalue of a 2020 frame in 2021.... i normally ride a frame for a few years and sell it .. so... the years matter to me.

With that said i've had a cervelo P5-six and a canyon speedmax slx - - Cervelo is way better made then canyon IMO. The fully adjustable front HUD would be a huge win to me vs the canyon where you have these super long bolts holding down the mono bar, it just feels like you're asking for something to go wrong (i had that problem with the slx while trying to achieve the needed stack height)

That being said... canyons integration on the new frame looks to be better then what cervelo has on its 2020 frames - - to include integrated front hydration... i was never a fan of being required to bolt on a profile design or xlab bottle.... till i came across this. Products | Custom Bike Xcessories

Its made me debate getting a 2020 px-series bike and adding the inframe hydration... at a cheaper cost then the new canyon.

In what way does the absence of a seat post benefit the fresness of your legs? I do like the looks of the P3X, but haven't heard this argument before.

I understand there are limitations to such qualitative claims. :-)
The Hoff seems to believe it—see around 1:37 in his report (YouTube below). And from my subjective POV, I agree with him—granted, the impact is likely less than tire choice, but still with all that time in the saddle, the small differences accrue, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtHAVX95S0E

It really is a very different “feel”. The drivetrain and bottom bracket are ultra stiff with immediate transduction of torque to the wheels and zero flex—however I feel a slight “float” feel on the saddle. I would not go as far as to say this is passive suspension—it is hard to describe. I thought this might have been just in my head until I switched out my road bike (BMC Roadmachine One which has a conventional rear triangle) for my Cervelo P3X on my Wahoo Kickr for a long indoor workout. When rear hub is completely locked in, it is immediately apparent there is indeed slight flex with the seat. I went back and forth in this experiment, and it is indeed real—anyone can try this. Whether or not this actually translates into any additional “freshness” coming off the bike is purely subjective and individual—I feel it, but fully admit this might be unconscious bias from having spent so much money on this thing. ;-)

Biased as I picked up my p3x up just before Christmas.

I held off choosing until canyon released the new Speedmax's, but once I saw them and the fact they'd changed the geo to shorter and taller and upped the prices I ruled them out. I know it's subjective but I personally think the new speedmax is quite ugly. I hadn't initially considered the p3x at full retail but the 2020 model was on offer at 30% off.

I think a lot depends on what prices you can negotiate, but if you can get the p3x on discount it's a no brainer. If there are issues you have dealer support. I've heard far too many tales of canyons cracking. The p3x is arguably faster as well.

Not been out on the road yet (too icy) but when fixed on the turbo there is some sway when you grab the saddle and wobble it, more so than a double diamond. Not noticeable when sat down and it's stiff where it's needed between bottom bracket and rear axle, but I would imagine this movement will dissipate road vibrations. Any of these vibrations are obviously also unable to travel directly up seat tube or seat stays to the saddle, because they don't exist. Whether or not this magnifies vibrations through the front end I'll have to wait and find out.

Build and finish quality of the cervelo is superb, and the front end is fantastic, so easy to make small adjustments.

Argon 18 e118 Tri+. Aero AF and comes in at 17lbs with disc brakes. Nothing else compares.

I just bought a P3x too and I can second everything that’s been said. There is a slight flex laterally in the beam, if I’m really cranking on the trainer. It’s really easy to make micro adjustments. I love that I can independently adjust the fore/aft and the tilt of the saddle. The foam elbow pads get sweaty really easily, at least with indoor riding. If you configure the pursuit bars in the “down” position, which I do, the position is really low. The net change in my aero position is nearly negligible ; I.e. I’m not sitting “up” at all.

Am looking to sell my almost new P3X with Zipp 858 NSW and super 9 wheelset. Refer to my post for more details and PM if keen. https://forum.slowtwitch.com/.../?page=unread#unread

Medium is way too small for me.😜

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Unless there is a significant difference between a 2020 vs 2021 p3x/px, there is very little (if any) difference in value.

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I heard only colour schema has changed. But dont know release date

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Yeah I've heard that to. As long as they don't go orange it should be ok.

I called a bunch of LBS yesterday to see if they had any 2020 frames left. Everyone said no... everyone said that B2B doesn't even list the px / p3x-series bikes any more.

Seems like stock is out everywhere in the DC VA MD area.. at least that i can tell. Ill try and call a few more shops today and see... but if they don't drop a frame by Feb 10th. Then canyon will get my money.

This... had the 118 NEXT and it was fantastic. Aesthetically I can not stand the P3X, but that is just me. I’d go P5 or Canyon over P3X.

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I'm with you. P5 over Canyon (bulky) and P3X.

Totally agree with this^^^^^^^. The P3X is a beast and from the dealer website it looks like they've really slimmed down the offerings. At a shop there were those wondering if they were phasing them out the options were so slim. I guess I would also say what is your terrain and race profiles? Hills on that P3x would not be a ball. The P5 is nice, but the new Argon is going to be a real game changer. I have 2 Argons and the weight, response and fit options are really amazing.

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The p3x certainly isn't light. Mine with the alloy wheels in Large is about 10.2kg and the same weight as my xc hardtail. As discs take over though the weight penalty isn't as great as it used to be compared to when the p5x first came out, so not quite the beast it used to be. The new Plasma 6 in top spec is listed as 9.6kg, so really not much in it if you had the PX with the same spec. The canyons and argon still a few pounds lighter though. The e119 disc looks fantastic, a P5d with the tool storage that everyone wants.

The dealer I picked mine up from said they didn't know where cervelo was going with its Tri bike line, implying sales of the P5D for Tri are far greater than the px. He said they were doing a lot of P5d custom builds, mainly for women, and the reason the p3x models were reduced was to shift some stock. It doesn't help Cervelo that the flagship Tri model is overlooked by many in favour of the UCI legal p5d.

I had a Speedmax SLX. Hated it. Handled like crap (it’s a really weird geometry with long chainstays and short front/center). Hard to set up. Didn’t travel well. Hard to get parts for. Mechanics hated working on it.

Had a PR5 and it was great, but wanted disc brakes.

Shiv Disc is what I have now. Love it. The bladder wing just makes so much sense. It puts weight and side winds where they make the most sense (low and behind the steering axis).

Thanks for that....although I like the Argon bikes I like the look of the P3X better. As for heavy bikes, I have Felt IA-10 from 2015 and that is HEAVY!!

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Thanks for that....that makes the choice even easier.

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Since the new E-119 has not been out and tested I would not necessarily say the P5x is faster. Do you travel at all? Front ends and your abilities as a mechanic may also come into play.

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I don't intend to travel that much but still I like the friendly nature of the P3X for travel or the P3X and the P5X foldable bar at least. My mechanic skills are 'take it to your LBS for now'.

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Its a nice bike but its just so damn tall. The lowest it'll go on the big frame sizes is basically a road position. Same goes for the new Canyon, though.

P3x bar isn’t foldable and a nightmare to take apart. There must be a good reason many pros ride the P5 instead of the P3x.

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Paula Findlay rode too tall at Daytona too.... ;-)

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If I recall Ben Hoffman rodenthe p3x with the p5x bar. I hope they still make that because I love that bar and the foldability. 😁

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Ben opted frequently for the P5. That bar was awesome and costs $800 retail.

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In fact, just looked on the Cervelo dealer site....no x series even available. Maybe goodbye P3X?

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I sure hope not!

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It’s not shown on our dealer site. Only P Series and the P5.

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Ok still on the cervelo site if that means anything.

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Not on the dealer site so nothing available at this point for dealers. Might be in a shop or two but doesn’t show any availability or even show it. Not sure what that means. I’m staring at one right now but it’s the only one we have.

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Hmmm ok I hope they still have it on 2021 or 2022.

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She did, but if I recall correctly there was a physiological reason for her to do so. She won in spite of the aero penalty of that position, not because of it. Same argument goes for Iden on a road bike last year. He won on a road bike, but not because that is faster. Said himself that a tt bike would've been faster.

For all the P3x, PX owners out there, how do you travel with the bike, assuming you don’t have the folding p5x bars?

Lol she definitely did not do that 'on purpose'. Lots of stuff on her socials after the race about how bad her position on the bike was. I doubt anyone competing for $100k is going to intentionally handicap themselves to prove a point about how much better they are than everyone else.

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Sam Long too. Best bike split at Daytona on the Argon 18 e118Tri+. But it's a tall bike lmao

E118 is not an e119

Geometry is very different.

I made this exact choice between these two bikes, and I chose the Canyon Speedmax SLX disc.

I'm coming from 7.5 years on my P5-6 which has been a great bike that got me to the big island three times.

Why Canyon?

For all those in the thread referencing Hoffman's comments about the P3X, it's notable that he, like most other Cervelo sponsored athletes, races the P5disc. The P3X is heavy, and although the Speedmax is not light weight either, there is a difference in favor of the Canyon. I ride a lot of hilly courses. For me, coming from a P5, the P5disc is just too similar to the bike I have to feel really excited about making a change, so it was not a strong contender from the onset.

Admittedly, my issues with the P3X have a lot to do with aesthetics, and that's purely subjective. The hump Bento box and rising top tube just doesn't grab me. Also, a friend who has a p3X had to tape shut his tool box...he couldn't figure out why his new bike was smelling so bad until he realized his sweat was leaking into the box. Taped it up with electrical tape. Could just be him! :) The adjustability on the P3X is easier to do than on the Speedmax, but both have a large range of adjustability and neither bike had a fit advantage in my case.

Price. $7800 USD for complete bike, including power meter, the same race wheels I would buy even on my own build, and even the tires! Just had to buy the pedals. I saved $3000USD (even with $343 USD for shipping and the import tax) over the P3X. I know people are commenting on the price of the new speedmax, but compared to what Cervelo costs in Taiwan, it is very competitive on price. I also saved money because the canyon arrives built. Even if I buy a bike from them, my LBS charges me for the build. Canyon...put the wheels on, seat post, pedals and adjust the bars and I'm all set.

The aero differences between the two are likely so marginal that choices in helmets and clothes will matter more than the difference between the frames. So I wanted to try something new, absolutely LOVE the look of the speedmax and its genuine integration, and I saved money. It arrives on Wednesday and looks like it's going to be warm and sunny in Taipei on Thursday and I can't wait to ride it!

Time will tell how happy I will be with this choice, but I'm excited for new bike day!

Thanks for your reply, it would be great to test ride the P3X and the Felt Ia I'm currently looking at. The flex argument sounds valid and interesting though, and if anything it can serve as a cognitive bias which is also fine ;-)

Sam Long rode the e118Tri+ to the best bike split at Daytona and not the e119Tri+.

It's the same bike I own and I can tell you it's legit.

I bought the Evoc Road Travel Bike Bag Pro 300L.
But since I bought it just as COVID hit, I still haven’t used it yet, so I can’t say how the bag performed. I chose this bag because it is designed to have room for aero bars with base bars.
The reviews look quite good, and you don’t need to touch the base bar—less tinkering means less that can go wrong, I think.
I hope to test the setup for real this year! :-)