Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump

Jul 16, 19 10:25

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Mark Sanford, the former South Carolina congressman who lost his seat to a Trump-backed primary challenger last year, is strongly considering a primary challenge of his own against the president.
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Sanford told the Post and Courier that he will take the next month to decide whether a long-shot run for the Republican presidential nomination is at all viable in the current Trump-dominated GOP.
“Sometimes in life you’ve got to say what you’ve got to say, whether there’s an audience or not for that message,” Sanford said. “I feel convicted.”
The former South Carolina lawmaker said he is concerned by his party’s shift away from fiscal responsibility and believes he is well-suited to lead a realignment.
“I’m a Republican. I think the Republican party has lost its way on debt, spending, and financial matters,” he said.
In order to launch a primary challenge, Sanford would need help from state Republican parties, who have the power to decide whether to hold presidential primaries or caucuses should a viable Republican challenger to President Trump emerge. The Republican party in Sanford’s native South Carolina will consider the issue at an upcoming meeting of its Executive Committee and inform the Republican National Committee of its decision by October 1.

https://www.nationalreview.com/...-challenge-to-trump/

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Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 10:30

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I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 10:36

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BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Something tells me there are chapters yet to be written in this book...

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 10:43

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BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Suffer Well.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 10:45

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jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 10:47

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BLeP wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

Mark Sanford's political career died on the Appalachian Trail several years ago, he's got nothing to lose.

Suffer Well.

Last edited by: jmh: Jul 16, 19 10:48

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 11:04

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Kay Serrar wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Something tells me there are chapters yet to be written in this book...

I do think that more will speak up, after their primaries. Because they are cowards.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [chaparral] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 11:48

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chaparral wrote:

Kay Serrar wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Something tells me there are chapters yet to be written in this book...

I do think that more will speak up, after their primaries. Because they are cowards.

We're about to find out.

Long before Republicans get to play a card about whether Trump is better than (insert Dem name here), they have to decide if he truly is the best that their party has to offer. An incumbent President isn't automatically the nominee. So, Republicans, are you going to offer up a blatant, unapologetic racist or can your party do better?

Before we had Trump v. Hillary we had Trump v. EVERYBODY in the Republican Party (barely an exaggeration) and Republicans said loud and clear that Trump was the best their party had to offer. So, they can choose again. Is the racist still the best of the party?

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 11:50

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The chapters will be people like paul ryan retconning how he stood up to trump.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 11:54

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jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

Mark Sanford's political career died on the Appalachian Trail several years ago, he's got nothing to lose.

Nearly unbelievably, he won his Senate seat after his hiking adventures.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 11:56

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j p o wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

Mark Sanford's political career died on the Appalachian Trail several years ago, he's got nothing to lose.

Nearly unbelievably, he won his Senate seat after his hiking adventures.

It was a house seat.

Of course I give him credit. Everyone else caught says, "I am sorry, I love my wife, this was a mistake." When he was caught he was all, "I did it because I am in love with this woman." So he gets points for honesty and being unique.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [DieselPete] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 12:04

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I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

Suffer Well.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [chaparral] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 12:15

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chaparral wrote:

j p o wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

Mark Sanford's political career died on the Appalachian Trail several years ago, he's got nothing to lose.

Nearly unbelievably, he won his Senate seat after his hiking adventures.

It was a house seat.

Of course I give him credit. Everyone else caught says, "I am sorry, I love my wife, this was a mistake." When he was caught he was all, "I did it because I am in love with this woman." So he gets points for honesty and being unique.

TIL that South Carolina is slightly less stupid than I thought they were. :)

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 12:33

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Just watched Republican and former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh shred Trump on CNN. Came right out with it; he's a racist and I can't and don't support him.

They followed that right up with George Will in a scathing attack on Trump.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 12:52

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Quote:

Sanford said. “I feel convicted.”

That's an unfortunate word choice. He'll need to do better.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 13:44

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jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

jmh wrote:

BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Not correct. Bill Weld announced several months ago.

Yeah, that's what I said. Nobody.

Mark Sanford's political career died on the Appalachian Trail several years ago, he's got nothing to lose.

This. Although how many of us thought Trump was viable four years ago. :)

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Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 14:05

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jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 14:08

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bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

exactly my thoughts

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 14:15

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bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

I keep hoping that Trump would resign, Haley becomes vice president, and then she runs.

I miss YaHey

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 14:18

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Justgeorge wrote:

bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

I keep hoping that Trump would resign, Haley becomes vice president, and then she runs.

Since we are talking fantasy land... if only there was a path for Republicans in Congress to help the current occupant out of office sooner than the primary mud slinging and take back their party. Might be too late for that however.

Suffer Well.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 15:39

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No kidding. Part of me thinks it's crazy that the GOP can look across at the dysfunction on the Left and are still willing to roll the dice on the Assclown in Chief costing the party almost certain re-election. Really, voting Trump out is about the only thing that all the different Dem factions can agree on. What is he bringing to the table at this point that is still helping the GOP more than he's driving away independents & more principled conservatives?

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 15:51

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jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I would love to see it work, but, I don't see it happening. If anyone of note ran against Trump, it would end the Party and throw the 2020 election to Team Donkey. Regardless of who won the primary, a sizeable faction of the GOP would be butthurt. There is no way the supporters of the loser would rally around the winner. GOP turnout would be record low and Team Donkey would take the White House and Congress.

It happened in Wisconsin in 2018. Leah Vukmir, a blue blood GOP state senator, narrowly beat out Kevin Nicholson, a Trump-backed candidate. The voters to gave Trump Wisconsin in 2016 did not show up to vote in 2018. Vukmir (D) lost the US Senate race to Tammy Baldwin (D) and an ridiculous Tony Evers (D) took the Governor's mansion from Scott Walker (R).

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Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 15:56

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Justgeorge wrote:

bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

I keep hoping that Trump would resign, Haley becomes vice president, and then she runs.

I didn't think Trump would run for a second term. Then again, I was 100% convinced he would not win the 2016 election. Now, I think he just might try to change the Constitution and stay for a third term ...

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Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 18:57

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jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

She is golden and just may be the first woman president. She needs not to upset the apple cart with an early move. If she is smart she will continue to lay low till Trump is run out of town in defeat and a democrat is in office. Then it will be her turn in the barrel. She will not need additional help.

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 20:24

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BLeP wrote:

I think that the saddest part of this so far is that nobody in the GOP is willing to challenge the Racist in Chief.

Who would be stupid enough to do it? Challenging a sitting President is usually death. Trump killed Cruz and little Rubio last time when he was just a real-estate guy, who wants to look bad in 2020? Meanwhile, Pence is biding his time. If Trump is still alive in 2024 he'll come out in favor of his VP as a way to lengthen his legacy. That means Pence will already have a base to build on. Unless Trump dumps him as VP.

"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jul 16, 19 22:59

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jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

Here is why she doesn't run now: no upside.

Brutal battle with Trump weakens her in the general. If she wins both battles (and I think she would, fairly easily as the Dems have yet to put anyone with her CV up) she is faced with a VERY divided base & split congress. And in the face of a must-come-soon recession. She loses to Trump in primaries & Trump loses general she is blamed for loss (see G. Ford). She wins & 1/5 - 1/4 of Trumps voters will simply not vote for her. Problem with Repub math is it used to be win FL or OH and R's win. That time is past. Too many traditionally blue states that went against HC (worst candidate ever) but too many reds now purple, and the math is turning way against the traditional R candidate....and Trump has severely worsened the brand with an entire generation.

She is young. 4 years of raking in $$ (personally)/building allegiances/bidding her time....there is no downside, outside of time. A (minor) recession is coming....though global macro matters could make it marginally worse + prolong it. Trump has to run the table, again, which against a main-stream Dem/centrist would not happen. But the Dems seem intent on harri karri. Bloomberg, wisely, has apparently decided to sit out the shit-show '20 is going to be.

Lots of moving pieces.

'20 is going to be interesting.

I can't wait for it to be over.

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Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 5:01

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ironmayb wrote:

bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

exactly my thoughts

No one has a prayer of running against Trump. First of all I dont see anyone out of politics other than Trump , that would be willing sacrifice everything be president. Both parties are doing there best to scare anyone not in the club to run. And although many on here completely fall for some milktoast like a kasich or a romney, the rest of reality doesn't.
Besides... why should someone else run? Who here thinks that the idiotic claimes of ( add your favorite 'ism here)
wont be lobbed against anyone that is running agaist the left?
Remember that racist pos John Mcain? How about that sexist murderer Mit Romney? Yea....

Re: Mark Sanford mulling primary challenge to Trump [Justgeorge] [ In reply to ]

Jul 17, 19 6:37

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Justgeorge wrote:

bluemonkeytri wrote:

jmh wrote:

I think someone like Nikki Haley could take the party's nomination and have a good chance in the general election- especially against Biden.

She's been coy on Trump -calls him out selectively and infrequently, but has put enough distance from him to make herself not one of his team- and might be the only person to be able to get elected after working in the Trump Administration.

She checks a bunch of my boxes. I like that she was a governor and has some experience in the executive branch dealing with a legislative branch. A little light on national security and foreign policy- her couple of years as US Ambassador the UN are a good start, but she needs some additional help from the right running mate or the right National Security team.

I agree and wish she would run. However, who in their right mind would challenge Trump now, get bogged down in the infantile mud-slinging that would inevitably occur, instead of waiting 4 more years and not having to deal trying to take away his rabid base?

I keep hoping that Trump would resign, Haley becomes vice president, and then she runs.

Because if you wait, you end up having to suck up to him in some of the worst ways possible in order to get an endorsement from him and get his cult to follow you now instead of him.

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