Wrong guy. Dan is 6' and a power rider, but has a pretty good position. He also lost a bit of weight over winter,which probably helped from the sound of that course

Last year: http://folsombikeroadracing.files.wordpress.com/...3/img_0152.jpg?w=590

This year: http://folsombikeroadracing.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/img_9342-x2.jpg

How about this then. How much wattage would it take to do ~44 mins on the Salt Lake course?

Mike,

What setback did you ride? I set up my bike at 0 setback and shortened my extensions to 75cm last week and man was I cramped with my knees hitting my elbows. At 6', meeting the 75cm rule is really tough.

Great job getting third. You beat ex National and World Champs.

Jack,

I currently use a Cobb V Flow and at zero setback when I am going hard, I find myself riding on the nose. What would be a better option .

Wrong guy. Dan is 6' and a power rider, but has a pretty good position. He also lost a bit of weight over winter,which probably helped from the sound of that course

Last year: http://folsombikeroadracing.files.wordpress.com/...3/img_0152.jpg?w=590

This year: http://folsombikeroadracing.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/img_9342-x2.jpg

Wow, that's quite an improvement in his position just visually. It sure looks like that Adamo saddle really allowed him to "rotate" forward quite a bit.

Is that a UCI legal frame?

podium saddle? I can't read the text

Mike,

What setback did you ride? I set up my bike at 0 setback and shortened my extensions to 75cm last week and man was I cramped with my knees hitting my elbows. At 6', meeting the 75cm rule is really tough.

Great job getting third. You beat ex National and World Champs.

One problem seemed to be that they were counting the actual shift levers as part of the 75cm measurement. There were a -lot- of people who's bikes were legal last year and they were told to make adjustments this year. Easy enough if you have adjustable extensions (although hey now you have a new riding position). But I know at least one person who hacksawed down their shifters because that was the only reasonable option being the night before the race. USAC really needs to get their act together regarding TT bike rules.

I believe the shifters counted last year too, but they changed some of the interpreting of how they are aligned, taking away even more reach MID SEASON

anyway if you need extra reach di2 helps a lot now.

But the rule change was out there and if somebody showed up in Ogden with an illegal bike it's because they didn't take the time to look for the the rules.

The rule change for 2014 made the measurement to the tip of the shifters.

It was the details of how they would rotate the shifters before measuring that changed mid season, right around Joe Martin, I sat in the pro team manager meeting and heard them explain it. If you happened to not be on a pro team (impossible for the men but not women) you wouldn't have any way to know about the change! Or if your team director didn't pass the message along.

Can you post a link for this please? Because the document I pulled up from usac the week before the race stated that the measurement was to the end of structural part of the shifter but not the lever itself. Maybe it was an outdated document, but it was pretty clear that the actual lever portion was not counted.

The guy who measured my bike told me that though they tried to take down all the old position links that one was left that they didn't catch and somebody called them on it so they were lenient on that particular measurement. Which kind of bummed me out because I cut the shit out of my extentions to meet the new requirement in the days before I left.

The guy who measured my bike told me that though they tried to take down all the old position links that one was left that they didn't catch and somebody called them on it so they were lenient on that particular measurement. Which kind of bummed me out because I cut the shit out of my extentions to meet the new requirement in the days before I left.

CRM4.0 wrote:

Yeah, this was from the only document I could find. I get that they don't want people in superman, but the current system is broken.

I'm pretty sure that is the document that they meant to unlink. Here is the information I'm speaking of: It's the technical guide that is linked on the main page for masters nationals at USAC

https://s3.amazonaws.com/USACWeb/forms/natchamps/2014/2014-Masters-Road-Tech-Guide.pdf





1. BICYCLE REGULATIONS: In general, the regulations for bicycles are those of the Union Cycliste
Internationale (UCI). Please refer to the UCI rule book:
http://www.uci.ch/...&id=34033&La
ngId=1.

However, the following exceptions will be made:
 If the handlebars are at 75 cm extension* or less, there will be no measurement of the 5 cm rule for
saddle position. If the handlebars are between 75-80 cm extension, then the saddle must be at the 5
cm behind vertical position. For riders 6’3” or taller, extensions can go to 85 cm.
 There will be no requirement that the handlebars be below the saddle.
* Note that when bar end shifters are used, the extensions are measured from the ends of the shifters
and not the pivot bolt. The measurement is taken using an arc made by the shifter, measured in a
horizontal direction. Thus, whether the bars are straight or angled up, the measurement will be the same.
 There will not be strict enforcement of the 3/1 rule. The following bicycles are therefore considered
legal for masters national championships in 2014:
o Specialized Transition
o Specialized Shiv
o Giant Trinity
o For any other bicycle that is not UCI legal due to the 3/1 rule, please contact USA Cycling
Technical Director, Shawn Farrell (sfarrell@usacycling.org) to make sure it is legal for this event.2014

All other UCI rules will be enforced, such as minimum weight of 6.8 kg, basic bicycle design based on a double
triangle (no softrides), no wheel covers, standard wheels for massed start races.

1. BICYCLE REGULATIONS: In general, the regulations for bicycles are those of the Union Cycliste
Internationale (UCI). Please refer to the UCI rule book:
http://www.uci.ch/...&id=34033&La
ngId=1.

However, the following exceptions will be made:


If the handlebars are at 75 cm extension* or less, there will be no measurement of the 5 cm rule for
saddle position.

If the handlebars are between 75-80 cm extension, then the saddle must be at the 5
cm behind vertical position.

a crazy bunch of rule modifications and exceptions...and for what?

Oh, I fully understand how they got to where they are on that whole thing when they start with the premise of using UCI rules for the event.

My point is to ask why they feel the need to do that (try to use UCI rules), and after making all those modifications and exceptions, why they can't just run the event under the rules already in their own rulebook? It's not like it's a qualification event for the World Champs, is it?

I just don't see what's wrong with USACs current rules for a USAC Championship event, which can basically be summed up as "don't ride a recumbent" ;-)

How hard can that be?

They didn't weigh bikes.

* Note that when bar end shifters are used, the extensions are measured from the ends of the shifters
and not the pivot bolt. The measurement is taken using an arc made by the shifter, measured in a
horizontal direction. Thus, whether the bars are straight or angled up, the measurement will be the same.

So just to be clear, definitely 80cm (if that's the one that's appropriate for me) to the end of the shifter? Definately to the end of the shifter, no other measurement?
So if I have 10cm long shifter levers, but angle them 180 degrees back from the pivot point towards the headtube, then the pivot point is legal at 90cm? ;)
This is the statement that confused me and reading the UCI explanation and e-mailing USAC didn't help because it doesn't clarify the distinction between old-school (index or friction) and RTC shifters.

If you have regular old-school shifters, they moved them to their longest position and measured the total length. My shifter bodies were at slightly less than 75, but when I moved the shift levers to be horizontal to the ground, I had to cut about a cm off the ends to get below the 80cm limit (Campy bar ends are longer than Shimano).

If you had RTC shifters, they measured total length to their longest resting position. If you oriented the shifters straight up or down, the longest point is at the end of the shifter body. If oriented pointing straight ahead, then the length is to the tip of the shifter. Sort of silly because I don't think too many people are going to try hanging onto the shifter. Seems like a recipe for random shifting on any bump.

I ended up putting RTC shifters on my bike about 2 days before the TT because it wasn't clear how the rules would be interpreted. It turned out to be a good idea because when the resting position was straight up, the total length to the end of the shifter bodies was 75cm and I could set my seat closer than the 5cm setback I would have needed with the old-school shifters.

Oh, I fully understand how they got to where they are on that whole thing when they start with the premise of using UCI rules for the event.

My point is to ask why they feel the need to do that (try to use UCI rules), and after making all those modifications and exceptions, why they can't just run the event under the rules already in their own rulebook? It's not like it's a qualification event for the World Champs, is it?

RBR wrote:

What is the reason for the 75cm rule from nose of saddle to tip of the bars?

Are you faster if you slide your seat back farther?

Any word yet on where the Masters will be held in 2019/2020?

Was someone enforcing it that way? The UCI rule is:

Quote:

The distance between the vertical line passing through the bottom bracket axle and the extremity of the handlebar may not exceed 75 cm,

T-wrecks wrote:

Bruizer wrote:

Any word yet on where the Masters will be held in 2019/2020?

Not that I've seen, and I've been looking. There was a RFP for host cities ~6 months ago but that's the latest public news.

Finally announced yesterday.
https://www.usacycling.org/...onal-championships-1

Masters Road Nationals in Colorado Springs August 8-11
Masters Track Nationals up to and on Labor Day weekend