you know that Sage is an ultra trail runner right? And that he is also coming out of an injury, correct?

Nah, its all because he doesn't eat meat and the other dude does.

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Your a quick study;)

He was probably injured BECAUSE he doesn't eat meat.


Good on Jesse for the win! meat or no meat.

What the hell with that title, are you insane ? Do you reduce performance difference between two athlete to eating meat ?

He is focused on sub 2:19 April 7. So he would have had to run this race at 1:07

Or: "Pro triathlete beats pro runner with eating disorder"

"Pro triathlete and meat eater beats pro runner with amino acid deficiency"

Lange beats dozens of vegans at Ironman World Championship.

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Lange drafts

Hehehehehehehehhe

He might've run a bit faster if he wasn't asking everyone he passed "Have you considered a plant-based diet?"

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Thank you.

lol- this thread is the best.

Yeah, I don't think this necessarily hampers his chances of hitting his goal but I haven't listened to his post race vlog. I wouldn't attribute any of this to his diet and definitely am not diminishing any of what Jesse Thomas did because that is amazing. Sage did hit on this on a thread in letsrun that basically played out almost the same as this one.

I think injury, he is trying to hit the gym more for some muscle imbalances he has mentioned on his channel, 100+ mile week, and potentially it just being an off day? I do hope he hits that goal because he has been chasing it for the last like 4 years! He probably should have wore his rockets and not the tracer 2s :)

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Lange's meat-farts stank keeps others from drafting, giving him the win. Plus, he was able to draft more pleasantly off of vegans and their beautiful flower farts.

Lange is vegetarian.

Jesse Thomas is targeting Eugene marathon.

"Pro triathlete beats vegan. Nothing beats bacon in a morning"

For now.

Or Ex-NCAA Steeplechase All American and Stanford Steeplechase school record holder beats trail runner?

https://gostanford.com/...8430977.aspx?path=xc

Thomas was an elite runner for cryin' out loud!

Why?

Accounting for the elevation gain?

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Roger, I know this thread is just a wind-up to bring out the vegan haters and it sure did! But I'm glad you brought awareness to Sage. I honestly didn't know much about him and just looked him up. Impressive guy (vegan or not...who cares and what's your point??). A 1:09 is smoking fast and he ran a 2:19:50 at the Houston marathon in 2018 (holy sh*t). Few people can do that!!! His Instagram page is pretty cool too! Just started following him. Seems like a nice genuine guy and in the end that's what truly matters...right??

C'mon people, we are better than some of these comments. Keep it classy ;-)

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Pancakes are vegan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GteFgiRK-2U

I'm actually more impressed by this:

Athlete and musician!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuSGGAdncaC/

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Now you make me wonder who you are even though I don't think we met Joyce. Anyways, he ran 2:16 at SD RnR years back. I was following him since then. Sometimes he wastes too much energy preaching veganism that can be used for training. He has a very good vlog series on YouTube. Perhaps it's just age (10k hour rule)

I don't know enough about Sage to speak about your statement. My take is that he's young and he's excited to find something that seems to work well for him (2:16?? wow).....I'm sure he means no harm.

Believe it or not I can relate to the "haters" on here. One of the former great US pro-runners I used to follow is very religious and I was a self-proclaimed atheist with a strong contempt for Christianity (I'm not proud of that). I remember buying his book because I was so intrigued with someone able to run a sub 1 hour half marathon (no names please, runners will know who this is). But I could not read it initially as it felt "preachy" and rubbed me the wrong way. I tossed it in a pile of books and forgot about it for a while. Over the years I've become much more open-minded in regards to religion and fully respect and appreciate others' religious beliefs. While I have no plans of "finding Jesus" myself, I really do find value in many teachings. I later read his book and was able to take away a lot of good advice from a running and a spiritual perspective. My point is that we can learn so much more with an open mind, even when something is opposite to our beliefs.

I am never going to try a keto diet (although nothing is absolute), but I sometimes read the threads to learn more about it and other diets and to gain more knowledge about athlete nutrition. Every diet has some good take-away advice or recipes. I recently found a nice keto coconut pancake recipe we might try this weekend. While a pure keto diet works for others it's not a good fit for me. Same with plant-based diets. While it works for some there are too many variables to say it works for everyone. I read a couple posts on your blog since you made it public and I would not recommend a vegan diet for you, but you already know that. (my motto: eat what makes you feel good)

I feel like ST could be a really great forum if we could all be a little nicer and more tolerant of each other. There are thousands of us on here who read this stuff looking for advice and help. Again I don't mean to stand on a soap box but it does sadden me when we can't play nice on here. And I think more people would contribute if this platform was a bit more friendly towards opposing views and beliefs.

I haven't met you Roger but was curious about why you would post a thread like this. I did enjoy the documentary "We are Triathletes" and your wife Bessy was amazing! Congrats to her at Roth!

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D'Kid was vegetarian for about two years. I dabbled, but it didn't stick; not as a full-time diet choice, anyway. I saw no substantial impact in performance, either way

I gathered enough vegetarian cooking knowledge & skill that I will throw together a meatless meal from time to time - especially handy now that it's Lent

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Sage is a class act. Just wanted to post that he just released the follow up to the race:

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Shut the fuck up.

lol did I strike a nerve with you??

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That's a very disproportionate response, and not very fair to 70Trigirl at all

She put a LOT of time & effort into her well-constructed post, and "Shut the fuck up" is the best you can do?

That's a fucking shame; please try better next time

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Not at all. It was a joke and meant to be read as such. Glad you lol'ed. FWIW I read the OP as a joke, and based on the responses I'm not the only one. Some people (and apparently RandMart) need to lighten up. It's the internet.

After I laughed at your original response....I then wondered if I had offended you by mentioning my atheism....although I've morphed into more of an open-minded agnostic. Glad I didn't!! Religion is a touchy but fascinating subject. Many interesting topics in life are not appropriate for discussion it seems. So hopefully I didn't offend anyone.

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I'm sorry; you misunderstood. I was speaking for a strictly mathematical standpoint. She used 471 words, you used only 4

You could've taken the time to pad your argument a little, so kind of even things out

Otherwise, we're cool

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What I love about my fellow athletes is that we have the attention span to not only read, but count those 471 words!

And in fairness, I would have preferred a more lengthy response. I work from home and sit on a lot of webex conference calls. You guys keep me entertained from time to time :-)

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my atheism....although I've morphed into more of an open-minded agnostic.

You're a little closer to that PR. :)

CEO of Gluten-free/Vegan sport bar Professional Athlete beats Plant-Based Professional Ultra Runner is a little more accurate.

You can't begin to imagine my disappointment that your posts don't rhyme

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Only about half of their products are vegan, just for the record.

Just to refresh, for my own education

Beer has yeast in it, which is alive, so it's not vegetarian/vegan, right?

Yeah, I'm still out

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Prior to this posting I did research JT's diet. Very liberal with meat based burgers

Incorrect. Usually the issue with a beer or spirits will be the filter that is used in production. Bone char is used for some spirits. Guinness used to not be vegan because it was filtered through fish bladders (yummmmm). They changed that in 2015 and is now vegan. The other reasoning, obviously, would be if it contained an animal product such as honey.

Typically, the determining factor is if something has a central nervous system.

Thanks for clearing that up

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Honey has a central nervous system?

The damage done by Disney movies is unsurmountable. The day they start showing antripomorphic veggies in Disney movies humanity will be doomed, unless we can survive on water and air.

So, you've never heard of VeggieTales?









NOTE: Not a Disney product
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeggieTales

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I'm sure you saw his wife created Picky Bars because his gluten & dairy filled farts smelled too bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, they use honey in some of their products.

We are doomed, the end is near!

Well steeplechase is like trail running so there is that.

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I'm kind of excited about this [and this is CERTAINLY Lavender Room content] because I love the interpretations of Bible stories and Christian values, as well as the Silly Songs

YMMV

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Up to the date, Sage gets checked at comrades ultra marathon, and she eats red meat:

https://safrica.pres5.com/...-in-red-meat-boosts/

More so, he is out of excuses for poor marathon performance, as "I'm an ultra runner" clearly defeated here

Why is this such a big deal for you?

Can you summarise what the point is you are trying to make about a Vegan or Vegetarian diet?

Was this supposed to be in pink? Feels like it.

He feels guilty for eating living beings so has to justify it by saying it will help his performance.

Is the right answer.

Each to their own - live and let live etc.

I turned vegan 3 years ago and will never go back. I feel great, have lost weight and my triathlon performance has never been better (at 51yo). That said, the health benefits are a bonus. I turned vegan for animal welfare first and environmental reasons second.

For some reason omnivores get very defensive about veganism. We are NOT COMING FOR YOUR BURGERS, so chill and respect people's choices.

Maybe you don't come for their burgers, but there are a lot of aggressive vegans out there. Worst part about it, I had to change from vegetarian to flexitarian in order to eat meat every time I go out with some of my aggressive vegan friends.

when i read through this thread, i don't see any aggressive vegan comments. i do see a typical manifestation: folks getting irked at how other folks choose to live their lives, as in, the very existence of an alternate diet somehow negatively affects yours.

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Of course you don't see it here. People on ST are nice. But ST doesn't necessarily reflect society very well.

Otherwise we could have closed down every ironman after 10 hours.

Yea I guess it was to be in the pink. What is not in pink, is his excuse for failing to OTQ because he is an "ultra marathoner" . The Greda, has hit OTQ. Ultramarathoner Jim Walmsley also hit OTQ . Can see that here in triathlon too, many ironman folk looking down at the shorter course racers that go quick

Oh, come on. If that was really the reason then you need to grow a little spine. There are plenty of people eating the SAD that try to push me to consume animal products on a regular basis. I have yet to let them get to me to the point to seriously consider changing my ways. If your vegan friends can't take that vegetarian works for you now then shame on them.

Some people are vegan and some people are pushy. The two are unrelated, you just happen to be friends with people who are both. I'm yet to meet a pushy vegan. If anything, I don't even know people are vegan until it comes out when going restaurants. On the other hand, I can't count the number of times someone told me I need to eat meat.

We tend to draw our conclusions on the few bad (and vocal) apples.

Maybe I was not very clear. I stopped being vegetarian and started eating meat whenever we go out to seek a confrontation :)

Which is your prerogative. My advice would be not to be too greedy and eat either the small or medium size goat. Otherwise, classically, that is a confrontation you come out from badly.

Hello synthetic and All,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19166134

Abstract


Vegetarians form a non-homogenous group consisting of semivegetarians (plant food, dairy products, eggs and fish), lacto-ovo vegetarians (plant food, dairy products, eggs) and vegans (plant food only).

According to pure vegetarian ideologists, people consuming vegetarian diet have better health and live longer than nonvegetarians, because persons consuming milk, dairy products, meat, eggs and fish are at health risk.

In fact the most healthy people in Europe are inhabitants of Iceland, Switzerland and Scandinavia, consuming great amounts of food of animal origin. Meta-analysis of several prospective studies showed no significant differences in the mortality caused by colorectal, stomach, lung, prostate or breast cancers and stroke between vegetarians and "health-conscious" nonvegetarians.

In vegetarians, a decrease of ischemic heart disease mortality was observed probably due to lower total serum cholesterol levels, lower prevalence of obesity and higher consumption of antioxidants.

Very probably, an ample consumption of fruits and vegetables and not the exclusion of meat make vegetarians healthful.

Now, the largest cohort study of diet and health on more than half million of persons, the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC) study, will bring new data on the relationships between diet, lifestyle and environmental factors and the incidence of cancer, cardiovascular and other chronic diseases.

Vegetarianism is a form of food restriction; and in our overfed society, food restriction is a plus unless it results in a nutritional deficiency (Fig. 1, Tab. 2, Ref. 18).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...articles/PMC4831958/


Prevalence in running events and running performance of endurance runners following a vegetarian or vegan diet compared to non-vegetarian endurance runners: the NURMI Study
Background

Beneficial and detrimental effects of various vegetarian and vegan diets on the health status are well known. Considering the growing background numbers of vegetarians and vegans, the number of vegetarian and vegan runners is likely to rise, too. Therefore, the Nutrition and Running High Mileage (NURMI) Study was designed as a comparative study to investigate the prevalence of omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans in running events and to detect potential differences in running performance comparing these three subgroups.

Methods/design

The NURMI Study will be conducted in three steps following a cross-sectional design. Step 1 will determine epidemiological aspects of endurance runners (any distance) using a short standardized questionnaire. Step 2 will investigate dietary habits and running history from eligible participants (capable of running a half-marathon at least) using an extended standardized questionnaire. Step 3 will collect data after a running event on finishing time and final ranking as well as a post-race rating of perceived exertion, mood status, nutrient and fluid intake during the race.

Discussion

Our study will provide a major contribution to overcome the lack of data on the prevalence and running performance of vegetarian and vegan runners in endurance running events. We estimate the prevalence of vegetarians and vegans participating in a running event to be less compared to the respective proportion of vegetarians and vegans to the general population. Furthermore we will validate the subject’s self-assessment of their respective diet. This comparative study may identify possible effects of dietary behavior on running performance und may detect possible differences between the respective subgroups: omnivorous, vegetarian and vegan runners.

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I love how purposely inflammatory your title is. Chapeau!

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