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EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out"
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The whole thing between the UK and the EU as regards the UK's exit from the European Union, known more popularly as "Brexit," is interesting. And it looks like the EU is taking back control from British PM Theresa May and giving her what amounts to a two-week extension to get a Brexit deal through her country's Parliament, by April 12th (instead of the original drop-dead date of March 29th), or face the crash-out, or hard exit, option.

"European Union leaders took back control of the Brexit process from British Prime Minister Theresa May, saying Friday they believe the risks were too great and that action was needed to protect the smooth running of the world’s biggest trading bloc. …

At marathon late night talks in Brussels, they rejected May’s request to extend the Brexit deadline from March 29 — just one week away — until June 30.

Instead, the leaders agreed to extend the date until May 22, on the eve of EU elections, if she can persuade the British parliament to endorse the Brexit deal. Failing that, May would have until April 12 to choose a new path."


So it's a two-week grace period for May to organize a THIRD vote on the SAME package? How's that vote going to be any different from the last two, given the British elite don't seem to want Brexit anyway? And if she fails, the EU is going to proceed with the crash-out option? Am I reading that right, LR UK denizens and EU folks?

Even at that, if the British prime minister is somehow successful in getting her legislation through Commons it looks like she'll then only have another six weeks, until May 22nd, to pass the rest of the necessary legislation for exit. It looks to me, an outsider, like the EU drew a hard line to protect itself before its elections occur because they can't figure out how to legally carry the UK as a member, on even a temporary basis, without real elections in the UK for their MEPs.

May, who wanted a much longer extension, looks to have bollixed that up as well, as she couldn't seem to adequately explain to EU leaders just what she planned to do with it, other than running aimlessly around in circles.

Great job, Theresa. I'm sure Churchill and Disraeli and Thatcher and all the other more formidable British PMs are smiling down on you right about now. Heh-heh.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Factually not true

The Eau said

Pass deal by 12th April and extension is to May 7

Dont pass deal and its no deal exit on May 7

BUT if parliament determines they can agree on something else AND by April 12 agree to participate in eu elections. Extension will be longer to facilitate new deal

Didn't bother reading your post as the headline misrepresents or misunderstood what was agreed
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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https://mobile.twitter.com/...?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Best writers on this are shippers and Peston on twitter
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
Factually not true

The Eau said

Pass deal by 12th April and extension is to May 7

Dont pass deal and its no deal exit on May 7

BUT if parliament determines they can agree on something else AND by April 12 agree to participate in eu elections. Extension will be longer to facilitate new deal

Didn't bother reading your post as the headline misrepresents or misunderstood what was agreed

Just to clarify, the extension date is 22 May, not 7 May.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry. Correct. Was up all night and 7th was being discussed as EUCO meet on 10th

Most likely outcome ofeaks from #10 correct are indicative votes.

Something other than no deal will win. What? Id guess Norway ish
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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The talk on NPR has been all over. Claims she's a weak leader and not very astute at working with their congress. That, or claiming that voters have genuine buyer's remorse. To claiming the British want to be very British at this point and "just get it over with" no matter what. To claiming that "dark forces" ala the Trump "deep state theory" are denying the will of the people.

All I know is, it sounds a mess.

Question, did any of the hard border with Ireland and N Ireland get sorted? Or is that still going to be a problem without a deal. I had assumed this brought some level of peace in that area for some time and could stir up some problems anew.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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The market is certainly not pricing a no-deal outcome.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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The border is like the rabbit......

northern Ireland, the poorest part of the UK gets fucked by Brexit AND it is NOT possible for there to be no border (somewhere) if we leave EU. It either needs to be in Irish sea, or between North and south OR between the Republic of Ireland and the EU

The last is a non starter, so how does the UK of GB and NI leave, if the border is in Irish sea its no longer the UK and if its between North and south it will give all my relatives the excuse to start the troubles all over again.......

It's a enigma mystery something

And to solve this we got chamberlin
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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No, but weirdly this will almost certainly destroy labour and tory as the two party system

In the 60-70's 90% voted for one of the two. Now its 60% vote for them. The tories will split on this
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
No, but weirdly this will almost certainly destroy labour and tory as the two party system

In the 60-70's 90% voted for one of the two. Now its 60% vote for them. The tories will split on this

David Cameron must be feeling so proud.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
https://youtu.be/Zy7OdvPvFyU

The border is like the rabbit......

northern Ireland, the poorest part of the UK gets fucked by Brexit AND it is NOT possible for there to be no border (somewhere) if we leave EU. It either needs to be in Irish sea, or between North and south OR between the Republic of Ireland and the EU

The last is a non starter, so how does the UK of GB and NI leave, if the border is in Irish sea its no longer the UK and if its between North and south it will give all my relatives the excuse to start the troubles all over again.......

It's a enigma mystery something

And to solve this we got chamberlin

So, you're saying it's all proper fucked?

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Can't comment on book and speaking tour
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I'm saying it could have gone better
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
I'm saying it could have gone better

Is it fair to say that the quite simple concepts of immigration and "I'd like to control my own peoples, thank you" sovereignty were the foremost issues driving the 2016 referendum?

And upon execution, the complexity and hardship tied into customs workings at ports, delays getting goods to market, settling on acceptable agricultural inspection standards, finding fruit pickers, re-igniting the troubles with a hard border in Ireland and on and on...... provides pause to the elected officials, both tory and labour, and has them saying "what the hell were we thinking?"

Maybe the referendum voting public ain't all that smart after all. Am I alone in thinking there is a parallel to be drawn with your old colony here across the pond and our current Trumpism of anti- immigration and the MAGA America First sovereignty stance?
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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I think it may be a bit more nuanced than just immigration but it's also clear as fucking day that almost none of those in government / power have any understanding of the issues involved beyond idiotic slogans
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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I think it's a combination of things. The public certainly didn't understand the complexity of what leave would mean, and were misled by the Leave campaign about how simple it would all be.

But I also think there is a fair bit of truth in the fact that a majority of our politicians and a vast majority of the civil servants responsible for negotiating and implementing Leave are pro-EU and that has made the negotiations even harder than they already would have been. At best they have been negotiating a course of action which they have serious doubts about, at worst some of them have been actively trying to undermine the process in the hope that Brexit can still be avoided.

We can never know whether a majority government that was unified and fully committed to Brexit could have made a better fist of it. They certainly couldn't have done any worse! I don't think it could ever have been as simple as the Leave campaign made out, but a strong PM with a majority behind her could at least have got a deal through Parliament, even if it wasn't as good a deal as we were promised.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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And to add. If reporting about cabinet is true and decision making and discussions are being centred around tory performance in Council or potential European elections then they are not governing in the national interest.

I think it has also become clear, that outside the civil service, the ignorance on our economy and the impact of having been in the EU by the political class has been astonishing
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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The problem is that if you take as your starting point that the civil service are strongly in favour of Remain and therefore either deliberately or subconsciously impeding Brexit, then that would go some way to explaining the briefings. If your worldview is that Brexit is stupid and destructive then you are naturally going to see any attempt to implement Brexit as being against the national interest. I certainly don't see how what is going on currently is designed to benefit the Tories.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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This.


Best summing up for me on where we are in Brexit is "the UK is losing the war it declared on itself"
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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As difficult as it is to imagine. A philosophical split between the Mogg wing and the Rudd wing would actually be worse

Of course it looks like they will be saved from this by the complete intransigence of the DUP

The tories are not, in exactly the same way Labour are not, a single party and the sooner May recognises the incompatibility of the two wings the sooner she'd get a majority

I believe May has, and she demonstrated it at the weekend again, her loyalty to keeping bill cash etc in the party outweighs the national interest
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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I think the best summing up is:

We are run by idiots who are speaking only to other idiots so they don't realise they are idiots.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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dah5609 wrote:
This.


Best summing up for me on where we are in Brexit is "the UK is losing the war it declared on itself"

That is understandable to this Yank! Seems we just might have declared war on ourselves too!
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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cartsman wrote:
I think it's a combination of things. The public certainly didn't understand the complexity of what leave would mean, and were misled by the Leave campaign about how simple it would all be.

But I also think there is a fair bit of truth in the fact that a majority of our politicians and a vast majority of the civil servants responsible for negotiating and implementing Leave are pro-EU and that has made the negotiations even harder than they already would have been. At best they have been negotiating a course of action which they have serious doubts about, at worst some of them have been actively trying to undermine the process in the hope that Brexit can still be avoided.

We can never know whether a majority government that was unified and fully committed to Brexit could have made a better fist of it. They certainly couldn't have done any worse! I don't think it could ever have been as simple as the Leave campaign made out, but a strong PM with a majority behind her could at least have got a deal through Parliament, even if it wasn't as good a deal as we were promised.

Thanks for the response. I'll pull 2 lines out:

"Public didn't understand the complexity..... and were misled by Leave campaign about how simple it would all be" --and-- "whether a majority government that was unified and fully committed to Brexit could have made a better fist of it"

Question: Was/Is there incontrovertible proof that the same Russian actors that weighed in our election did not do the same with Brexit and as such helped further simplify the issue for the voter?

Question: Would that majority, because of parliament rules, basically say to those not in power you need not provide input here. We got this. And then leave the minority to side of the curb even though there was a split within the majority?
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [gofigure] [ In reply to ]
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Can I have a go?

To question 1. We didn't need Russians we had Dominic cummings

2) Tony Blair certainly tried to do that when almost all bills could be passed on first and second readings irrespective of what the opposition thought of them.

Though you would assume that on a manifesto issue a majority would be united and therefore would not be split

The tories do not have a majority. If they had a 20-100 seat majority and whipped all motions then there'd be consequences.

If the tories had the same majority but no unified position on Brexit, they could offer free votes, which might be sensible if whipping would fail.

Basically a whopping majority that's United with a mandate can do what they want. This is not that
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
I think it may be a bit more nuanced than just immigration but it's also clear as fucking day that almost none of those in government / power have any understanding of the issues involved beyond idiotic slogans
The thing that is fairly incomprehensible to me, is how anyone in the British government thought that they would actually be in a favourable bargaining position with respect to trade deal terms vs. the EU bloc. Aside from the financial centres in London, is (was) there anything that the UK has, that the rest of the EU does not have a lot more of?

Less is more.
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Big Endian] [ In reply to ]
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Kebabs
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Re: EU Puts Foot Down: Tells May/UK "Pass a Bexit Deal Soon or It's a Crash-Out" [Big Endian] [ In reply to ]
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1. Bad food
2. Bad weather
3. English people

actually strike the last one. It seems like all the English people are in France and Spain on the beaches.

Remember - It's important to be comfortable in your own skin... because it turns out society frowns on wearing other people's
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