'nuff said.

Remember,these days "an Ironman race"means anything from an Olymipc distance to a 70.3 to what we used to call " an Ironman" ...

Maybe by the time the race is comfirmed Ironman will have started hosting sprint distance Ironmans as well..

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The article specifically stated 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike and a marathon. I don't know how they could possible pull that off.

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Laps around Central Park?

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2,500 Computrainers

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No idea how they could pull this off....in terms of bike route, the 5 borough ride starts in Financial District,and goes all over the place through all 5 boroughs ending on Staten Island and only comes in at 50miles! The disruption caused by shutting down enough roads to cover 112 miles would be insane.......how about 19 laps of central park???

Isn't the swim for the NYC Tri ridiculously fast because of the current? That is what I need for Ironman. A strong current and wetsuit legal!!!

anyone taking over/under on the entry fee?

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Haha, I'll play.

$650, +/- $25

This would be pretty awesome. Anxious to see how they structure the bike route. As far as the entry...close to a $1000 maybe? Totally worth the cost in my opinion for a race like this.

these guys can't even handle getting events right in depopulated areas like Mississippi and rural china and they think they can handle nyc?


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gran fondo was able to organize 100 miles ride this past weekend, given most of it took part in nj but you could closed down henry hudson parkway going up north and get enough miles for a 56miles loop.
fast swim in hudson and marathon thru manthatan, queens and brooklyn. it's feasible....the price at least 750

If they could do it I would be in. What a great excuse to come over to NYC! Cant see it happening but would love it. I did Challenge Copenhagen last year and it was great to be and around a city for the race BUT Copenhagen is not NY and the number of roads closed would be a nightmare! or just leave the roads as they are and wipe out a whole generation of triathletes in one race. would still come.

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Supposedly, the bike will be largely 9W and all of the areas we know so well north and west of the City.... The run would start on the NJ side of the Bridge, cross the Bridge and head down the Hudson Greenway. Don't know how they get 26.2 miles, but that's the gist.

if it happens i think we can expect to see a new level of pricing for "Premier Events" or something similar and wouldnt be surprized to see pricing in or around the $1 000 mark...

Maybe the boat basin in Apline for T1? That's a fun climb to come up out of!! Then, you could just run up 9W to West Point or up into Bear Mt.

Actually the bulk of the ride was in in rockland and orange counties in NY. It went through NJ to get there.

Sounds like a marketing ploy to me. Can't see them pulling this off.

The NYPD does an amazing job at shutting down/opening roads. I've been there for to Independence Days, a Yankee parade and an event that I don't even know what it was.

They can shut a road in the blink of an eye. Very heavy handed in the process. The way they open things back up is simply stunning. It has to seen from above to be fully appreciated.

Yes, it would be crazy. None of the events I attended were 8-17 hours.

The vast majority of people using cars in Manhattan are Taxis or folks that don't live in Manhattan.

The bike route could weave all over the place, and if they made it point to point rolling closures could be done.

Or they could have an open course and everyone rides fixies. You could also carry your T2 gear with you in a messenger bag.

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So it's really the NJ ironman that finishes in NYC? No way will they be able to get permits to shutdown those roads all day. The locals go nuts over Olympics and sprints shutting down a few roads for a few hours -- this would be an enormous amount of roads shutdown all day and it is a heavily populated area. The group that runs the NYC triathlon also struggles mightily to run the NYC triathlon properly. There's no way they would be able to manage an ironman properly without enormous screw-ups.

You mean the boat basin closer to the GWB (not Alpine).... don't know.... but I do know that the run will go into Manhattan and finish there.

I'd bet they "control" the entry with them all being Executive Challenge or Foundation slots at whatever the going rate is for those these days.

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This is going to redefine clusterfuck.

Yea, for this to make logistical sense they will have to NOT be in NYC for the NYC IM. Riding in NJ and NY State (through the various parks...Bear Mt and Harriman) would be the only logical way of doing this.
Th other option is to hold the even overnight. Traffic might be a little better.

Seems simple. Swim down the Hudson, do an out-and-back on 9W, then run 4 loops of Central Park. Oh, and do it from 7pm until Noon.

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Where is this true? (other than in ST forum lore)

Isn't the Hudson River kind of a cess pool that makes the Ohio River for IMKY look like swimming in Evian?

Few things.

1) I think someone up top suggested having T1 in NJ and T2 in Manhattan. I am not a logistics expert, but if someone can pull that off for an Ironman, I give them a cookie.
2) I would be completely shocked if they were to cross the GW bridge in any way or form. No way. Not happening.
3) The swim is the easy part - if you dont consider the currents that want to suck you out to the Atlantic. Opps.
4) The bike will be brutal. No way they can stay on Manhattan for the bike.

Options
1) East to long island
2) Up to Westchester and up near Poughkepsie,
3) West to NJ.

However:
1) Very tough to get through Queens/Brooklyn. Doable, but tough. Main avenues cant be closed to traffic all day.
2) Go through the bronx? Really? Once past that, it could be doable...again..closing roads for more than 5-6 hours...very tough 3) Very tough


5) Run portion. Two loops of 13 miles?...I thought the circle for central park was something like 6-8 miles. 3 laps of Central Park. eck.

I would be very interested to see this course. Would venture to guess. cross roads would need to remain open on the course. The course would have to move away from the city in some fashion, but most likely loops would need to be included.

nevertheless, people will do it.

oh and doing math....3,000 triathletes paying $850 a pop = $2.6 million. Add in sponsors and such, revenue can be $7-$8 million, but still...some bridges and roads are just too busy to close for one whole day...on a sunday.

No hotel, no airfare - start and finish in NYC - I'd pay 1k easily - be a lot cheaper than any other 140.6 race I could chose from.

As for the location - does IMLP take place just in LP - no - most don't - so leaving the city for most of the ride and bike - who cares.

The GWB is undergoing major repairs now with preparation of replacing the upper span and ramps in the next couple years (In NYC construction terms, that means the next several years). So it wil be a complete mess in 2012 and 2013

I believe with Harlem Hill added, the full loop is 6.1 miles. double and quadruple eck

There's zero chance that the Central Park Conservancy is going to issue a permit to basically shutdown the entire loop in CP for a full day on the weekend in the summer. The marathon only shuts down the lower loop and part of the west side for part of the day and it's (1) in November when not too many other people care about being in CP and (2) it's the marathon with 40,000 people doing it so the economic impact to the city is massive and, everyone knows someone doing it (that will not be the case with just ~2,000 people doing an ironman).

Having lived in Manhattan for three years, I agree. This is the only reasonable option. Traffic in Manhattan on Sundays is actually pretty light. Especially in the AM.

The bike would have to go North into Westchester county. Long Island is not an option. Queens and Brooklyn are too corwded, and the traffic in Nassau County is too heavy.

I bet it will be some form of two loop run going through the streets of Manhattan and ending in Central Park.

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For the location and potentially super fast swim time sign me up...no airfare, hotel etc...I'm in!

.....or for the bike they can do 100 loops of a 1 block rectangle in Manhattan and use race entry fees to have the businesses within the block to close for the day.
....and then have the run around the same 1 block rectangle. 26 loops.

Yeah, close the Garden State Parkway. Going over the Driscoll Bridge would be a hoot.

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There are lots of races in the Hudson and the water is fine.

They have the same problems any other metro waterway will have with street runoff after strong storms.

But as these things go, there's nothing wrong with the Hudson.

Start the swim somewhere around the Javits Center and head south towards T1 at the World Financial Center. Bike north along the West Side Highway and Rt. 9. Turn around somewhere in Westchester county and head back to the WFC and T2. Then run 2 loops up and back along the hudson, finishing at ground zero. Since I had 2013 as my year for doing an Ironman, I'd pay $1k for that.

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If it happens, this race would be on my "must do" list.... once.

Dont worry...you will have to.

I can't wait for this race. I bet the average finish time is 16:10 as every wall street high flyer with a huge ego signs up

Oh yeah, and make it a 12 hour cutoff. I know they won't do that, but they should.

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That would be a great course.

I dunno, running a major race like that in NYC, I can imagine that the RDs would have a pretty strong impetus to bring the cutoff down. Having roads closed is expensive, having NYC roads closed has to be ridiculous.

Maybe they could use the Sri Chinmoy course in Queens that is used every summer for a 3100 mile running race. 5649 laps of a .5488 mile course.

http://3100.srichinmoyraces.org/

Why are you always so negative about everything? Cheer up boy! Life is good!

Actually, it will be easier to handle logistics in NYC as oppose to less populated areas as NYC has a history and protocol on how to handle traffic re-routing, shut-downs, and such. NYC has hosted many major events, so this is not as hard as one might think.

Especially if most of the race takes place outside of the actual city, and NYC is used for the finishing line.

Really? Ever been to a WTC event? You can bitch about them all you want but they know how to put on an event. Is there any other group out there who could be expected to pull off a first time event with 2500 people in it nearly as well? While everyone raves about their local guy/gal RD and the grassroots feel nonsense, 250 racers and 2500 is not remotely the same undertaking.

That would be great! I've ridden over the new bridge b/w Sayreville and Perth Amboy which is fun. But cruising down the parkway would be awesome!

Actually, it will be easier to handle logistics in NYC as oppose to less populated areas as NYC has a history and protocol on how to handle traffic re-routing, shut-downs, and such. NYC has hosted many major events, so this is not as hard as one might think.

Especially if most of the race takes place outside of the actual city, and NYC is used for the finishing line
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Maybe swim in LI sound or bay areas off the south shore. They would have some great bike/run options.

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LOL, cutoff for amount of racers??? Better say that louder, I don't think NYRR and the NYC Marathon RD's can hear you.

Since when did triathletes start having a image as jerks ? The people in the financial industry have here a long time. You probably did not know they were from the financial industry because they are all pretty much not jerks.

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I think a point to point race with the swim and part of the bike in Harriman might actually make the most sense. Finish bike in NJ, run 9W to GW Bridge and finish the marathon in Central Park.
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Yea, I was thinking that too but you have two states involved....but I would like that race. I agree the best venue would be a point to point.

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That's the angle the Bloomberg story took, the article doesn't actually quote WTC as wanting to target financial professionals. Continue to bash WTC if you want but at least get the story straight.

Do you think that about Yachtsmen, or Polo players or those Red Bull flyer guys? Pretty sure all those folks are filthy rich and I don't just assume they are jerks.
The few always ruin it for the many.

I think the NYC should be a great place for a race and I can see it being a logistical nightmare. Even though I am not a resident, I think, if any city can pull it off is NYC.
Congrats to Wall Street thugs, they got their race, or I should not jump the gun until it is official.

I say send the bike through the tougher parts of the city... Call it the "NYC Warrior - Survive it if you can"

I disagree that "WTC knows how to put on an event". They get by as cheaply as they can.

   

"Ironman competitors have an average annual income of $161,000, according to World Triathlon."

“Our athletes come from a very high demographic profile, with high incomes and a high status within their professional pursuits,” Meckfessel said.



Really? $161k per year?

I'm a sucka b/c I'd do it, regardless of the entry fee, but our household doesn't make $161k annually?

That's because its the "average." Theres probably a handful of people that just make a killing, and that throws the numbers off big time. A more realistic stat would be the median income, which we'll probably never see because I'm sure its much, much lower.

This is from the USAT website. it's probably 2 year old info...

Income
Average income: $126,000

12.9% have incomes under $50K
14.5% have incomes $50-74,999
16% have incomes $75-$99,999
23.4% have incomes $100-$149,999
12.1% have incomes $150-$199,999
8.4% have incomes $200-$299,999
5.5% have incomes over $300K

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And I'll bet it sells out in under an hour at that price or more. I'm interested: NYC would make a great race destination. Much better than most of the other venues in NA.

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Agreed - I'm a manhattan based finance guy and universally considered a lovely person

I don't see why they would want to restrict a city-wide race to only one of it's counties. I believe the city can accommodate this, but Manhattan alone cannot.

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This would be an awesome event. The NYC Nautica Olympic tri was a blast and I can see pulling off a 140.6. I'm in!

Okay let's not get out of hand now :0) <insert pinky text.

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Interesting stuff....the only thing is that's data from everyone registered with USAT. I would imagine it is different from data collected from people doing IMs. But now I'm just getting off topic

Here's the best part of the quotes from the guy who runs WTC:

“There are a lot of entities and moving parts and permits that need to be completed,” Meckfessel said in a telephone interview. “This is permitting on steroids when it comes to New York.”

leave it to the WTC to use the word steroids in discussing a sporting event. They can't even do the littlest thing right.

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Does anyone else think it's weird that the article says

Ironman world champion Chris McCormack of Australia will speak at a June 7 event at theHarvard Club of New York City to discuss “New York City’s Newest Triathlon,” according to a listing on the Active.com website.

I wouldn't have picked Macca as the guy who's gonna make an announcement about a new WTC race

The WTC rarely actually put on the event themselves but instead license the Ironman brand to other race event companies/directors. In their defence, they do seem to take the quality of the event seriously if you consider as an example how they handled the Miami 70.3 debacle last year. At least Korff is experienced in putting on Triathlons in this city which at least gives him a head start over other possible event companies.

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Positioning themselves for an IPO...only a fool would buy WTC at today's bubble evaluations though.

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who has said he's not doing Kona this year and has expressed his frustration with WTC. I just can't believe he's the guy who will be announcing a new WTC race.

Target towards cash heavy yuppies for sure. Pretty much all IMs do this, but the venue here will attract all the NYC/DC fat cats.

I predict $1000+ dollar entry fees.

The oeople at the WTC saw my awesome thread from the other day and have decided to pull the trigger and make an 'announcement' although nothing is final......

Coincidence?

No.

Seriously, why today if they've been working on it for the last 3-7 years?

Because of me and my awesome powers of manipulation, that's why. (thanks for the platform Slowman)

I think it's a great idea and I want my entry fee comp'd.

A little hint to the folks at WTC: It's probably a good idea to have a 'Wall Street' size Pro Prize purse for this event rather than the bird-seed you have been paying out lately. Anything less is probably not a good idea.

Just sayin............

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"Target towards cash heavy yuppies for sure. Pretty much all IMs do this, but the venue here will attract all the NYC/DC fat cats"

Huh? Somehow you think that a NYC based race will attrack Wall Streeters but a Lake Placid based race won't? So, it's just a 5 hour drive that keeps a fat cat away from doing an Ironman? Don't think so.

It would be cool if they put a qualifying time like say 12hrs(obtainable for more people than KQ) on the event. Kinda like a BQ scenario.

Wouldnt that basically cut into the potential customer base that WTC wants to have in it's events? I'm not sure if every race has the same standard 17ish hour (I know IM Louisville is kinda weird time trial cut off), but I'm guessing, they'd scoff at the idea of putting in an time limit (especailly 12 hours).

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I think they would still sell out easily. Plus with faster racers it would decrease the lenght of time roads would be shut down. Boston has no trouble filling its race with their qualifying times. Plus in the IM community it would become somewhat of a badge of honor to complete IMNY(not quite to the level of Kona but a more realistic goal for most people-alot like Boston Marathon)

Reading the comments in this thread reminds me of the old adage, "Winners find solutions to the problems, losers find problems with the solutions."

So what do you do to the 1st time IMer? They are automatically ineligible?

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I know it won't happen, but I want this IM to have a shutdown time at 12 hours (7pm). It would still sell out.

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I know it won't happen, but I want this IM to have a shutdown time at 12 hours (7pm). It would still sell out.
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I agree it would still sell out.

As for the 12hrs shutdown that would cut most 50+ AG out. I agree 17hrs is a long time but there are people racing into their 70's some 80's and for them that 17hrs might not seem so long.

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Almost. Palisades Interstate Highway for the bike. Ross Dock as T1 and T2 and maybe even the start.

Most of you have no idea. Many things are not even nearly what they seem.

Entry fee? Best guess is 1k.

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i'm not sure about other races, but i believe the year after i completed IM Germany (frankfurt), the cut-off time went down to 15 hours. i heard it was b/c of the noise going on too late in the city center. maybe NY can have something similar? finish in time square under 13 hours!?

http://www.ironman.de/english/faq_en.htm


Q: Which time limits apply for the different legs of the race?
A: The swim leg has to be completed in 2:20 hours after the start, the first bike lap (96k) has to be completed until 01:00pm, the whole bike leg 10 hours after the start and the cut-off time for the Finish Line is at 10pm. This means the time limit for the whole race is 15 hours (end of the race is at 10:00 pm).

So what do you do to the 1st time IMer? They are automatically ineligible?

Maybe.

Personally, I don't have a problem with that.

Although, this is turning back on a vibe in the sport of lets'-include-everyone and everyone's-a-winner that has existed since almost day one. Consequently, you are going to get a HUGE backlash if you try to do anything like this and almost everyone will have a story and a rant how they don't like it.

What this has lead to is the feeling of entitlement for just about everyone in the sport that, in theory, there should be a spot on the starting line of every triathlon in the world for me and that I can enter any race that I want to.

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I like that idea!

This event WILL work. It will take some logistical work, but it's possible. I'm sure the race will go through NJ, upstate NY, Long Island, heck maybe even CT...but it will happen. WTC is sitting on a gold mine here.

And making a qualifying time is a great idea. Maybe 12hrs is too steep, but 13-14 is doable.

Exactly, and the reason I feel like an time qualifier at an American IM (this aint Kona, and far from it), just almost seems to go against everything WTC wants to stand for. Hell, but why even keep it specific to this event? I simply think with WTC running the show and it being potentially in NYC that they will get enough pull and/or can create an course where there is no need for time restraints. While it may be true that an 12 hour time limit would still fill up, what that also does is basically cut out an % of people that may just tell WTC to screw themselves and not do any more of their events (or do their 1st IM event). With WTC so business minded, I just have a very very very hard time seeing them put in such an aggresive time limit.

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It would be an amazing event if it is pulled off correctly. Born in NYC and grew up in Middlesex county, biking the Driscol bridge would be cool. With how wide the bridge is I would think they could hold it on Sunday after Labor day without too much interuption to traffic.

Any idea as to when during the year it would happen? With IMLP in July I think a early fall timing would be good? Mid to late September maybe. I think the qualifying idea is good I am sure there will be a exceptions just like Kona but overall a good idea. For first timers they could be allowed to sign up but required to do a 1/2 IM under a certain time before race day.

Who knows but this will be interesting and hopefully be good for the sport.

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I just have a very very very hard time seeing them put in such an aggresive time limit.

Perhaps they will have no choice. Maybe that will be mandated by their permits from NYC. Just speculating here.

With all due respect you have taken the view here that every IM race has to be the same. That other than the venue, you have to put them all in this box. All the IM races must be this way. Why?

Back in the late '90's when IMC was still the only continental IM race in North America and the entries were starting to overwhelm the event, it was floated that maybe half the entries would be qualifiers. All hell broke loose on the forums and message boards of the day. Seriously. It was a firestorm. I was a bit taken aback by the passion, ownership and sense of entitlement that so many had regarding IMC. Of course the event never went down that road.

The thing is now people have a choice - there are other IM races in North America than you can do. This potential NYC IM is not the only IM race around.

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"Any idea as to when during the year it would happen? With IMLP in July I think a early fall timing would be good? Mid to late September maybe"

Wouldn't that complete with Vegas and Kona - not to mention there is a great 1/2 just outside of NYC (this could cause permitting problems??) - Toughman in mid September.

I'd think/hope they would go more for mid-late June (they have no North East races then)

I'm not taking the view of anything, other than a business mindset that is my prediction that there is no way in hell IMNY will have a 12 hour time limit. That cuts out a very large large percentage of the consumers it can potentially get and keep (as you say IM isnt the only race on the block anymore, so to think they'll cut out potential 1st time IMer's to me, I just dont see it happening).

You talk like there are ten different IM time requirements, and that I'm stuck on the 17 hour time gap. Well, let me see, how many NA IM's are there, and how many IM's have the same time limit (both WTC and non-IM races;edit: Every endurance race is simply cookie cuttered both WTC and non-WTC, the only difference is the venue; it's the same swim distance, same bike distance, same run distance; it is what it is for 99% of "ironman" race distances).

I'm putting them in a box, becuase it works for WTC. I'm not saying it should/shouldnt be a time limit, more or along the lines, that I have a very very hard time seeing WTC actually implement an different race standard. If they do, it'll be among a few times they actually are outside of the box.

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Has anyone considered if this is the death of IMLP? I understand the WTC contract with Lake Placid is up in2013. I have family that lives in Placid and the locals up there are growing weary of the bicycle havoc created every summer weekend by self absorbed Ironman wannabes. While WTC certainly has put races in close proximities (CDA and Penticton, Tempe and St. George), it would seem odd to put two in the same state (even if you cannot find two parts of a single state more different than LP and NYC). Oh...and I have not seen anyone mention JUST how pleasant NYC is in mid-summer. The lovely smell and nice warm moist air of NYC on a July afternoon is something to be appreciated.

Still, the race would be epic. As would a race in Boston, Chicago, San Fran or any other major city. I wonder if this is a trend toward a new market given the high pitched rumors of an impending Ironman 70.3 DC. Imagine....Ironman London or Ironman Paris. Now THAT would be cool.

Not really directed at you. Ironman Japan had a 15 hour time limit. So, there is WTC precedent.

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Even with a 12hr cutoff they'd still sell out a NYC pretty easily. As a business, why wouldn't they want to make the same amount of money in less time, less hassle and keeping the city happy.

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I'm from NYC, but have no interest in a home IM. The swim will be dirty, and the roads full of pot holes. If they can use the route to the GWB, and up 9W, that might make it better. But loops in CP, or through the Brooklyn, Queens, no way. There will be many DNF's from running out of tubes/tires. Though the run could be fun.

I knew I didn't make enough to be participating in these sports. It's amusing to see some complain about the entry fee (which I also agree it's insanely high, but I suppose I can justify the cost in respect to the "safety" the organizers provide) and some ridicule others to suck it up when they gripe about how expensive the bikes are these days (I wonder what the overlap is in terms of people complaining about entry fees and owners of "expensive" bikes).

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If/when wtc puts in a 12 hour time requirement, I'll gladly give props to them for going "outside the box" and admit I didn't think they would do that (that I was wrong). Until that happens, I'll have my doubts with it, knowing now people can do an 70.3 "ironman". I just have my doubts that they would put such an aggressive limit into it's race, meaning no 1st timers, older age groups would have limited access, etc.

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That would severly limit the amount of 60+ age groupers that could race then. You sure you want to limit those age groups with this product?

Ok, I can tell that all of you talking about a 12 hour cutoff are men. A 12 hour cutoff on what wouldn't be a flat course, would mean that only a handful of women would be able to finish in time and probably no women 40 or 45 and older. No way that would ever happen. If anything, WTC would want to make sure there is a 17 hour cutoff, if nothing else for it would help them with PR stories that would appeal to all the 30- and 40-something active-ish women in the NYC area with money to spend in order to increase their appeal to that group (and the various races they can promote to them).

last year in imlp, there were 6 women and 51 men who were 60+. were you joking with your question or are you just completely unaware of how microscopic this demographic is in ironmen?

ok, 14 hours then. The shuts things down at 9pm.

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Where do the Kona slots come from? Reduce the amount from the NA races yet again?

You think those numbers are going to stay that way?

You want a Kona slot, do the Ironman China Duathon

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Time cutoffs:
9am swim
3pm bike
9pm run
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of course not but WTC sure doesn't care about losing 50 possible people from signing up when there are 100s (1000s?) in younger AGs who will be more than willing to drop over $1000 on the race.

Living in this area, mid-late June is a tough time to race an IM. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but finding training time would be hard. As for IMLP...who's to say they can't do BOTH that weekend. IMLP sells out faster than any other race (I think). I'm sure that everyone who gets closed out of IMLP will gladly move their IM plans a few hours South.

Interfering with other races in the area won't be a concern for WTC. The same reason that two food stores can co-exist in the same town or two stores in the mall don't put each other out of business, WTC can operate their IM and Toughman can keep their race.

Labor Day weekend might be a good weekend to do it. All of the NYC Bennies will be at the "shore" anyway! (sorry, I'm a beach bum at heart).

fleck - correct me if i'm wrong here, but wasn't that a feature of the old president's choice series back in the day? i seem to remember getting my old PC brochure in the mail, and reading that a race like, say, muskoka would have "x kona slots and y ironman canada slots." am i imagining this, or was there a time when you qualified for penticton?

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fleck - correct me if i'm wrong here, but wasn't that a feature of the old president's choice series back in the day? i seem to remember getting my old PC brochure in the mail, and reading that a race like, say, muskoka would have "x kona slots and y ironman canada slots." am i imagining this, or was there a time when you qualified for penticton?

Mike,

You are right . . but that was only for a handful of slots for the race. There was talk of making half the field at IMC slots that you had to qualify for. Never got off the ground.

Those spots at the Trisports races at the Muskoka Triathlon and the Peterborough Half were available and hardly contested for up until a few years ago. I don't think they have them any more.

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Hey i'm not disputing that - i think the sell out would be closer to 5 mins than an hour - and yes i'd be hammering my keyboard to get in - i think it's a novel idea and one that would create huge interest in the sport....

There are still IMC qualifying spots at the Oliver and Desrt halfs if I'm not mistaken - that may be different now since its been a few years since I've done those races
As for IM NYC - do they have to have it within the "city" or could they be thinking of taking over an established race within the area? Say in the Hamptons or say even Montauk?

    
I think that would make for a pretty bad A$$ course. This what I predict based on everyone's posts, and I appologize for not getting the measurements spot on... Close enough for illustrative purposes though!

• Swim: Ross Dock has a boat ramp like Oceanside. Long Run on the pavement out of water back to Transition though http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/34146958/

• Bike: The climb up to the Palisades Interstate Parkway will need to be paved, especially if the bike course goes North and river road, and up to Ranger Station before entering the PIP. 2 loops Out and back up the PIP to Stony Pt, 28miles each way. approx 3,170 ft of climbing each loop. 6,340 ft over the 112M. http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/34143874/

• Run: South along river road up hill to Hudson Terrace, accross the GWB, through Wash-Heights over to the Greeway and down to the passed the Water Sanitation Plant to the old school Fairway. Out and Back, 2 loops, 6.5 miles each way. approx 646 ft of climbing each loop. 1,290 over 26.2 mile http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/34145116/

The one problem with your course is that it's supposed to be Ironman NYC. There needs to be more of the race in NYC for me.

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I doubt the swim in the Hudson so downstream (strong tides) would allow for an out and back. More point to point as NYC Tri.
The run would be awful and the ramp to GWB is a bottleneck

In my case any fee would be cheaper than a destination event and if T2 is close to Midtown the possibility of taking a nap in my own bed is priceless

Where do the NEW YORK jets and NEW YORK giants play?

You win that round.

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Round 2 - Statue of Liberty

"The one problem with your course is that it's supposed to be Ironman NYC. There needs to be more of the race in NYC for me."

Probably have only a small portion of the race in NYC...how much of the Boston Marathon course is actually in Boston? It's all in the name...having said that, it would be too close to home for me not to sign up!

I wrote this on another thread, but I liked it and thought it should be posted here.

I'm calling it "IMGS" as in Ironman Goldman Sachs.

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"...I'm calling it "IMGS" as in Ironman Goldman Sachs..."

LOL...Post of the day!!!

Even if the majority of the course does not take place in NYC it will still happen on the roads that we all use to train. Of all of us NYC STers how many of our miles of training actually take place on the roads of NYC? I know that majority of my miles (especally bike) take place on the other side of the Hudson. I would be pumped to have a local Ironman regardless if I take one step in NYC on race day; as long as I can sleep in my own bed and go home after.

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I choked on my burrito when I saw that they were bringing an Ironman to my neighborhood (West Harlem). I have spent the past five years training on the same course that will be used for this race and am quite shocked that Ironman decided to bring this race to Upper Manhattan. Good news: Bike Course will be great. Good News/Bad News: Swim will be easiest ever if current is cooperating. Will be most difficult ever if the current doesn't cooperate. Swimming in the Hudson is quite pleasant if the current is at your back. Bad News: The date for this race is terrible. The heat during the run is going to be brutal. The person who makes dates for Ironman must be replaced. Poconos should be in August. New York City should be in October. WTC will need to buy extra ambulances for these races. Run course is disappointing. The run for NYC Triathlon is along 72nd Street and Central Park and is great. Run for Ironman New York will include long stretches on skinny bike paths in the sections of Riverside Park that the city doesn't maintain. I am heading to Lake Placid or the new Ironman in Quebec. Bad Bad News: The entry fee for this race will be insane. I bet that it will be more than the entry fee for Rev 3 Quassy, NYC Triathlon, and Timberman combined. Will it be $800? $1000? Stay tuned.

I heard 800ish to break even.

All I know is that I was rather excited to see the news on my lunch break today. I want to do my first full-distance in 2012, and what a venue it would be in the city. But, alas, I'm super frugal, and will probably opt for Rev3 Cedar Point or the Montreal Esprit just because they're cheaper. I can only imagine what WTC will charge for this, so I might have to continue my 5 year long stretch of never racing one of their events. I also thought about the heat; it can get pretty hot in the city on a nice August afternoon!

I was interested in seeing what the course was going to be like. As for spectators, this one is awful. If you go and see your racer off at the beginning of the race, you somehow have to get yourself to the exit...then do you stay there to watch them come in from the bike and then head out of the run...in which you then have to cross the GWB to get to the finish line....considering there is not much parking in NY, how are you going to get there...bus? shuttle? taxi?... So you finish the race in NY, but your swim and bike is over in NJ..do you really feel like walking back there to go and get your stuff after the race????

Plus August for a race in New York? Talk about HUMID......Plus what is the "U.S. Championship" all about? When I first read that, I thought it was going to be a race that you would have to qualify for?..i.e. winners from IMFL, IMAZ, etc would then go to NY to complete for the US championship.....doesn't sound that way to me...

Just my thoughts.

Mr Steve
2009 IMFL Finisher

Plus what is the "U.S. Championship" all about?

That's the WTC's way of saying to the Pro's that they are going to have a totally awesome prize purse!!

$10,000.00 total split 5 deep between the men and womens.

And I'll bet you think I'm kidding, dontcha.........?

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Add another zero Mojo...

http://ironmanuschampionship.com/...tes/about-the-event/

You just made me sick to my stomach and I hardly ate anything today.

Wow!!

One Hundred Thousand Dollars!!

Really!?!?

I could make more than that at the local Bow Fishing Tournament.......

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I'm quite shocked they didn't go with Sept 11.

Umm.... that would be a Tuesday.

BET entry will be over $1000.. Did you read that promo crap about avg income of ironman triathletes $162,000.. thats so far off and made up.
all it takes(out of 2000 people are a few execs or famous people with millions in income(just a few) or using household income when 2 married athletes who race and using combined income for each participant.
Someone needs to do a real number crunch... Its crap like thats made a once enjoyable affordable sport into POLO at the club type sport for the rich.

Assuming an entry fee of $750 for 2,500 participants, then the $100k represents 5% of the entry-fee revenue.

I am actually looking forward to what the volunteer options will be. I don't know if I'll race it (knee and all) but I wish the best of luck to Korff and WTC in getting this thing going.

So, which tri store will sponsor the race, SBR or JackRabbit? Or will it be R&A?

I wonder where all this kona slots for this and the new IM canada race are coming from?

Too much more focus on the US and then Kona could end up like the Baseball "World" Series.

Do you work for the PIP or how do you "train on the course"?
Will the PIP be paved?

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Agreed!! Even if the entry fee is $800 - not having to stay in a hotel with a five night minimum, eating out for every meal, travel cost, etc. saves THOUSANDS!!

Loved ones are going to have a tough time watching the start in New Jersey and then making it to Manhattan. There is very, very limited public transportation from the start to Manhattan. Getting from New Jersey to New York via the GW that day is going to be nigh impossible. The traffic jam on the 95/GW that day will be epic. Walking across the bridge also won't work because it will only be only open to racers. If they are smart, they will run a ferry from the start to the finish for volunteers and loved ones. I expect the number of people watching in New Jersey to be very small. They will get a big crowd at the finish.

They could rob the extra slots in IM Texas that they used to kick off the race, get rid of the general lottery and then the State of Hawaii and big island (which are now lottery) slots (I'd bet on the latter after this year). Or they can do what Paula stated publicly she wished at an IM race in Noth America last year and move the race fom Kona to elsewhere. Maybe somewhere that has more room fo more bicycles and swimmers. Maybe Germany ;)

Your point is well made though. WTC has lost a lot of overseas races, Malaysia, Japan, Korea, China (?). Perhaps the new head of WTC will make a few changes that might make the race series more global as well as a bit friendlier to those that pay the bills (age groupers).

Oh and WTC can't copyright o trademark World Championship, Rec3 or Challenge could just as easily have a World Championship as well.

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I bet Strictly gets it, if anyone. Its incredibly close to transition.

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it would essentially still have all the benefits of the NYCTRI; close to home, racing on your training grounds, and this time, not having to deal with all the Central Park pedestrians. Also, Ironman NJ or Ironman Palisades probably doesn't have the same attraction as IronmanNYC. I'm dropping $600, plus $1000 for my split share of an apartment for lake placid, plus gas and tolls having to take food with you, or trust local suggestions. $800 would be worth it here, and I can get my Fresco Tortilla for dinner the night before race day like I always do.