It is interesting whenever there is a Gwen sighting. I love her lots!! I do hope she comes back to S/B/R rather than pursue the R...

A dreamchaser for sure...

She aint going to long distance tri, if she goes back to tri at all, which she won’t. She’s been very clear about that. She’s riding hard now and swimming with Nike “masters” for aerobic fitness while she recovers from surgery, nothing more

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Awe shucks. Was figuring Gwen was our best chance to get an American Kona Champion.... sigh...

She is still our best chance... even if she won't do it!

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If Katie Z goes long anytime she would be a force much stronger than Gwen would ever be. her swim and bike would have her way infront of a Gwen.

I wouldn't completely right off Sarah True, she still seems to be finding her way at IM distance, if she gets everything dialed in and Ryf has an off day/injury?

As already pointed out Katie Z if she decides to go long has all the tools.

True and Haug were better at short distance than Ryf, so it's not insane to think that they just end up being better than her

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Watch her interviews.... she doesn’t actually say it, but you can read between the lines..... she hates triathlon. Especially long course triathlon.

We won’t see her in triathlon ever again.

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I think so as well.

This is my way of thinking also, you never know when it could fall into place for either one of them or both.

never ever ever

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

She basically outright says it. She explicitly says she doesn't like swimming.

The first indication that she was injured was that you started to see her cycling a lot. Most of the Bowerman team are swimming and/or cycling when injured and for cross training.

So I just wanted to share, I got to ride with Gwen tonight in the Innsbruck 3-lap Zwift race!! I do this race every week, and as my typical race goes - I stay with the front group until the "leg snapper" climb where my fat 175 lb butt gets dropped. On the descent I pray there are some other stragglers that can form a decent 2nd group. Last week this didn't happen and I had to TT solo until the last 2 miles!! This week though, there was a small group of 3 other cyclists that came together at the bottom of the hill. And then all of a sudden I look in the rear view screen and who's :06 seconds behind -- Gwen!! And she closed the gap quickly to join the group.

We rode together in a small group of 5 for the next climb and 8.5 miles. We all took turns pulling and working together. It was so cool!! But then with 4 miles to go, three other cyclists surged out of nowhere and Gwen and I got caught napping at the back. Heck, it was fun while it lasted!!

And this is why I love Zwift and virtual online technology platforms. How else would a nobody like myself, ever get to ride with a Gold Medal Queen like Gwen.

Can someone please post a link where Gwen J says she hates triathlon. I'd like to see that. She hates the sport that brought her olympic gold??? I'm stunned.

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I’ve never heard her say anything that she hates “triathlon” as others have suggested. Heck, she still swim, bikes, and runs on a regular basis to this day. However, I have read or heard interviews with her that at this stage in her life she is not a fan of the lifestyle/travel/commitment that it takes to race at the the elite level.

Me too. Best in the world at something but retires to become a hobby jogger?

You guys really think Gwen is our best chance at Kona??? I think at this point Jocelyn McCauley is a far more likely candidate.

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She's smart enough not to say outright she "hates" anything. That's a terrible thing to say for an "PR" driven athlete. But it's very evident she wanted no part of ITU post Rio.

“The major reason I’m trying to do marathon is because I’ve accomplished what I wanted to accomplish in triathlon,” she said. “If I hadn’t gotten that gold [in Rio], it definitely would have been a failure. I remember going into the Olympics thinking if I get silver or bronze, it’s a failure.”

“My time away from triathlon allowed me to reflect and set new goals,” Jorgensen said. “My biggest passion has always been running out of swim/bike/run, and I also feel this isn’t the first big challenge I’ve had before.”


ETA: Added article quotes are from:https://olympics.nbcsports.com/...on-triathlon-switch/

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Exercise Physiology
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Best in the world at something but retires to become a well paid hobby jogger?



Fixed for accuracy.

It was the perfect gap/transition for GJ into post racing career. Get to stay home and be a mom and wife every single day, only travel 4-6 weekends of the year vs traveling the world at min likely 10+ times AROUND THE WORLD in order to race. Besides the fact that she gets to live in the U.S. now and home every single night- that's big for a "mom". Gets to train on someone else's dime, gets to go for an Olympic spot and if it all crumbles, who f'ing cares- she won gold in Triathlon. So do it for this olympic cycle, then transition into whatever life/role she wants. She's set for life. She could easily get good sum of money on speaking tours if she wanted to go that route.

This move was all house money- just 1 more shot at glory and who really cares if it really had no real possibility beyond a "goal" and dream to try and accomplish.

So whether she outright said she "hated" the sport or not- it was pretty obvious why she moved on.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II

She has said before in interviews these exact words: “I hated swimming,” “I hated getting into the cold pool,” which doesn’t bother me as we all dislike certain aspects of what we do.

What DOES bother me is the line she has said over and over again: “I didn’t pick triathlon, triathlon picked me.” Sound like sour grapes.

Why say something so negative? Md especially the way she says it with such distaste.

I like her, I’ve met her and she did an amazing thing. I could do w much less Stanley her kid in her videos but that is first child syndrome and believing that everyone cares about what your kid are for breakfast.

I just don’t see why she has to say that “... Triathlon picked me,” line.

Imagine being so good at something that it's not even your first choice of activity yet you're still the best in a world of 8 billion people at it.

You don't have the perspective to judge her. Elite humans are operating at a completely different level.

If you don't like it, her comments, or her IG feed, or her pride in her child, go pound sand.

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

In all fairness, triathlon DID pick her. She was a collegiate swimmer/runner who went on to a regular job at an accounting firm before being recruited by triathlon. By all accounts it was never on her radar, at least not at an elite level.

and so she gives an honest assessment instead of the usual marketing boilerplate and people criticize her comments. People just don't want to hear how easy something is to an elite athlete.

Like Matt Damon's character doing math with the PhDs in Good Will Hunting.... "do you even know how fucking easy this is for me??"

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

I dont think it's sour grapes as much as showcasing exactly why the moment she could leave triathlon she did. This was in all intent purpose an business transaction between USAT and GJ that lasted what 7ish years. She was given lots of money/support along the way in her pursuit of winning a gold medal because then USAT received more money from the USOC. So USAT was invested in her ability to win a gold medal- she's a federation dream. Come off the bike 90s down and still win races? So there's some "truth" in the fact that USAT came at her "hard" to give triathlon a try and then stay in the sport. Of course in the early stages it was more "hey give it a try and see what you think", but she had pedigree very early in her career and there was certainly some "pressure" to get the best results from her.

ETA: But it's actually her own itu career pathway that showcased exactly why she'll never come back to triathlon. She understood exactly what it took to train as a pro athlete (look at how she trained pre London '12) vs train as a world class athlete (steps she took post London '12). It was that "investment" in leaving the US to join an international squad and travel the world and race the world's best that allowed her to truly understand and get the most out of herself. It's why she'll be the 1st to admit, no way in hell she could just train in Portland and meet the demands of competition and win with that setup.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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I've thought this all along. Marathon is a transition so she can stay home with the baby for a few years as the ITU travel was too much.

Gwen is on The Morning Shake Out podcast this week. It’s a great interview with her partly because Mario is the best at pulling the interesting things out of an athlete.

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Dave Jewell
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Why is it so hard to fathom that someone did a job that they were recruited for but perhaps didn’t enjoy?? Doesn’t sound sour to me at all. We all just assume pro athletes love their jobs and that simply isn’t true.

Completely agree about Jocelyn.

Not me. She's obviously very talented but I just think she's so boring otherwise. Her interviews seem like she's reading from cue cards and she never has anything interesting to say. Paint on the wall. I don't wish ill for her, I just hope she doesn't come back to triathlon.

Probably should go get my flame suit ready.

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Not at all. I totally agree with you. I often wonder if she has problem with automatic doors due to lack of charisma

Fixed it for you.

people take it personally when someone isn't like them. They can't relate. But Gwen Jorgensen is not like us... she is an elite athlete who was the best in the world at her sport. She should make no apologies.

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

Chrissie was a distinctly average olympic distance athlete and beatable over 70.3, these things have a history of not correlating. You'd go as far to say that Frodo was the anomoly and not the other way round.

I’d like to see her race 140.6. I don’t think it will happen but it’d be fun. It sounds like she is enjoying the time with her family. Side note, I’d rather see Shalane Flanagan come to triathlon! Killer runner and I believe she has a swimming history. She made it sound like a possibility in some podcast I heard her on. Learning to cycle is the easiest part!

Shun the unbeliever... lol

She was a great story for the US triathlon scene. She could be a great story again, sort of a second chance narrative. Can she win IMs? I'm probably with you on that one.

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Doesn’t Sarah True’s 4th place in her 1st Kona count as having a chance?

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I have to admit I find it a little amusing that after everyone put shit on the poster who called Linsey Corbin a Tier 3 (and then changed it to Tier 2) pro not one person,that I can see, has added her name to the list of "America's best chance" in Kona.

Linsey is my favorite female pro, but lets be honest.....she is a Tier 2 pro & no Tier 2 pro is gonna win Kona.

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It would yes normally, but I think Joeclyn has a lot of momentum and more importantly seems incredibly motivated. You could make an argument for Heather Jackson as well finishing 3rd at now still only 35.

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Yep,she is great as are a bunch of other female pro's I know who accept that they will never win Kona.I have mentioned previously about the triathlon scene in Asia and how there is a group of pretty smart pro triathletes (male and female) who have made a very nice living out of racing in Asia at what most would consider a "B grade" tour,very much like the Asian golf tour.I would suggest that some of those B pro's are actually doing better financially than some of those who are still trying to make it to the big time in Kona.

What the hell does this have to do with who is the USA's best chance at Kona?

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Ah Slowbitch at its best where people can't have a conversation that is off tangent but still related.If you bothered to stop and think about it you may have thought ," I never thought about that side of the pro tour " instead you remain blinkered in your USA only way of thinking.

Your talk about an Asian B tour is the 2nd tangent of this thread........We were talking about Gwen, then who is the best US chance at Kona. No one wants to talk about some low level pros who have been able to make decent money racing in Asia.

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You are a very narrow minded person but are most likely unable to see why.The conversation had moved to discussing other pro's and NOT just Gwen.It moved further once I mentioned the "B Grade" narrative.Conversations morph, kind of like the obvious statement you made in the Taren thread when you told us all that Challenge used to be a Ironman event.

Not disappointed at all in this thread. Starts out as convo about Gwen going for a 40 mile group ride and pondering her chances at long course. Turns into Gwen IS Americas best chance at Kona and you are an asshole if you do not repeat it. I love this place.

You guys can’t see the forest for the trees.

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You will have to explain which is the forest and which is the trees since it is obvious to no one but you.

Exactly.

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At what point will someone realise and mive this conversation to Lionel Sanders America's best hope of winning Kona ?

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