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Based on the continued mandate from the State of California in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic, the IRONMAN 70.3 SUPERFROG triathlon, originally scheduled for September 20 cannot take place in 2020. We also regret to advise that after evaluating the future viability of the event, the IRONMAN 70.3 SUPERFROG triathlon will not return in 2021. IRONMAN officials will continue to evaluate the potential for the event to return at some point in the future.

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. Was pretty disappointed to have to put it off for another year, now very disappointed.

Yes I know there is a cry like a little bitch thread; thanks.

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What’s the number of IM races we have now lost forever due to COVID/future viability? Superfrog 70.3, Victoria 70.3, IM Louisville, maybe another I’m forgetting. Sucks. Victoria and Louisville were on my future to do list.

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...... Louisville was on my future to do list.

Having done IM Lou 2x in August, I was looking forward at some point to have a go at it in October. Again, very sad news.

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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See you all in Memphis.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BowwwwBallll] [ In reply to ]
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See you all in Memphis.

Not this year.

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
What’s the number of IM races we have now lost forever due to COVID/future viability? Superfrog 70.3, Victoria 70.3, IM Louisville, maybe another I’m forgetting. Sucks. Victoria and Louisville were on my future to do list.

Are these losses really because of COVID? I’m doubtful. They just weren’t extremely popular and/or have close substitutes.

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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BigDig wrote:
I have trained for 3 years for next months race. .

No you did not.

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
BigDig wrote:

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. .


No you did not.

lol

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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Based on the continued mandate from the State of California in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic, the IRONMAN 70.3 SUPERFROG triathlon, originally scheduled for September 20 cannot take place in 2020. We also regret to advise that after evaluating the future viability of the event, the IRONMAN 70.3 SUPERFROG triathlon will not return in 2021. IRONMAN officials will continue to evaluate the potential for the event to return at some point in the future.

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. Was pretty disappointed to have to put it off for another year, now very disappointed.

Yes I know there is a cry like a little bitch thread; thanks.

Virtually the same email for SuperSeal. Race transfer options aren't very good, but it's better than losing the entry fee entirely.

Live long and surf!
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
BigDig wrote:

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. .


No you did not.

Sorry I didn't put it correctly for you. Is "Three years ago I picked this race as my target race and in my mind all the training and racing since then was building up to Superfrog 2020." better?

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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Wasn’t this historically the military qualifier for Kona. If cancelled I wonder if another will take its place or they will do away with a military category.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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Hopefully some of the original organizers will create the same race under new name. It was a better race before IM took over. Moving it far south near Mexico is basically swimming in a toilet. Sure the Navy would partner to allow it to be on their facilities (SWIM and Run at least) as this supports military folks. This is a perfect opportunity......
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [scca_ita] [ In reply to ]
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Hopefully some of the original organizers will create the same race under new name. It was a better race before IM took over. Moving it far south near Mexico is basically swimming in a toilet. Sure the Navy would partner to allow it to be on their facilities (SWIM and Run at least) as this supports military folks. This is a perfect opportunity......

also looking forward to this possibility. super seal is a super fast course, would be nice if they also made it may-september when water is warmer.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
scca_ita wrote:
Hopefully some of the original organizers will create the same race under new name. It was a better race before IM took over. Moving it far south near Mexico is basically swimming in a toilet. Sure the Navy would partner to allow it to be on their facilities (SWIM and Run at least) as this supports military folks. This is a perfect opportunity......


also looking forward to this possibility. super seal is a super fast course, would be nice if they also made it may-september when water is warmer.

Superseal doesn't look promising for the future as it is probably too small for Ironman to worry about. 2021 Superseal has already been canceled. I got an email today to defer to local 2021 70.3s or Rock and Roll events.

This is on the Superseal website:


Announcement:
After further discussion and internal evaluation regarding the future of SUPERSEAL triathlon, we have come to conclusion that we cannot viably operate the event in 2021. IRONMAN officials will continue to evaluate the potential for the event to return at some point in the future. All athletes registered for the 2021 SUPERSEAL triathlon will be receiving an email with further information. If you have additional questions, please contact superseal@ironman.com.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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What’s the number of IM races we have now lost forever due to COVID/future viability? Superfrog 70.3, Victoria 70.3, IM Louisville, maybe another I’m forgetting. Sucks. Victoria and Louisville were on my future to do list.

COVID killed races this year. Generational and economic conditions are killing future races.

Boomers are done, Gen X'ers are at the point of "I have done my IM, I'm good", Millennial's are not interested, and this sport is expensive.

I'm talking big picture, macro, generalities here so don't say...."I know this really fast millennial who races every year".................... unfortunately this sport is in decline and may price itself out of existence as far as the "Ironman" brand goes.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Jimbotri] [ In reply to ]
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Jimbotri wrote:
synthetic wrote:
scca_ita wrote:
Hopefully some of the original organizers will create the same race under new name. It was a better race before IM took over. Moving it far south near Mexico is basically swimming in a toilet. Sure the Navy would partner to allow it to be on their facilities (SWIM and Run at least) as this supports military folks. This is a perfect opportunity......


also looking forward to this possibility. super seal is a super fast course, would be nice if they also made it may-september when water is warmer.


Superseal doesn't look promising for the future as it is probably too small for Ironman to worry about. 2021 Superseal has already been canceled. I got an email today to defer to local 2021 70.3s or Rock and Roll events.

This is on the Superseal website:


Announcement:
After further discussion and internal evaluation regarding the future of SUPERSEAL triathlon, we have come to conclusion that we cannot viably operate the event in 2021. IRONMAN officials will continue to evaluate the potential for the event to return at some point in the future. All athletes registered for the 2021 SUPERSEAL triathlon will be receiving an email with further information. If you have additional questions, please contact superseal@ironman.com.

did you not read? ironman is not triathlon. the original owners of the race (navy) can take it back and put it on again...
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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That blows; I was looking forward to 2021's race
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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The generational and participatory observations are sadly accurate. A similar explosion and contraction occurred in OCR.

An activity gains national recognition, people flock to it, the activity and its organizers expand to meet demand. Then, once curiosity is satisfied, the once-gaudy participation numbers fall off a cliff. All of the events that were created or expanded to accommodate those people are now no longer necessary.

The hope from an organizational standpoint is to (a) have created enough "lifetime adopters" and (b) have maintained a level of awareness to keep some incoming trickle of newbies, such that year-over-year numbers increase and warrant growth. The attendant reality is that you also have to properly manage the contraction so that the withdrawal from the space does not drive away too many early adopters and/or fence-sitters.

None of this would be easy even without a pandemic, especially for triathlon where the cost of participation, even at the bare-bones level, is significant.

The withdrawal of the IM brand from the SoCal space will hopefully allow smaller organizations with lower margins to fill that space with good quality races that attract a full local field.

IM is not triathlon, but brand recognition sure doesn't hurt.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BowwwwBallll] [ In reply to ]
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BowwwwBallll wrote:
The generational and participatory observations are sadly accurate. A similar explosion and contraction occurred in OCR.

An activity gains national recognition, people flock to it, the activity and its organizers expand to meet demand. Then, once curiosity is satisfied, the once-gaudy participation numbers fall off a cliff. All of the events that were created or expanded to accommodate those people are now no longer necessary.

The hope from an organizational standpoint is to (a) have created enough "lifetime adopters" and (b) have maintained a level of awareness to keep some incoming trickle of newbies, such that year-over-year numbers increase and warrant growth. The attendant reality is that you also have to properly manage the contraction so that the withdrawal from the space does not drive away too many early adopters and/or fence-sitters.

None of this would be easy even without a pandemic, especially for triathlon where the cost of participation, even at the bare-bones level, is significant.

The withdrawal of the IM brand from the SoCal space will hopefully allow smaller organizations with lower margins to fill that space with good quality races that attract a full local field.

IM is not triathlon, but brand recognition sure doesn't hurt.

on that note, 1 month before superfrog there is a 70.3 race across the bay. bike course not as good, but run course definitely better.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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Rideon77 wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
What’s the number of IM races we have now lost forever due to COVID/future viability? Superfrog 70.3, Victoria 70.3, IM Louisville, maybe another I’m forgetting. Sucks. Victoria and Louisville were on my future to do list.


COVID killed races this year. Generational and economic conditions are killing future races.

Boomers are done, Gen X'ers are at the point of "I have done my IM, I'm good", Millennial's are not interested, and this sport is expensive.

I'm talking big picture, macro, generalities here so don't say...."I know this really fast millennial who races every year".................... unfortunately this sport is in decline and may price itself out of existence as far as the "Ironman" brand goes.

I'm siding with Rideon77. There are some huge forces at play. Besides economic forces, we have a whole generation that does "challenges" with TikTok or YouTube videos.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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have trained for 3 years for next months race.

Maybe you should look for a new coach
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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BowwwwBallll wrote:
The generational and participatory observations are sadly accurate. A similar explosion and contraction occurred in OCR.

An activity gains national recognition, people flock to it, the activity and its organizers expand to meet demand. Then, once curiosity is satisfied, the once-gaudy participation numbers fall off a cliff. All of the events that were created or expanded to accommodate those people are now no longer necessary.

The hope from an organizational standpoint is to (a) have created enough "lifetime adopters" and (b) have maintained a level of awareness to keep some incoming trickle of newbies, such that year-over-year numbers increase and warrant growth. The attendant reality is that you also have to properly manage the contraction so that the withdrawal from the space does not drive away too many early adopters and/or fence-sitters.

None of this would be easy even without a pandemic, especially for triathlon where the cost of participation, even at the bare-bones level, is significant.

The withdrawal of the IM brand from the SoCal space will hopefully allow smaller organizations with lower margins to fill that space with good quality races that attract a full local field.

IM is not triathlon, but brand recognition sure doesn't hurt.


on that note, 1 month before superfrog there is a 70.3 race across the bay. bike course not as good, but run course definitely better.

If you are talking about the Chula Vista Challenge, all the Koz Events races have been cancelled for 2020 and replaced with virtual events.

Live long and surf!
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [plant_based] [ In reply to ]
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plant_based wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
BigDig wrote:

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. .


No you did not.


lol

Dont be pedantic pricks

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Jordano wrote:
plant_based wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
BigDig wrote:

I have trained for 3 years for next months race. .


No you did not.


lol


Dont be pedantic pricks

hey man - I found that legitimately funny - look at my Strava profile and laugh too - I understand

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Klaus Daimler] [ In reply to ]
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Klaus Daimler wrote:
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have trained for 3 years for next months race.


Maybe you should look for a new coach

Please excuse my ignorance but how would a new coach be an improvement over my current coach?

Or to address some of the implied comments in this post, is it my coach's fault that his client is stupid and pathetic enough to have a goal race that is three years away?

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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Giant Steps] [ In reply to ]
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Giant Steps wrote:
If you are talking about the Chula Vista Challenge, all the Koz Events races have been cancelled for 2020 and replaced with virtual events.

yes but next year CVC will likely be back, unlike superfrog/seal
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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COVID killed races this year. Generational and economic conditions are killing future races.

Boomers are done, Gen X'ers are at the point of "I have done my IM, I'm good", Millennial's are not interested, and this sport is expensive.

I'm talking big picture, macro, generalities here so don't say...."I know this really fast millennial who races every year".................... unfortunately this sport is in decline and may price itself out of existence as far as the "Ironman" brand goes.




Not that far off.

Triathlon in North America in terms of overall participation numbers peaked somewhere in the 2012 - 2015 range. Since then it had been on a gradual the decline. Now in 2018 and 2019, some of my clients, did experience a slight increase in participation - like 1% in either standalone races or series.

Of course this year killed that!

Cycling - mass participation kind of events gran fondos etc has followed triathlon, having possibly peaked in the mid teens. Serious licensed and category racing has been in a moderate decline for about the same time frame. Cycling is harder to put a finger on because, many do ride, and ride seriously hard, long and fast, but NEVER pin a bib number on! There are many in my club like that! Super fit super fast guys - more interested seemingly in "winning" our Thursday night "world championships" ride!

Running has again followed a similar pattern but the growth extended a bit and the peak came a bit later, and overall numbers are still WAY bigger than cycling and triathlon. In the U.S., overall running race/event participation has been down about 1% to 2% in the last 3 - 4 years!

The big question is - what will happen whenever we get on the other side of the Covid-19 Crisis? Anecdotally - many are seeing way more people cycling and running in their neighborhoods. Bike sales are up 75% this year . . yes you read that right. But these are mostly bikes in the $500 range. Still, it's always a good thing to see more people, running or cycling or doing whatever. How many of these new people, will come out to a traditional running, cycling or triathlon race/event when we are on the other side of Covid-19?

As for IRONMAN and other big mass participation races and events - working in the business, as I do, I can tell you that 2020 is going to be very hard, and if 2021 is the same, it will be catastrophic for the operational business side of the race/events business! Both IM and New York Road Runners just announced big rounds of lay offs. Several noteable mid sized race/event management companies have already shut down operations! The new buzz question in the business is, "How will you hibernate?" Personally I've had 3/4 of my income for the year, from Race/Event Announcing, Emceeing and Commentating wiped out! It's looking bleak!

On a brighter note I was part of a consultative discussion a month ago, to bring top level women's UCI Pro Road Racing to the North Eastern U.S. and possibly spilling over the border into Canada with a series of races for 2022!! But right now, that feels like a bit of a dream!


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The big question is - what will happen whenever we get on the other side of the Covid-19 Crisis? Anecdotally - many are seeing way more people cycling and running in their neighborhoods. Bike sales are up 75% this year . . yes you read that right. But these are mostly bikes in the $500 range. Still, it's always a good thing to see more people, running or cycling or doing whatever. How many of these new people, will come out to a traditional running, cycling or triathlon race/event when we are on the other side of Covid-19?

As for IRONMAN and other big mass participation races and events - working in the business, as I do, I can tell you that 2020 is going to be very hard, and if 2021 is the same, it will be catastrophic for the operational business side of the race/events business! Both IM and New York Road Runners just announced big rounds of lay offs. Several noteable mid sized race/event management companies have already shut down operations! The new buzz question in the business is, "How will you hibernate?" Personally I've had 3/4 of my income for the year, from Race/Event Announcing, Emceeing and Commentating wiped out! It's looking bleak!

I started in triathlon on a dare with a $900.00 "triathlon starter kit," which bought me wetsuit, bike, tri suit, shoes, etc., all entry level, and I had an absolute blast.

I think that the key to resurgence, if any resurgence, is going to be grabbing those "down-market" bike owners and building their interest toward newer triathlon experiences.

It worked on me.
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BowwwwBallll] [ In reply to ]
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I started in triathlon on a dare with a $900.00 "triathlon starter kit," which bought me wetsuit, bike, tri suit, shoes, etc., all entry level, and I had an absolute blast.

I think that the key to resurgence, if any resurgence, is going to be grabbing those "down-market" bike owners and building their interest toward newer triathlon experiences.

It worked on me.



Thanks for sharing and welcome to the sport.

The key triathlon race/event of the future will be shorter. People can do it on any bike. It's mostly for fun and a doable challenge!


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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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For the past few years I’ve made it a point to read the minutes of the USAT Board. In Dec, it was recorded for 2019
• Sanctioned Races up 2.5%
• Race directors up 5%
• Membership up 5.5%
• Clubs up 11%
• Officials up 38%
• Corporate Cash Partnerships up 102%

In June 2020:
• Name ITU is being replaced with World Triathlon
• ITU Rebranding Taskforce formed to provide guidance and recommendations
to Executive Board
• Brand voice has been defined, and brand imagery, including logo will be
redesigned to reflect the new name and voice


I wonder if this will now cause confusion with WTC?

Link: https://www.teamusa.org/...-Minutes?failed=true
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• Sanctioned Races up 2.5%
• Race directors up 5%
• Membership up 5.5%
• Clubs up 11%
• Officials up 38%
• Corporate Cash Partnerships up 102%



That is the Rocky Harris (USA Tri CEO) effect!

Rocky has been hustling relentless for the sport of the triathlon in the U.S. since his fist day on the job a few years ago. Not surprised by this at all! Good news!


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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
• Sanctioned Races up 2.5%
• Race directors up 5%
• Membership up 5.5%
• Clubs up 11%
• Officials up 38%
• Corporate Cash Partnerships up 102%



That is the Rocky Harris (USA Tri CEO) effect!

Rocky has been hustling relentless for the sport of the triathlon in the U.S. since his fist day on the job a few years ago. Not surprised by this at all! Good news!


these numbers are misleading. it doesnt indicate there are more races, if anything there are less. Just USAT was more aggressive to grassroots race directors saying join USAT, or die. A page taken from the playbook of WTC folks
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [BigDig] [ In reply to ]
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I transferred my IM70.3 Cour d'Alene as it was cancelled to IM70.3 Superfrog, and before that transferred cancelled IM70.3 WA to IM70.3 Cour d'Alene...

However never got cancellation email for Superfrog or any options to transfer the registration. Has anyone got any emails with updated for the race and/or alternatives?
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
Fleck wrote:
• Sanctioned Races up 2.5%
• Race directors up 5%
• Membership up 5.5%
• Clubs up 11%
• Officials up 38%
• Corporate Cash Partnerships up 102%



That is the Rocky Harris (USA Tri CEO) effect!

Rocky has been hustling relentless for the sport of the triathlon in the U.S. since his fist day on the job a few years ago. Not surprised by this at all! Good news!


these numbers are misleading. it doesnt indicate there are more races, if anything there are less. Just USAT was more aggressive to grassroots race directors saying join USAT, or die. A page taken from the playbook of WTC folks

I think in August 2017 right after he started the job I listened to an audio interview with him. He seemed very tuned into the problems of the organization, only focused on Olympics, and for age groupers it was like the DMV of triathlon - pay a fee, we mail you a registration and sticker....

Two years later in 2019 I listened an interview with a popular race company (Cal Tri Events) not bothering to be USAT sanctioned - was surprising. Not sure where things were overall pre-covid but Rocky appeared very tuned into the hurdles the sport has
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Re: Superfrog cancelled for 2020 and 2021 [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Until there's a vaccine, (if there's a vaccine)I think Ironman is dead in the water for all but domestic events, and even those only in places with exceptionally low or zero case rates. IMNZ is on for the moment, but I won't be at all surprised to see that change. We had 102 days with no community transmission, and then there it was again.

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