You mean more time in the saddle? More 5-hour L2 rides, sure. However, there are other ways to skin the cat.

depends.....

https://www.alancouzens.com/...ume-vs-intensity.php

Looks like after 'mining' the data they found a very weak correlation between CTL and FTP. Not particularly insightful.

Just a new account creating a dumb, trolling topic and then giggling behind their hands.

You're a coach?

That's correct :-)

Thanks for the warm welcome ;-)

More biking builds support in the body which allows you to become faster if you train properly.

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Yes and no. If you are just riding long distances with out doing intervals, VO2 max (ect) training you are going to be passing up on alot of benefits and speed.

Soooo...maybe I'm missing something with your question. Is there some context you'd like to add, or are you just asking that question?

Not a question I'd like out of my coach.

Maybe he is stimulating a discussion to generate points of views and competing ideas. I know ST loves telling people the answer, but maybe a productive discussion could be had.

More cycling makes you faster than none, more than what? then more easy, more intervals? pretty open ended?

Alternate question:

What is the best use of 8 hours of cycling per week for a person training for half IMs assuming max of 15 hours per week of training?

Yes.









You're welcome

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He needs some help with his Socratic attempts, then.

To be clear, this is not at all related to me.

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

So you're from the UK. I'm just curious on the credentials for being a coach in under the British triathlon federation.

are you coach toby?

No. Over about 90 minutes, cycling breaks your body down too much and you can't recover. You'll become a much faster triathlete shortening cardio sessions to 30 minutes of HIIT and then on non-cardio days (4x a week) you're better off doing orange theory fitness/crossfit style workouts. If you want any more info, just check out Ben Greenfield—dude pretty much won an ironman on zero traditional triathlon "training"

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I JUST said no. :p

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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

I would love to hear your reference for the notion that anything over 90 minutes breaks down the body, because I have found just the opposite. I did RAGBRAI and cycled between 3 to 5 hours (or more) a day for a week, and was stronger and faster at the end. I’ve also done bike focus weeks at home getting ready for IM, with a week of 50 mile rides every day with the same result.

Yes, there are some folks who can do very little but very intense training and do well at longer races. That doesn’t mean that their training method is optimal for everyone.

Lastly, Greenfield is a snake oil salesman and I don’t trust a word that guy says. His IM stunt was more about plugging his bullshit products.

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I think this one got past you...

I can feel the whoosh.

Is my sarcasm detector broken?

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Using "orange theory," "crossfit," "HIIT," and "Greenfield" in like 4 sentences is like pimp-slapping you in the face with a back-handed quadruple dose of sarcasm. So, yes.

That said, I'm loving crossfit.

+1

I dont know why people do cardio all the time. They won't get very big that way. Keep doing your cardio and you will get smaller by the hour.

You answered two posts with ;-). It is :-). Yours use of the semicolon makes your smiley face look like it has a wandering eye. Wow, just wow.

You're actually better off not doing any cardio and only lift—people don't realize this, but tons of studies show that cardio exercise literally eats muscle proteins/amino acids first. That's why when you do cardio you shouldn't eat any carbs or fat and only take in protein and a steady stream of BCAAs... otherwise, you're body is eating itself.

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LOL

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blog thing - strava thing

8.5 : 10

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Right on! All men 45-49 follow this advice!

To paraphrase Guardians of the Galaxy: "Your reflexes are so fast, nothing goes over your head!!"

Yeah, I re-read Cloy’s post, and I really have no defense.

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Something fishy going on here. A real coach should already know the answer to the original question and should not be gathering advice from armchair triathletes.

You're behind. We've decided the question was either Socratic or sarcastic.

In an embarrassingly funny way, I really used to think that way. I have to admit it: I used to be a muscle-head douchebag. God, the shame.

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They don't make you faster per se, they just remove the need to stop and pee.

Other things I wouldn't like to hear:

Bike Mechanic: What's a quick release skewer?
Swim coach: You can swim, right? I don't like the water
Run coach: Do you have any advice on blisters? Whenever I run more than 3 miles I get them

Some pretty good swim coaches don't really swim that well themselves or have never swum competitively.

The overall strength of the relationship isn't the point. There are numerous factors that contribute to an athlete's FTP (weather, oxygen in the air, crank length, age, fitness), and carving out a piece of the variance can still provide insight. The point is the relative strength of the relationships compared with the other factors the author was considering. His point still stands that CTL is a stronger single predictor than intensity and monthly hours alone. So the old school thought of only doing long easy rides and the new HITT meme can be put to rest - the better predictor of FTP is a program that utilizes consistency and pacing in their ATP.

The only odd thing with this analysis is that CTL takes into account monthly hours and intensity, and thus it is very obvious why CTL would be a better single predictor.

What about stochastic?

No you just need salbutamol

Noooooo!

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Careful! You are okay so far.

Years ago on a different forum it was said that if you say the name F _ _ _ _ D _ _ three times he would show up and haunt the forum until he was banned. Now he has returned as a poltergeist taking possession of willing souls to use as a flesh puppet to post where he was once banned.

My N=1 this year on this topic.

I have about the same amount of time and miles as last year and yet my FTP is 20 watts lower this year because of work, illness and injury and the inability to train more in that submaximal range of intensity (L4ish). More or equal time without stimulating adaptation has made me slower a degree or two.

My hope is that 2018 I get better quality of training with about the same amount of time/miles.

As an open question, you'll get a few interpretations. Our interpretation (Disclosure: I am the founder of Xert) is that there are a number of factors that make you "faster", more power available for the event you're racing in is one aspect. "More" really depends on what you're tracking: time, distance or some other quantifiable measure of "more cycling". Xert uses 3 dimensions of "more", namely more lower training load, more high training load and more peak training load, each of which contributes to you being faster but come into affect over different intensities. More lower training load correlates with higher FTP (or TP in our lingo), more high training load correlates with a larger High Intensity Energy store and more peak training load correlates with higher Peak Power. The *more* training load you can accumulate, the higher each of these values.

So, in general, more cycling makes you faster but the dimension you're increasing affects which part of you gets faster.

Does this answer the question? :-)

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Yeah, but how much can you squat?

This thread had degenerated into sarcasm until you came on with what looks like a back handed sales shill. Lets not get serious here.

Was just having fun here too and sharing an entirely new way of looking at rather fundamental question that mostly likely very few have considered before. Apologies if you thought it was "back handed". Disclosure qualifier in the second sentence meant to let folks know that it's coming from a vendor. Cheers.

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Does more food make your muscles bigger?

 
Paranoid judgemental opinions aside, enlighten us all with your brilliant thoughts about the question...

Enlighten us where you got your coach qualification, what exactly you were hoping to gain from asking such a question and why you reopened a thread that closed in December Coach???

P.S. Peter Sagan has just been sitting on a couch at altitude the last month. Wait for Milan San Remo and you will see the benefits ;)

Thank you.

I was curious about what other adults thought.

Thanks Armando

I hear the advice 'ride more' given to people. I was curious what others thought.

It would appear not :-)

I'd be quite happy to ask an athlete whether they thought more cycling would make them faster. I think it's a good question to ask. No?

I was curious about what other people thought.

I thought were being sarcastic ;-) sorry :-)

Great article, thanks for posting.

I am roadie, and my personal experience agrees with the article.

I think that the HIIT training protocols are wrongly interpreted as killers of the concept of base training. Not in general, but many people interpret the findings of 4-8 week protocols/plans in the aforementioned way and use them the whole year round, begining of their season to end.

As a time crunched cyclist, I find that what works best for me is, when off season:

• Monday to Friday (on trainer unfortunately), mix things up:


• Keep the volume as high as possible


• This means avoiding very high intensity intervals with small breaks between (as usually described in HIIT protocols/plans), I won't be able to keep the volume high especially on a trainer, even if I have the time, I don't have the legs/lunges/heart
• 20-30 minutes at 85% FTP intervals are used very frequently, also at 95% but I will struggle to reach over 1:30 hour on the trainer sometimes after two 20min sets of those
• Throw in short high intensity intervals!


• But with generous time in between, ensuring that the ratio of (intensity of the high intensity intervals)/(interval duration)/(intensity of the low intensity intervals) will let me keep the volume high
• Do slow cadence, do some sprints, but keeping the active recovery intervals generous
• Weekend:


• Yes, now I have the time to keep volume high, enjoy the ride, sprint up some small hills but don't get too carried away by the thrill of speed when I am on a good day, or the coming week I will feel wasted

When the season starts:

• Increase intensity midweek, do some HIIT, especially 40/20
• Throw in some intensity on the weekend rides, but also cutting a little on the volume
• Will try to participate in non-important races to assess where am I

When 3-4 weeks before a major event/race:

• Take on a HIIT protocol/plan, which also means decreased volume

After the major event/race:

• Recover, enjoy food, sleep, relax, get more with friends/family

Your major events can't be too many, the same reason you can't HIIT training the whole year.