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Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours?
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In his video he said it never got higher than 169 after pushing 500 watts for 10 mins.

I've seen 193. What say you?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Uh...well I've seen 190s...

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I think, within the last year or so, my max HR is 183 which I hit in a race on Zwift.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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207 recently but have been in the mid 210s before.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Some are built like diesel engines. Some are built like high revving Honda engines. Max heart rates are pretty much individualized and don't mean squat. I'm over 50yo and I can hit low 190's during VO2 max intervals.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Basically in the same ballpark.. Only 26 years old and I'm dying going past 170.. 174 is the highest I've seen during testing/racing, but my aerobic threshold was 148 and my anaerobic threshold was 167 which says more than just max. heart rate.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 52

During VO2Max test : max 175
During Track races including maximal anaerobic efforts : max 184

If Lionel push 500w for 10mn, his PMA is probably higher than that (logical given its weight and capacity), so 169 bpm is lower than his Max HR.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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220-age=178
max I have seen in 178 in a race

I exactly match that formula
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [iamuwere] [ In reply to ]
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I'm 38 years-old. Lowest HR I've ever seen = 31bpm, Highest I've seen in 2 years = 174bpm. LTHR = 164bpm. Everyone on my mother's side has a very low HR.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Eugene] [ In reply to ]
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35YO, minimum seen overnight is 28, Maximum 205, LTHR 178
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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What does max HR of 169 mean, in terms of performance level?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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Nothing
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Age 25
Weight 140
Max HR 205 during a 5k last year.
Finish Time: we don’t need to discussed

Fact: I got up to 185 one time chasing Gwen Jorgensen around the track with my GoPro 🤣
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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That's what I thought. So why are we talking it?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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A few years ago (at 54), I'd routinely max out at 174. While dealing with afib throughout 2017, I was hitting 220 in my sleep :(
Post ablation, 168-170 seems to be the ceiling now...

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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dalava wrote:
That's what I thought. So why are we talking it?

Social contact ?
Also, some peoples think it mean something.

1+6+9 = 16
1+6 = 7
7 is ..... euh, not shoe size, not frame size, duh... margin to Frodeno in seconds, for Kona 2019 ?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Saw 193 a few weeks ago on the run. Averaged over 185 for the last mile on the run.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I think the mega miles over the years lower max HR for lots of athletes. When I was 17 starting the sport I could hit 200, 10 years and 200 000km+ later, I haven't seen 180 in a year or two. Mid training cycle with some fatigue in the system 172 is near the limit.

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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At 50 best I can see is low 170's.

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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dalava wrote:
That's what I thought. So why are we talking it?

Are you new here...?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I think it’s interesting to know Lionel’s max hr and others as well in terms of knowing when and if they are pushing.

When racing zwift, knowing someone’s max hr and current hr allows me to either ease or push depending on the tactic.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Nazgul350r wrote:
pushing 500 watts for 10 mins.

Link?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Finally, someone in my territory!! Tested at a max of 166 on the bike. Apparently I have 'large organs'...
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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Start about 8:40 if it doesn't take you there.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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186 this month @ nearly 58 y/o (according to Garmin Connect). I got my annual physical this week. They are accustomed to seeing low-ish resting HR from me (50-ish). Monday? 41 bpm. Raised a few eyebrows. But I just passed a stress test/echo a month ago, so... All pretty individual/meaningless...
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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It isn't his max HR if it's for a 10 min interval on the bike, far from it IMO.
. And it wouldn't be yours either. This is aerobic work.
The avg. watts is impressive though.

Louis :)
Last edited by: louisn: Nov 20, 18 17:03
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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On the bike, I regularly see upper 160s to low 170s. In a bike race I'll see mid 180s. I'm in my early 60s.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [giorgitd] [ In reply to ]
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I'll see mid 150's only sometimes, 57 years old. I have a stress test and echo next week, hopefully all is good.
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182.. (late 40's).. at the HR.. I cannot push any harder.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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Just over 200 back when I rowed in college, but that was a long time ago.

I'm 31 now (and started cycling 3 years ago) I think the max i've seen is 191 (on a hill interval)
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [pete459] [ In reply to ]
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32yo, max I've seen is 206, overnight below 40 (I don't monitor if that much/at all)

FVC is 7.2L fwiw (just because I know it ;))
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Did a 5k run last week and averaged 190. I've maxed at around 210.

My easy pace is mid 155-165. Usually racing in 170s.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [buzz] [ In reply to ]
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buzz wrote:


7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.

His numbers are completely debased from reality i can't take him seriously. That is close to 7 w/kg for 10 minutes which would put him in with a handful of world tour pro's. I don't know if he simply lies about power or has no clue how to calibrate/zero offset his trainer/PM's.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I'm age 29 and hit 197 bpm during a max hr test on a track running slower than Kipchoge's marathon pace...
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Haha... BTW, my max height was 178.5cm, haven't seen it since I was 29 ;)
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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I hit 200 yesterday during a zwift race while trying to track a guy down during the last quarter mile. Was definitely pretty high on the RPE scale.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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dalava wrote:
That's what I thought. So why are we talking it?
People on this forum have a Lionel Sanders fetish.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:
buzz wrote:


7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.

His numbers are completely debased from reality i can't take him seriously. That is close to 7 w/kg for 10 minutes which would put him in with a handful of world tour pro's. I don't know if he simply lies about power or has no clue how to calibrate/zero offset his trainer/PM's.

I have often wondered about the numbers he throws out there. His race performance do not come close to what he does in training - even his swimming.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Adman] [ In reply to ]
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Adman wrote:
Ron_Burgundy wrote:
buzz wrote:


7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.

His numbers are completely debased from reality i can't take him seriously. That is close to 7 w/kg for 10 minutes which would put him in with a handful of world tour pro's. I don't know if he simply lies about power or has no clue how to calibrate/zero offset his trainer/PM's.

I have often wondered about the numbers he throws out there. His race performance do not come close to what he does in training - even his swimming.

There are a couple world tour pros who are open with their power numbers. These are the absolute best of the best and 500w for 10 minutes is exceptional. He is getting out ridden by wurf who was a good cyclist but not exceptional by world tour standards. Even wurf called him out on his numbers.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [KG6] [ In reply to ]
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I have #'s from a sprint

Swim: 145bpm (average)
Bike: 170 with 190 peak
Run: Started 150 to 175 then built to finish w/a 212 peak in the chute

58 y/o

I am concerned a bit these days with doing sudden, full output effort either on the bike or running up hills early in the am. Get a bit of a funny feeling under the sternum area - which could be my mid back as I ventilate @ full volume. idk

,, no other symptoms

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I'm always a bit concerned about my heartrate being high, partly because heartattacks are in the family.

I'm 35 years old and weigh between 72 and 78 kilo (depending on on/off-season and lazyness). I easily get my heartrate above 200. Last weekend I did a 15km race (running) and hit 210 with an avg of 196.

I checked my heartrate multiple times with different watches and always with a breastband (Garmin tri combined with Forerunner 920XT, Garmin 210 with old band and polar cycling with polar band).

On easy runs (like yesterday, 10km @ 5:01min/km) I still average 165.

Something to worry about?
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [oakie] [ In reply to ]
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oakie wrote:
Finally, someone in my territory!! Tested at a max of 166 on the bike. Apparently I have 'large organs'...

Or not enough muscle to push them up ? (pink)
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [louisn] [ In reply to ]
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louisn wrote:
It isn't his max HR if it's for a 10 min interval on the bike, far from it IMO.
. And it wouldn't be yours either. This is aerobic work.
The avg. watts is impressive though.

Louis :)

If I push my max for 10mn (clearly not 500w), I'm 10 BPM below my registered max (at the same period of time)
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:
buzz wrote:


7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.


His numbers are completely debased from reality i can't take him seriously. That is close to 7 w/kg for 10 minutes which would put him in with a handful of world tour pro's. I don't know if he simply lies about power or has no clue how to calibrate/zero offset his trainer/PM's.

7w/kg is pretty much top of the pro peloton for VO2Max, indeed, from public data of Rohan Dennis, Froome, and some others top Grand Tour and TT players (generally TT players lower than GT players).

VO2Max considered as being more 5mn capacity than 10mn, but there is variances in measurement process (depending on the lab), leading to more than 5% differences in my own case, may be more in other cases.

Could have some PM calibration variance.

Not sure of LS real "efficient weight".

But I will not be surprised if Lionel, top triathlete, cycling being his best sport, had PMA not far from 7w/kg, and slightly above 500.

510w PMA, for 74kg, is 6.9w/kg.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Pyrenean Wolf] [ In reply to ]
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Last 3 years the highest I hit was 199 at the end of steep climb on the bike. Until this summer, then I hit 205 at the end of a sprint tri, and a month later 203 at the end of a half marathon.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [dalava] [ In reply to ]
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dalava wrote:
That's what I thought. So why are we talking it?
Because Lionel, apparently.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Ai_1] [ In reply to ]
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I’ve seen 192 before.

At 183 out of 190ish for over 6 minutes at end of a 20min test. Was into 180s for at least half.

https://www.strava.com/.../1908413613/analysis

185, step test
https://www.strava.com/.../1869172241/analysis

Comparison, 260w hour at 160:
https://www.strava.com/.../1896406450/analysis

Numbers aren’t that big, but it hurts nonetheless going deep for that long.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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heart rate is so individual its a poor metric to try and compare between people...

I have lost 145 lbs and my all out 5k heart rate never broke 170 given it was only a 20 min 5k but still. I have almost never broken 160 on the bike 314 FTP etc.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [RichardL] [ In reply to ]
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RichardL wrote:
Some are built like diesel engines. Some are built like high revving Honda engines. Max heart rates are pretty much individualized and don't mean squat. I'm over 50yo and I can hit low 190's during VO2 max intervals.

Could not agree more. I have a max in the low 200’s but can hold my HR in the 170-180’s for a whole 70.3. HR is 100% individualized and means nothing unless compared to yourself
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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In my 20's I saw a max of 212 in a test workout on the track. At the time I regularly help over 200bpm for entire races. 25 years later I know it is not nearly that high but have not used a heart rate monitor in over 20 years.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [mikedonia] [ In reply to ]
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I recall reading once that Eddy Merckx, the absolute greatest cyclist of all time and aerobic freak, had a heart rate that maxed out at 160 bpm.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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In my late 40s now and I can't get over 175 no matter how hard I go.
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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167
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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Ron_Burgundy wrote:
buzz wrote:


7 w/kg for 10 mins is pretty good.

i hear there is some kind of chart or something that would help put that in context.


His numbers are completely debased from reality i can't take him seriously. That is close to 7 w/kg for 10 minutes which would put him in with a handful of world tour pro's. I don't know if he simply lies about power or has no clue how to calibrate/zero offset his trainer/PM's.

Yeah its simply not true. If he was at or near 7 with that big upper body for swimming, he could drop 3-5 kilos and ride away from the best, many of whom have doping raps. There was an extensive study of Tibault Pinot and his peak 10 minute power over 3 seasons was exactly 7 w/kg at a lower absolute power, his 5 hour power was right around 5 w/kg likely from a race not a test. Lionel is not that good and we don't see him doing 350-380w for his IMs, the correlation should be there for such a diesel engine.

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Re: Lionel's Max HR 169??? Whats yours? [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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47yo and the 220 minus age doesn't add up for me. I hit 192 on my run today with a 174 average. I pushed it a bit at the end to the finish of the 5k.....

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