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A television station in Rochester, New York, fired a meteorologist Sunday after he used a racial slur on air.
During WHEC-TV's Friday evening broadcast, Jeremy Kappell said "Martin Luther Coon Park," when referring to a downtown Rochester park named after slain civil rights movement leader Martin Luther King Jr.
In a video viewed by CNN, Kappell says "King" immediately after using the slur and continues with the broadcast.
Kappell said his use of the slur was a mistake caused by speaking too quickly.

https://www.cnn.com/...cial-slur/index.html
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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I am not sure about you, but I have never confused King with Coon. My first thought was he tried to keep his private life from his public life and failed. He can call it a mistake, but many viewers would call it racism and that would hurt the station. The easy way out was to fire him.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Depends I guess. Does he regularly make mistakes and this was the straw that broke the camels back?

Was this a one off mistake/slip of the tongue?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Should he have been fired? [jkca1] [ In reply to ]
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Agree. I grew up in a household that called black people coons, as ashamed as I am to admit that. Even before breaking down my racism and dispatching it from my life, I never came close to confusing Coon when I meant to say King. Anytime Coon was said in context of an African American person, it was purposeful.

Does it prevent the guy from being a good weatherman? Nope. But even if he's successfully kept public and private life separate until this point, he's publicly mixed them up now & that's not someone the organization should be associated with.



jkca1 wrote:
I am not sure about you, but I have never confused King with Coon. My first thought was he tried to keep his private life from his public life and failed. He can call it a mistake, but many viewers would call it racism and that would hurt the station. The easy way out was to fire him.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Depends I guess. Does he regularly make mistakes and this was the straw that broke the camels back?

Was this a one off mistake/slip of the tongue?

Pretty much this.

If this is an isolated event, then no, shouldn't be fired. He stands up and speaks publicly for a living, mistakes are going to happen sometimes because humans are human, and sometimes mistakes can be offensive even if not intended to be. If this is the case, then the statement from the mayor's office, the calls for investigation, etc. seem overblown. The station and the meteorologist should apologize publicly and move on.

If he regularly makes speaking mistakes but they're not of a potentially racist nature, then maybe he should be fired for being bad at his job.

If he regularly makes 'mistakes' that have racist overtones, then it seems more likely that he is in fact a racist and is pushing his ideology through his job, in which case he should be fired. This seems like the least likely scenario to me.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Everything is recorded these days, I wonder why CNN's video didn't show the original broadcast clip. Would be intersting to see just how he corrected himself.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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axlsix3 wrote:
A television station in Rochester, New York, fired a meteorologist Sunday after he used a racial slur on air.
During WHEC-TV's Friday evening broadcast, Jeremy Kappell said "Martin Luther Coon Park," when referring to a downtown Rochester park named after slain civil rights movement leader Martin Luther King Jr.
In a video viewed by CNN, Kappell says "King" immediately after using the slur and continues with the broadcast.
Kappell said his use of the slur was a mistake caused by speaking too quickly.

https://www.cnn.com/...cial-slur/index.html

Freudian slip

He said what he meant to say and he shouldn't be on TV.

Either you are a racist or you aren't, you can't be a "little" racist.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [Nova] [ In reply to ]
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Nova wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
A television station in Rochester, New York, fired a meteorologist Sunday after he used a racial slur on air.
During WHEC-TV's Friday evening broadcast, Jeremy Kappell said "Martin Luther Coon Park," when referring to a downtown Rochester park named after slain civil rights movement leader Martin Luther King Jr.
In a video viewed by CNN, Kappell says "King" immediately after using the slur and continues with the broadcast.
Kappell said his use of the slur was a mistake caused by speaking too quickly.

https://www.cnn.com/...cial-slur/index.html

Freudian slip

He said what he meant to say and he shouldn't be on TV.

Either you are a racist or you aren't, you can't be a "little" racist.

In that case, we are all racists and should all be fired.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
Nova wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
A television station in Rochester, New York, fired a meteorologist Sunday after he used a racial slur on air.
During WHEC-TV's Friday evening broadcast, Jeremy Kappell said "Martin Luther Coon Park," when referring to a downtown Rochester park named after slain civil rights movement leader Martin Luther King Jr.
In a video viewed by CNN, Kappell says "King" immediately after using the slur and continues with the broadcast.
Kappell said his use of the slur was a mistake caused by speaking too quickly.

https://www.cnn.com/...cial-slur/index.html


Freudian slip

He said what he meant to say and he shouldn't be on TV.

Either you are a racist or you aren't, you can't be a "little" racist.


In that case, we are all racists and should all be fired.

And by "all" I hope you mean every Homo sapien. Cause I will be the first to agree with you. It's really not just a local problem.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
Nova wrote:
axlsix3 wrote:
A television station in Rochester, New York, fired a meteorologist Sunday after he used a racial slur on air.
During WHEC-TV's Friday evening broadcast, Jeremy Kappell said "Martin Luther Coon Park," when referring to a downtown Rochester park named after slain civil rights movement leader Martin Luther King Jr.
In a video viewed by CNN, Kappell says "King" immediately after using the slur and continues with the broadcast.
Kappell said his use of the slur was a mistake caused by speaking too quickly.

https://www.cnn.com/...cial-slur/index.html


Freudian slip

He said what he meant to say and he shouldn't be on TV.

Either you are a racist or you aren't, you can't be a "little" racist.


In that case, we are all racists and should all be fired.

I agree, we all are probably racist, but we don't go around calling people coons. Especially on TV.

Everyone has something they don't like, or something that bothers them. The simple fact that people don't go spouting it out at keeps us civil. Although I definitely think their is a decline in simple civility. (At least it's in the news more.)

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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Should he have been fired? [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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mck414 wrote:
Everything is recorded these days, I wonder why CNN's video didn't show the original broadcast clip. Would be intersting to see just how he corrected himself.

He says it just like it is part of the name. '... just like it is out in Martin Luther Coon King park."

Being racist by itself isn't enough to be fired. And I don't think this by itself should mean it gets him fired.

But now I'll switch to full on judging him. Non-racists don't have slurs at the tip of their tongue. And you really can't get them to flow in your language. Do it right now to yourself. Use the slur of your choice out loud in a sentence. It isn't just that it is a bad word. I can say motherfucker all day long, make complete sentences with nothing but fuck. Have me describe someone as "slur". Doesn't work. My racist father in law uses so many different slurs and so smoothly I have to look them up to know who he is calling what.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:

Made in Michigan?

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Re: Should he have been fired? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
mck414 wrote:
Everything is recorded these days, I wonder why CNN's video didn't show the original broadcast clip. Would be intersting to see just how he corrected himself.

He says it just like it is part of the name. '... just like it is out in Martin Luther Coon King park."

Being racist by itself isn't enough to be fired. And I don't think this by itself should mean it gets him fired.

But now I'll switch to full on judging him. Non-racists don't have slurs at the tip of their tongue. And you really can't get them to flow in your language. Do it right now to yourself. Use the slur of your choice out loud in a sentence. It isn't just that it is a bad word. I can say motherfucker all day long, make complete sentences with nothing but fuck. Have me describe someone as "slur". Doesn't work. My racist father in law uses so many different slurs and so smoothly I have to look them up to know who he is calling what.

Yeah it’s one hell of a coincidental slip of the tongue if this guy isn’t really going around thinking and probably saying racist things.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I find it interesting that the video has a disclaimer warning against graphic language. I'm local and literally no one is talking about this. Not even any of the hard-core pc people in my local social media sphere. Zero mentions. I couldn't even find the old name of the park or it's location.

Anyway, I get that the word coon can be used as a slur. However, it's not the broadcaster went "Martin Luther Coon, Jr Park ya know, because he's black and all." That would have been fire-able. That didn't happen so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that a broadcaster wouldn't risk his job and potentially the rest of his career just to get a jab in on TV. That makes pretty much no sense to me. I believe the freudian thinking is on the people who heard the broadcast and immediately jumped to outrage and racism. I'm in the camp that thinks if there's more than one way to interpret something, one way is malicious and the other way isn't, I prone to believe the latter.






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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Yes

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Re: Should he have been fired? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:

I don't find that racist. Stupid and degrading, but not racist.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [Nova] [ In reply to ]
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Nova wrote:
Duffy wrote:

I don't find that racist. Stupid and degrading, but not racist.

Ok.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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I find it interesting that the video has a disclaimer warning against graphic language. I'm local and literally no one is talking about this. Not even any of the hard-core pc people in my local social media sphere. Zero mentions. I couldn't even find the old name of the park or it's location.

Anyway, I get that the word coon can be used as a slur. However, it's not the broadcaster went "Martin Luther Coon, Jr Park ya know, because he's black and all." That would have been fire-able. That didn't happen so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that a broadcaster wouldn't risk his job and potentially the rest of his career just to get a jab in on TV. That makes pretty much no sense to me. I believe the freudian thinking is on the people who heard the broadcast and immediately jumped to outrage and racism. I'm in the camp that thinks if there's more than one way to interpret something, one way is malicious and the other way isn't, I prone to believe the latter.


I tend to agree with you. Absent any video so we can see exactly what he said, with associated timing, pronunciation, expression, body language, etc. I tend to think that we have to initially take him at his word and not overreact.

His claim that it was unintended caused by speaking too fast seems plausible on its face: "King jUUNior" could easily be unintentionally misspoken as "KUUN..."


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Re: Should he have been fired? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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What about it do you find racist?

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Re: Should he have been fired? [Nova] [ In reply to ]
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Nova wrote:
What about it do you find racist?

Nothing.

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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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Is he a Stern fan?

I've heard that 100 times on his show. Wouldn't take much to slip having heard it said that way repetitively.

This is also not the first time this has happened: https://www.mysanantonio.com/...-mistake-5149307.php
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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't seen the complete video so in the context of the written story I'll say that it was a slip of the tongue and don't think he should be fired. Nor should these folks...


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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't seen the complete video so in the context of the written story I'll say that it was a slip of the tongue and don't think he should be fired. Nor should these folks...


I think it was definitely a slip of the tongue, not intentional. The question is what does that reveal about the guy? Pretty much everyone of those examples in your link are examples of people revealing themselves to being familiar with sexual language, acts, etc. that we don't acknowledge in public but may do so with friends and other intimates. They wouldn't just randomly pop out of your mouth if you're not using, thinking about, familiar with that sort of thing. So the question is why did this guy have "coon" in the recesses of his mind?
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Re: Should he have been fired? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know the guy so can't say if it was a Freudian slip or not. But giving him the benefit of the doubt, I can see how it could possibly happen without it coming from a racist thought. I often read the comments sections in Yahoo. Sometimes on new articles, there are blatantly obvious comments that are visible before moderators remove them. I can see this guy reading a comment on a discussion forum with that phrase and even thinking that it was disgusting, and it sticking in his mind because it bothers him. Then when he's saying Martin Luther King Park it came out because it was on his mind.

Example. My daughter and I like watching Cutthroat Kitchen on Netflix. One day one of us called it Cutthroat Chicken. We laughed about it, but now we often call it Cuthroat Chicken without intending too.

I have no dog in the hunt and if he has purposely said it before and it was a Freudian slip, then I have no problem with him getting fired. But I would feel bad for the guy if it wasn't malicious at all as being labeled a racist will definitely ruin his career.
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Re: Should he have been fired? [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Finally, some local news. Here's a link to an article which has a video of the broadcast embedded. I'm still not convinced that there was any guile or racism intended.

https://13wham.com/...to-outcry-from-mayor






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Re: Should he have been fired? [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a direct link to a video that captures the gaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUGiCdKfsU

It sounds like an honest slip of the tongue to me.

In related news, a second news anchor just did the same thing:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ther-C-n-Jr-air.html


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