Bike has to be way short, times are ridiculous. Might take sub 9 to make top 10 in m35-39 and get KQ slot.

The guy that off the bike in 50th place in 40-44 rode 4:40. Pretty absurd.

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1st Man AG run 2h35' marathon I guess not only the bike is short...

The top two pros each beat Tim Don's world record.

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Is the run course different this year??

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Feel bad for the winners because it's like course cutting. There should be an asterisk by their times moving forward. Disrectful to not measure course correctly.

The idea of world records is triathlon is futile anyway given all the changes in courses/topography/length/weather conditons/motos/moon cycles etc. It is only for those that are not really paying attention to the sport at a deep level. Regardless anyway you skin the cat, Matt & Ivan's run were terribly impressive if this is the same run course as it has always been.

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totally agree
ridicuolous that 12 man sub 8h and disrespectful for previous record holder.

challenge roth has correct distances.

Hanson was 7 minutes faster than last year and Tutukin had a 7 minute run PR. I would be surprised if it was the same course and/or 26.2 miles...

That said, regardless of how long it was, both guys had good races

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Agreed, it sucks for the winners and all finishers. I understand the issues on course set up, but as I said in another thread, if they can't have the full distance in all sports, this should not be classified as a championship.

Fwiw, there was a lot of controversy over the previous world record as well.

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Just looked at his run time. No way he ran in vaporflys, he obviously would have gone faster if he did.

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Yes, but that moto drafting talk is subjective at best. Especially since no one actually saw Tim drafting the lead bike.

A short course is not subjective at all.

Edit: And the record is actually Jan's at Roth... Tim has/had the "brand" record, as retarded as that is.

Not sure why they'd change the run course, but I'm not there so I wouldn't know. Also, weather could just be favorable for a good run (70's, low humidity, etc).

I was the course (but not the waterway portion) much of the afternoon. Appears to be the same as usual. Looking at the maps the waterway portion appears to be the same as always. The one place they could screw it up though is at the turn around. I didn't go down there to see if it's in a different place.

I had it at 110 miles last year. Run was solid then. Big difference this year is best weather in the history of the race.

I have an athlete that did it, their GPS showed 109.6. (They are in the PC division and someone sent me a pic from their Garmin).

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True, rare windless day here in Houston.

Edit: 18 people in my AG, m35-39, went sub 9:00:00. Crazy.

At the end of the day it's the same course for everyone out there today. Even if the bike course was 150 miles Starky would have still been run down.

the run course downhill? that seems to be a trend in USA these days... all marathons downhill promoting easy BQ

But you will always get to say I did an x:xx.xx Full Ironman as a PR. Like I ran a 29 min 10k on the back end of an Olympic distance race once. Only 6 min faster than my stand alone 10k daym I was strong that day. I still laugh at a dad trying to explain to his kid that the 3m54s mile in the kids run may not have been actually a mile. Never seen several dozen 8-10 year olds break 4 min in a mile race before.

Okay so as I mentioned in the starky sub 4 thread, bike was more like 177km. As for the run, the tracking has matt at 2:30:15 at 40.1km yet he finished “42.2” 4 min 25s later which means he ran a way sub 4 mile on his way to the finish.... well he even ran a new mile world record actually

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108.7 miles
Is what I'm getting when you calculate speed and times on the Ironman tracker.

Wish I had done it this year! Just my luck.

Nope. Pancake flat all the way around.

its so short ironman said on the facebook event page that no records will be recognized.

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No it doesn't. The bike is about 1.5km short and the run last year was 41.6km on my GPS, so probably at least 800m short.

From what I'm seeing coming in on Strava, run course looks legit. Those were some crazy fast runs today.

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Yes the run course is 26.2 - I think I got 26.17 which is close enough, especially since the GPS will be a bit screwed by the tree cover on the twisty path at some points. The bike course is just over 110 miles, same as last year. The people saying it's 108 are circulating fake news. The run conditions were also pretty hot, so Matt's run time is a legit achievement.

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I had the bike at 110. It was a complete disgusting draft fest. All you f'ers know who you are. 40 person pelotons, seemed like no one gave half a shit about trying to ride clean and I feel like a schmuck for trying to. FOP, MOPers, female pro in the fastest male AG peloton, multiple people from the top AG teams. Complete bullshit. I soft pedaled minutes to let each one by. This is my first time at this race, is this normal? I didn't do IMFL for a reason.

Not one official on the highway handing out penalties. Did not see one person in the penalty tent. I'm obviously outraged and ranting. Wtf Ironman.

I had the run at 26.0 (started watch bit latetoo) so pretty accurate for an IM. Others had it spot on.

You will hear all the reports of the draft fest that it was. I swam 57, worked hard on the bike and eventually came across this group of about 20 guys literally about 2m apart from each other. I rode past all of them and they sucked my wheel for about 2 miles. Eventually I put in 3 mins at about 315w and dropped them all. Then a smaller peleton got on my wheel and about 2 mins into that I got a flat tire. They seemed really pissed that their free ride was over. So both peletons went past me while I was fixing the flat, and as I got back on (about 10 mins later) another one surrounded me. They were like leeches.

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That is pretty depressing, coming from a source I trust on this issue.

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I was there last year and swam 1:13 and rode 4:39, so I got to see a lot of people along the way. The drafting really wasn’t bad.

Rob, did you have a similar experience last year?

Checked with my garmin from last year and strava of bikes this year. Exact same 109.7. This year they had zero wind as compared to last year.

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Sorry but that is pure bullshit. Matt had a good race but ran nowhere near a 2:34. Bike course was prob 177k as I’ve said which would be like you said, but run was nowhere near full distance. Just look at Matt’s splits, according to them he ran a world record in his last mile.

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So no IMTX IN 2019? Looked like a very different race then last year.

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I had 25.8 on my garmin. So maybe a half mile short at most

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You can't trust an Ironman tracker, the splits on that is way off. It said I ran 6:xx last mile and it was just under 8:00

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Did you miss the posts with multiple people who literally just did the race saying they had at least 26 miles? Maybe a minute short if anything. Unless they had a separate pro run course you are way off here.

I don't think so. It's about the same as Kona. The way people behave on the bike is incredibly poor.

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See you at Boulder then, crap I will be in your ag next year to, FML

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No point in even responding to comments if you truly believe matt ran 2:34, it’s so out there I don’t even know how to respond.

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The timing mats are not always placed where they claim to be. The timing mat before the finish was likely much closer to the finish than what Ironman claimed it to be.

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On distances: my Garmin shows 177km and 42.4km, so short on the bike (like last year) and OK on the run.

Plus one on the drafting bullshit. It was despicable, with people riding cm away from the person ahead. Calling them on it didn't change a thing.

Also, I didn't see a single marshall. Not one. And neither did I see anyone in penalty tents. Last year, they were full. Needless to say, there was a lot of people with fresh legs for the run. Between that and the testosterone patch of last night, it's pretty disheartening.

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Yes not a single marshal. And minimal SAG/mechanical support. I saw that guy on a turquoise Trek sitting on the side of the road for about 30+ minutes

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Anyone else wondering what Patrick Lange’s run split would have been today???

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Drafting and the lack of enforcement is dissapointing especially with the race being touted as a championship event. Given the course issues (distance, being too flat and fast that it leads to drafting) hopefully IM will find a new venue for the NA championship. Wasn’t drafting issues one of the reasons they stopped having 70.3 worlds at Clearwater?

Also, while I’m on a roll bitching about stuff, why didn’t they do coverage like they did at South Africa?!?

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I think it would have been interesting showdown. With that being said, I think Matt made a huge statement today with the run. Every picture I saw he had Tutukin either half-stepped or full-stepped.

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Wow internet warrior without any backing other than previous times.
Hanson is a demon runner, not a surprise that he was pushed to a PB and record.
I will say the pros looked very close. Maybe 3-4metres tops so take what you will from that.

Bike was 176.5km.
Run was 41.95km and longer than last year due to a little extra at turn around and by swim zig zag.

Times are legit. Sure Austria is notorious for being short and also a current assisted swim often.

This swim was just over for me so bar the small bike course issue no issue. And clearly Starky would have still been sub 4 even on a 180km course so massive Kudos.

Hanson ran a legit 2:34.
Deal with it. Strava is there for you to check and argue with.

But yes, clearly age groupers were in massive blatant draft packs and no Marshal's issuing penalties. It was horrfic.
Didn't see it last year at all so a big shame on a great race.

Check Strava before you accuse in the wrong.

41.95km. and you can add 250m for transition if you really want.
Roth by comparison has the shortest transition known to man.

Time is legit.

I do like Hanson and would like to seem him break out. One side story no one has mentioned (and everyone will groan when I bring up)...the Ironman Brand world record time was set by a guy who was riding a disc brake bike. I think somehow there must be some link somehow to the disc brakes and how well Hanson ran off the bike (pink)

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Well interestingly enough, and believe I have a lot of inside baseball I won't be talking about, but Matt and Ivan ran within 3 seconds of each a few weeks back at Galveston 70.3. However the delta was more like 7 minutes on the bike.

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Check Strava before you accuse in the wrong.


SO how about the guy that posted this up? Also from strava? I know when I raced at the pointy end I took advantage of every tangent available, so I certainly would have been on the 25.2 end of this scale. My guess is Matt and other pros race the same way. As for you AG'ers that run against the curb the whole way, well good for you... (-;




"Bike was same as last year, people strava are showing 25.2-25.7 on the run. But heard from people that raced: lots of people where cutting the corners on the run. The 25.7 on Strava from a friend I know is accurate since I know he would not cut the corners, last year I had 25.8 on my garmin. So its a short course but no different then last year."

Transitions were 400m and 500m also.

Crazy IM aren't recognising it due to the 2 mile short bike. I swam long at 3955 but others seem to have 3850 or so at least.

Does anyone have Strava for Brazil for all swim bike run transition?

Agreed.

Bob Babbit told me that the only Boston qualifier course is Kona so everything else is not certified.

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Transitions were 400m and 500m also. //

Transitions are not counted in split times anymore, haven't been for quite sometime. But they were counted in the old days when I raced, thus the 2;38 Mark Allen actually ran at Kona is shown to be a 2;40 flat. Whatever the transition times or distances were, they are irrelevant to the split times they give you guys now...

IM Lou course was certified as well.

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Cool. It would be nice if they all were but the reality is the distances usually vary. Even on the much shorter ITU Olympic distance courses which have a massive budget.

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Oh really? I had no idea......good to know!

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i see 109.5 for bike, 26.0 for the run via a buddy's strava who went sub 10
...fly by athletes show similar

As an ex runner I run pretty good tangents, started my watch a little late while it got signal, and was at 26.0. Admittedly dont run lines as good as pros but doubtful it's worth a mile.

I had 1 pro women in the field (jen Annett)

- bike: 177km she rode 4:24:49. Had the distance been accurate, it would had been a world record by over 5min (guessing 4:29)

- run: 41.8km so 400m short. For the top 2 runner, that s 90secondes. So a little short but still a world class run

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I assumed this had already been posted as I'm just getting home. But I echo pretty much everything to the letter.

I had it at 110. I had the run about a quarter mile short, but could be GPS being off under the trees.

But the drafting pissed me off and I am just a guy trying to finish. I finished my swim in 1:15 which isnt lightening fast obviously, but there were tons of strong bikers coming up behind me. I probably saw 4 or more pelatons of 40+ people. And at the end, would be some schmuk I passed up 10 miles earlier who latched on to the back only to have to pass them again when they fell off. and it was always the at the section with bridges and the guy would slam the uphill to pass then coast making me pass until we got to a flat long enough for me to drop them. I did not see a single Marshall the entire day. Not a single one.

My garmin for the run was 26.18 miles with a really long walk/run time. I messed up my bike computer so I can't help there. Total draft fest as reported and I also did not see a single draft marshal, large packs with some pretty significant crashes as well. The emergency response and medical staff were seemed to be kept very busy.

JOOC - Was it wetsuit legal for AGers??? What about for pros??? Despite her finishing out of the women's top 10, i thought it was cool that Lauren Brandon had the fastest swim split of ALL pros, male and female!!! I think her swim was around 49:15-ish.

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Yep. No way you can run tangents and take a mile off.

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The other thing that happened today was a lot of crashes. I was just past a rider I saw crash. I think he or she may have gone over the guard rail. He was alone to the far right which was supposed to be a traffic lane and he went down. It was terrible. I saw it just behind me to my right. My last look back was a bike on the ground and no rider. I’m hoping he’s ok. I tried to find an official to get back to him but sadly there were none. That was right after I a saw a lady on what I think was a backboard.

The thing with the packs was that apart from drafting they were many bikes wide and would gobble up slower riders. Pass on the left and right. It was terrible. I hated that ride so much and even corrected for distance (I had 176.8k) it was my fastest Ironman ride on IM #14. I killed myself with a whole ton of power spikes to try to get past them and ride clean. Lots of times I rode the car lane to the right to take wind and lots of time i rode to the far left to take wind. We did have some wind on the trip out the second lap. Those power surges were not productive for my run either which sucks again.

If I had just sat in when they went by I’m sure my time would have been a lot faster. I got in a few fights out there. F bombs you name it. I saw one marshal early on. He watched the draft pack I’d just got out of ride away into the sunset. He did nothing. That was the only official I saw all day. The only reason not to draft was your conscious and apparently in our sport not many people had one.

Take all results with skepticism. I hope all the thousands who chose a free ride feel like shit tomorrow when they realize what they did. I’m sure they won’t though. I’m also sure they all had huge run pr’s too. I did Clearwater in 2009. This was every bit as bad as that to give you a good idea of how bad it was. I don’t think I will ever do this race again. Reading above that it wasn’t like this last year is surprising to me. Why this year more than last? There was less wind this year ? I know in Clearwater people came to the race seemingly expecting to cheat. That’s what this felt like as well.

Final though. I would go past a pack and they would sit on my wheel. What are you supposed to do? This was on the return trip home second lap. I would have a huge pack behind me. I couldn’t get away and I couldn’t do anything to make them stop. It was demoralizing.

Oh... I had the run at 41.8k so 400m short. Congrats to all who’ve finished and if anyone knows about the rider who hit the guard rail I’d very much like to know how he/she is doing.

There were many more marshals last year, giving penalties left and right. Various penalty tents I saw were full or overflowing.

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Has anybody seen Garmin files with power numbers from a power meter?

If You see somebody who always posts rides with power numbers but in the race has estimated power from Strava that is fishy.

Obviously if you see 26 mile an hour segments at 170w ans hr 122, there is one explanation

Best Bike split from Andrew Starykowicz https://www.bestbikesplit.com/public/94521

So bike leg 178,2km. But an incredible NP of 364W.

The one guy who could not have drafted posts his real power😭😭

Great race, Sam.

For those still on stupid math that is 110.728 miles so that’s kinda like 108

Sorry to disappoint....

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Congrats Matt! Not taking anything away from your battle and your win , but I think we can agree certified courses are measured by the perfect tangents, aka shortest possible route. So normally on a certified course GPS would be a tad over 26.2 because no one runs perfect tangents. Thanks for posting the data and congrats again!

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I was running hard but you just flew by! Very sad that people have problems to digest outstanding performances... Congrats, your run way stunning!
Sam

With people tucking aerobar on roadie hammer rides, those comments don’t surprise me.

Matts GPS files starts while he is already running so misses a part.
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I’m well aware 15 seconds is missing.

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Look at the gps 'track' and you will see it is more than that. Of course if you want to believe the course was 41k or 40k or whatever distance, fair enough ;-)
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I won't lie, that was just a fast course. I could see some numbers seeming unbelievable from legal riding. I was averaging 21-22 on 140ish watts NP for the first half. Dialed it back on the second half as this was my first IM and I was fearing the run as running is my weakness (which I should have feared more, haha) . Still averaged like 19 on 130 watts and "higher" winds. There was pretty much no wind, but more wind than early in the ride.

Awesome job yesterday Matt, and love your AMA’s as well. Sorry if I came across rude in my post, From what I’ve seen from friends who raced on Strava the distance is anywhere between 41,4 and 42, so while it was most likely a bit short it was still a blazing run.
I just really dislike that the courses aren’t accurate, and I think it hurts everyone. You would have done a new run record even if it were longer and then there would never be an asterisk just like Starky’s bike.
Look forward to seeing what you come up with in Kona this year!

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This is not really true. On courses with several sharp turns, the GPS will measure that the runner cut the turns, because it only records a datapoint every 4 seconds, so it will tend to measure that kind of course as short.

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 Have many of the pros besides A.S. posted power files?
It’s perfectly understandable not to because haters will find something “fishy”.
However if that group of pros werr doing 230 watts to average that speed, then that is fishy.

Good point ! My certified courses have all been a touch long on GPS. I run about as straight as I swim apparently ! Lol

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My Garmin had bike at 109.61 and the run at 26.16.