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Stefan Schumacher takes the lead at IM Wales.
Not cool :(
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Seems like he narrowly avoided several doping bans before being caught using CERA (new EPO) at the Tour de France and the Olympics....

Edit: just saw he was 12 minutes back out of the water, first off the bike.

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Schumacher has been involved in a series of controversial incidents during his career. He was implicated in a doping case in 2005 when he tested positive for an amphetamine. His mother, a doctor, had prescribed an asthma medication after failing to find it on the World Anti-Doping Agency's list of banned substances, and checking with the appropriate Dutch agency. He was cleared by the German cycling federation of a doping offence.

In 2006 Schumacher, now riding for Gerolsteiner, won the Eneco Tour of Benelux by one second after colliding with his main rival George Hincapie in the closing metres of the final stage, when time bonuses were available for the leading finishers. Schumacher claimed he had collided first with a spectator and the race jury accepted his story.

Following his third place in the 2007 world championships in his home town of Stuttgart, Schumacher was arrested for drunken driving. Four months later he revealed that the blood test taken at the time of his arrest had shown traces of amphetamines, whilst denying that he had knowingly taken drugs or had any knowledge of how the positive test had come about. Since a rule change in 2004 amphetamines were no longer on the WADA's out-of-competition banned list; as a result the German federation again exonerated him.

Schumacher at the 2008 Tour de France
In the 2008 Tour de France, Schumacher, riding as leader of Gerolsteiner, won both time trials, beating Swiss favorite Fabian Cancellara, and took the yellow jersey of race leader after the first. After Gerolsteiner was announced to be folding, Schumacher signed a two-year contract with Quick-Step.[2]

On 6 October 2008 the media reported that Schumacher had tested positive for the controlled substance CERA (Continuous Erythropoiesis Receptor Activator), a new generation of EPO, in a blood sample taken during the 2008 Tour de France.[3] CERA was also the drug for which Italian cyclists Riccardo Riccò and Leonardo Piepoli tested positive during the Tour de France. The German cycling federation is likely to take disciplinary action[4] Schumacher continued to assert his innocence and believed he was eligible to ride in the 2009 season and having a contract with Quick Step, though Quick Step manager Patrick Lefevre has said Schumacher's contract would not be honored.[5]

On 19 February 2009 Schumacher was banned for two years by the UCI.[6] In January 2010, the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS) reduced Schumacher's ban, allowing him to ride again per August 2010.[7]

In April 2009 Schumacher's name was raised in connection with a positive test for performance-enhancing drugs at the 2008 Summer Olympics.[8] Both his "A" and "B" samples tested positive for CERA at the 2008 Summer Olympics.[9] Schumacher was disqualified after this positive test, and appealed against this at the CAS, but dropped his appeal in April 2010.[10]

Schumacher's ban ended in August 2010. He came back to ride for the Miche team, and joined Christina Watches–Onfone for the 2012 season.[11] In March 2013 Schumacher confessed to doping in an interview with the news magazine Der Spiegel. He stated he started doping in his mid-twenties and used "EPO, growth hormone and corticosteroids".[12] He also said that his former team Gerolsteiner tolerated doping and it became as banal as "having a plate of pasta after training

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Seems like he narrowly avoided several doping bans before being caught using CERA (new EPO) at the Tour de France and the Olympics....

Edit: just saw he was 12 minutes back out of the water, first off the bike.

From Wikipedia

Schumacher has been involved in a series of controversial incidents during his career. He was implicated in a doping case in 2005 when he tested positive for an amphetamine. His mother, a doctor, had prescribed an asthma medication after failing to find it on the World Anti-Doping Agency's list of banned substances, and checking with the appropriate Dutch agency. He was cleared by the German cycling federation of a doping offence.

In 2006 Schumacher, now riding for Gerolsteiner, won the Eneco Tour of Benelux by one second after colliding with his main rival George Hincapie in the closing metres of the final stage, when time bonuses were available for the leading finishers. Schumacher claimed he had collided first with a spectator and the race jury accepted his story.

Following his third place in the 2007 world championships in his home town of Stuttgart, Schumacher was arrested for drunken driving. Four months later he revealed that the blood test taken at the time of his arrest had shown traces of amphetamines, whilst denying that he had knowingly taken drugs or had any knowledge of how the positive test had come about. Since a rule change in 2004 amphetamines were no longer on the WADA's out-of-competition banned list; as a result the German federation again exonerated him.

Schumacher at the 2008 Tour de France
In the 2008 Tour de France, Schumacher, riding as leader of Gerolsteiner, won both time trials, beating Swiss favorite Fabian Cancellara, and took the yellow jersey of race leader after the first. After Gerolsteiner was announced to be folding, Schumacher signed a two-year contract with Quick-Step.[2]

On 6 October 2008 the media reported that Schumacher had tested positive for the controlled substance CERA (Continuous Erythropoiesis Receptor Activator), a new generation of EPO, in a blood sample taken during the 2008 Tour de France.[3] CERA was also the drug for which Italian cyclists Riccardo Riccò and Leonardo Piepoli tested positive during the Tour de France. The German cycling federation is likely to take disciplinary action[4] Schumacher continued to assert his innocence and believed he was eligible to ride in the 2009 season and having a contract with Quick Step, though Quick Step manager Patrick Lefevre has said Schumacher's contract would not be honored.[5]

On 19 February 2009 Schumacher was banned for two years by the UCI.[6] In January 2010, the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS) reduced Schumacher's ban, allowing him to ride again per August 2010.[7]

In April 2009 Schumacher's name was raised in connection with a positive test for performance-enhancing drugs at the 2008 Summer Olympics.[8] Both his "A" and "B" samples tested positive for CERA at the 2008 Summer Olympics.[9] Schumacher was disqualified after this positive test, and appealed against this at the CAS, but dropped his appeal in April 2010.[10]

Schumacher's ban ended in August 2010. He came back to ride for the Miche team, and joined Christina Watches–Onfone for the 2012 season.[11] In March 2013 Schumacher confessed to doping in an interview with the news magazine Der Spiegel. He stated he started doping in his mid-twenties and used "EPO, growth hormone and corticosteroids".[12] He also said that his former team Gerolsteiner tolerated doping and it became as banal as "having a plate of pasta after training

....and here we were thinking that Gerolsteiner is all about mineral water!
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Might need to do some ground water contamination testing at their spring...

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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I just went over to the live broadcast to see if he held on, and thankfully no. But they were interviewing the 2nd place guy, Max a German, and he just came out and said in the interview that this guy is a doper with a checkered past, but what can he do but race him ?

So we have 3 world champions in Vino, JaJa, and McMahon, and now this guy in the mix. Seems like a lot of ex pro cyclists are coming over to triathlon too, perhaps it is a sign that we are weak and easy pickings. (not everyone on the dope yet?)
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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to see that Max (an Austrian) called him out! I was also happy to see that Rahn, who came off the bike 17 minutes behind Schumacher, booted him off the podium by passing him for 3rd in the last km or so.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [monty] [ In reply to ]
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More like the hardcore EPO, CERA and more recent derivatives perhaps just not as easy to come by as thyroid meds and micro "T" dosing.....


These made for an interesting read.....


https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/research_18d06xd.pdf


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/08/dutch-speed-skaters-warned-about-using-thyroid-hormones-as-boosters/


I´d like to see thyroid meds require a TUE irrespective of whether they are being taken for disease based needs, if we are to learn anything from the Salazar episode it is that tinkering with thyroid meds definitely impacts performance.





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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [tilburs] [ In reply to ]
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tilburs wrote:
More like the hardcore EPO, CERA and more recent derivatives perhaps just not as easy to come by as thyroid meds and micro "T" dosing.....


These made for an interesting read.....


https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/research_18d06xd.pdf


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/08/dutch-speed-skaters-warned-about-using-thyroid-hormones-as-boosters/


I´d like to see thyroid meds require a TUE irrespective of whether they are being taken for disease based needs, if we are to learn anything from the Salazar episode it is that tinkering with thyroid meds definitely impacts performance.




I hope they never do said thing, there's soooooo many of us who simply due to terrible genetics end up having hypothyroidism (which is still not worst I believe hyperthyroidism is wrose) anyways now I'd have to bring 10-12 yrs of medical history for people to see oh yeah he needs it... so stupid! I have to put my medical history out there for people to review as if it was a resume simply to do a race?! That'd be way too much!!!

Speed kills unless you have speed skills!!!
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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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Schumacher finishes 4th 09:02:11

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

I dont think it's IM that is saying "we dont care". IM's own customers seemingly don't care.


Case in point- did you report any of that to doping agencies, or did you just "shoulder shrug"?

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [The Red Baron] [ In reply to ]
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When saw he was in triathlon....I thought. 'oh no I hope he doesn't win anything'...so I am also not a fan of Michael Weiss either. On the broadcast they said that Schumacher had already qualified for Kona and my inside voice just groaned. Unfortunately he has served his suspension and therefore he can race. Considering that some of the research may (emphasis on may) indicate that the benefit of doping last years, this is really disheartening. Actually I think it sucks.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

If you do not report him to USADA, then you have no business complaining about it.

https://www.usada.org/resources/playclean/

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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Gerolsteiner had a handful of dopers. Kohl, Leipheimer, Shumacher.

Beautiful jerseys though.

Jalabert, Vino, etc Are all allowed to race now, they are following the current rules, however we are all allowed to make fun of them and have no respect for them or their results.

JaJa passed me at the Worlds and it was amazing to see his speed. But f him anyway. He never repented or paid a price.
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Jalabert, Vino, etc Are all allowed to race now, they are following the current rules, however we are all allowed to make fun of them and have no respect for them or their results.

Precisely.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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He was reported by another person locally after he gained a massive amount of muscle. No tests have been completed and he is constantly racing so back to, maybe not Ironman, but somebody doesn't care.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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The more he's reported the more likely they are to do an ooc test on him.

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timr wrote:
It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

Wow, was thinking T would give some improvement but that’s significant. What does a treatment program cost...asking for a friend😁
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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, unfortunately I feel most everyone I am racing against at the pointy end is on T (or something). A bit depressing to know I'm always racing people who already have an unfair advantage. I'm all for an extra fee to test age groupers. The flip side is I really do race for myself, so I try to just not worry about what other are doing (except when they beat me :-)).

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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If he's been reported, there's a probaly chance he gets tested. Obviously they'll do a background check to verify and make sure it's a worthy investment etc., but I've been impressed that many of the triathlon busts I think have come from "targeted" out of comp testing. Granted I'm sure they get tips weekly so some are going to just fall through the cracks.

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vonschnapps wrote:
timr wrote:
It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

Wow, was thinking T would give some improvement but that’s significant. What does a treatment program cost...asking for a friend😁

Pardon my ignorance, but what is “T”?
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Testosterone.
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Cheers
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timr wrote:
It's ridiculous. Ironman just says, "Look people, we don't care so get over it!!"

I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.

I guess Ironman wouldn't be sustainable if they tested everybody. I would guess more than 50% are doping somehow. Wasn't there a statistic that showed the Triathlon population was aging? New people don't feel like they fit in because they aren't fast enough. The aging population is doping to get faster because of low T and other medical problems so what does the future look like for Triathlon? Sad.

50 percent? No way
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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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timr wrote:
I was told our Tri Club President is taking T shots in the butt because he "needs it". He took 2 hours off his Ironman time last year then 2 weeks later 30 minutes off his 70.3 time.


If you do not report him to USADA, then you have no business complaining about it.https://www.usada.org/resources/playclean/[/quote[/url]]

That ^

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [timr] [ In reply to ]
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If you qualify for world’s either Kona or 70.3 you should be tested, same with a random sample of age groupers. You submit the sample and your payment.
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He was reported but your thoughts don't make any sense. If somebody is doping then I believe being vocal about it helps persuade others not too. Just shutting up and ignoring it isn't the correct answer, as you suggest. I post all the anti-doping and people busted on social media including in our Club. I guess I should stop doing that too?

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [KENNBR] [ In reply to ]
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If you qualify for world’s either Kona or 70.3 you should be tested, same with a random sample of age groupers. You submit the sample and your payment.

Such a no brainer. It would only be 40-75 tests depending on the race. Just roll price into the registration fee.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [playero] [ In reply to ]
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tilburs wrote:
More like the hardcore EPO, CERA and more recent derivatives perhaps just not as easy to come by as thyroid meds and micro "T" dosing.....


These made for an interesting read.....


https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/research_18d06xd.pdf


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/08/dutch-speed-skaters-warned-about-using-thyroid-hormones-as-boosters/


I´d like to see thyroid meds require a TUE irrespective of whether they are being taken for disease based needs, if we are to learn anything from the Salazar episode it is that tinkering with thyroid meds definitely impacts performance.




I hope they never do said thing, there's soooooo many of us who simply due to terrible genetics end up having hypothyroidism (which is still not worst I believe hyperthyroidism is wrose) anyways now I'd have to bring 10-12 yrs of medical history for people to see oh yeah he needs it... so stupid! I have to put my medical history out there for people to review as if it was a resume simply to do a race?! That'd be way too much!!!

Bit of an exaggeration, you would fill out a TUE form , get your info from your doc and send in to be authorised ONCE ONLY. A life long disease, requiring lifelong medication would give a life long TUE.

I think thyroid meds should definately be on the banned list, there are quite a few young, healthy athletes out there using them to combat overtraining and giving performance enhancement.
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He was reported but your thoughts don't make any sense. If somebody is doping then I believe being vocal about it helps persuade others not too. Just shutting up and ignoring it isn't the correct answer, as you suggest. I post all the anti-doping and people busted on social media including in our Club. I guess I should stop doing that too?


I don't think you meant to reply to me; I was all for him being reported.

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Re: Another convicted doper crushing IM dreams [Jorgan] [ In reply to ]
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Apologies to you. I read you were arrow pointing up to say if I didn't report it to shut up but you must have been pointing at the link attached. Just replying it one thread since several people posted to report it or be quite. I don't agree with that thought process.

How do they test Pros after a race? I read on Instagram that sometime's a Pro that podiums will mention, "waiting for doping control" or "after drug testing" or something similar. Is it only the top Pros in big races like Worlds? Is it top Pros that podium in all Ironman races, ITU races? Is it only the winner?

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I’m by no means a high level pro, but I’ve been on a few podiums at 70.3 and IM races. I’ve never been tested. I’ve also never seen anyone taken to be tested at those races. My impression is that it’s pretty infrequent, but maybe they are just really discreet about it...

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