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Theory of relativity in terms of temperature...there always seems to be a lot of chatter about how cold the water is at Cd'A but when it's choppy and there are ~2700 people in the water temperature seems to drop down the priority list. Also, I think it maxed out at 80 degrees on the run and lots of folks from the northwest spoke of how hot that was - guess it's been a cool spring up there.

On Saturday while racking my bike I saw stumbled on this... road bike, no aerobars, a GPS taking up space to one side of the stem and a reflector taking up space on the other side of the stem....so how to affix the PowerTap head unit??Hmmmmmm???


Speaking of "~2700"...I heard officials make statements like "over 2200 athletes" and I saw in print "2200 athletes". Then I saw several numbers on the course that were in the 2700 range. Why the reluctance to simply state clearly how many people are registered or how many people start or how many people finish? I'd love to hear the thinking behind minimizing the real number.

Speaking of numbers....I saw this bike in transition as well: 12 gels on top tube. That's 1320 calories of potential knee rubbage. In full disclosure this guy rode past me on one of the climbs during the second loop, it was near mile 80 and he still had 8 gels on the top tube.


Speaking of climbs....we need a clearly define terms for hills on a bike course. The term "rollers" is used frequently to describe the topography at Cd'A but I think "rollers" are the smaller things like you might find at Vineman - while the Coeur d'Alene bike course isn't littered with mountainous sections there are still some climbs that aren't exactly rollers.

Another bike I saw in transition had these blocks of fuel on the top tube. My buddy Konrad was with me and he quickly verbalized his stream of thinking..."they're like bricks"....."maybe he's a mason"...."Mr. Gorbacheve, tear down that wall". That still has me chuckling.

Also, those are the Tacx bottle cages which always seem to me to be just slight bigger than normal cages (they may in fact be the same size but they look bigger) and in them are Arrowhead bottles that are a touch smaller then normal bike bottles so there is electrical tape around the top of the bottle holding 'em into the cage.

Saw a guy in an Elmo costume doing the race - that comment I made about 80 degrees being not all that especially hot - if you're in an Elmo get up, I think it's like racing IM China at 120+.

I saw a guy really pushing the limits of the "no bare torso" rule. He was racing in a red shirt with no arms, no sides and cut short - it was basically a long dickey that would flap in the breeze and briefly reveal his chest and back.

The pavement on that course is ~99% perfect. It's such a joy to race on a billiard table.

Coeur d'Alene seems to be like Penticton and other towns that are the perfect size for such a race: big enough to provide the services & volunteers (excellent by the way) but not so big that most folks don't know the race is in town. A really good venue.

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"Mr. Gorbacheve, tear down that wall". That still has me chuckling.

Priceless.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [shumphries] [ In reply to ]
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Imagine trying to tear the duct tape of those bricks

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Thats hysterical

And to think i've been stressing about the best way to secure 1 powerbar to my frame for IMFLA.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Ian, you're clever... obscuring the gu man's number (or trying to anyway....) so ST can't have a crack at him? I was looking at it thinking it was the oddest seatpost I'd ever seen.... :)
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Another bike I saw in transition had these blocks of fuel on the top tube.


Maybe he was smuggling drugs!?!?

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I didn't want to out the guy - and I think we've all see how resourceful some forum folks can be. We'd have the dues Social Security Number and ATM PIN up here in no time!

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Ian,
Thanks for the pics and comments, I'm always amazed at some of the stuff I see in transition. If you don't mind me asking what do you carry for nutrition on the bike for an IM? I have Vineman coming up in about a month, and I'd appreciate any advice you can give. Just as a point of reference, I believe my swim will be under 1:10, bike under 5:30, run right around 4:00.
Thanks for your any help you can give,
Scot
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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I guess I'm showing my ignorance now, But. Doesn't the actual powertap head unit need to be in the cradle to work for the bike? will it record just taped to whatever?
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ridindirtee] [ In reply to ]
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Scot,

Nutrition is a very personal thing whereby some folks have systems that tolerate certain types of...of...we'll I'm just gonna use the word "sugars" better than others and it's critical to discover which ones work best for you. I can also add this important note: it has a great deal to do with pace and heat. If you're doing an event and your effort is easy and the temp is cool then you can probably eat pretty much anything you like be able to digest that since you're going easy and it's not too hot. If it's hot and/or you're going HARD then there's greater risk of digestion issues. So it's not only critical to figure out what tastes good to you but also what you can digest when you're under specific race conditions.

You asked what I used so here goes:
Breakfast - 1/4 cup egg whites, 1 whole egg, half an avocado. Oatmeal w/ raisins and so much cinnamon that it stirs to look like chocolate. Caffeinated tea.
On da bike - primary source is an electrolyte drink (for lack of a better term) called "Super Charge" from New Performance Nutrition. I also drank some UCAN. I gobbled up a lot of Saltstick caps and snacked on a good ol' fashioned peanut butter and honey sandwich in special needs.
On the run - PowerGel chocolate is my choice and I can never depend on aid to have that flavor so I open 4 into a Gel flask and run with that. More Saltstick Caps and then after 13.1 miles I go cola and pretzels from aid.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Garry] [ In reply to ]
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The cradle for the wireless version is just plastic and serves no purpose but to attach the head to the bike. His (or her) version is cheaper, though...
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The cradle for the wireless version is just plastic and serves no purpose but to attach the head to the bike. His (or her) version is cheaper, though...


ahh.. gotcha.. My bad. I was thinking the cradle on the bike was like the cradle that transfers data to sync with, so the prongs on the back had to be hooked in somehow.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Speaking of "~2700"...I heard officials make statements like "over 2200 athletes" and I saw in print "2200 athletes". Then I saw several numbers on the course that were in the 2700 range. Why the reluctance to simply state clearly how many people are registered or how many people start or how many people finish? I'd love to hear the thinking behind minimizing the real number.

There were 2262 people who started the race...seems like that's about what they stated.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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You're right, nutrition is a very personal thing. The Cervelo with the "bricks" is mine. Those bars provide about 2400 calories. I spent many years with stomach problems on long workouts until I discovered that I need more calories than most people, and it needs to be solid. So I make my bars, and have slowly tuned it to meet my needs. Now I can race long, and not have stomach issues. I also don't waste any time with special needs bags.

They are taped to the top tube with electrical tape, with folds that create pull tabs. They actually come off quite easily. I rode a steel cyclo-cross bike to a 6 hour bike split at Silverman last November using these bars, so this is a strategy that works quite well for me.

And yes, the bottle presented its own problem. I have always had good luck finding some bottles of water at a local store that will fit well into a bottle cage. In CDA, all I could find were these, and the bottle did not fit. So I used a little tape to keep that bottle from launching. I used the bottle mounted on the stem first, then (using another pull tab from folding the tape) moved this bottle to the stem. It worked quite well.

Unfortunately, I broke a spoke in my rear wheel at about mile 30. The tire rubbed the frame, causing a flat, which I fixed. (At the time, I couldn't figure out what caused the flat, so I just put in a new tube and took off.) A mile or so later I went through a corner and realized how out of true the wheel was. I stopped, saw the tire had removed the paint from the seat stay; the carbon had just started to wear. I waited about 1.5-2 hours, then finally support came by with a wheel. It was a Dura-Ace 50mm carbon wheel, where the carbon was broke. That wheel was only slightly more true than my wheel, but it was good enough to allow me to ride back in, and I pulled out. I was just not mentally in the game after standing around that long.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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Paul,

I'm sorry to hear about the mechanical at Cd'A.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Uncle Phil] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle P - I ask this not because I doubt you but because I'm curious. Where did you get the number 2262?

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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there always seems to be a lot of chatter about how cold the water is at Cd'A but when it's choppy and there are ~2700 people in the water temperature seems to drop down the priority list.

Word.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks...

I realized that I really didn't drive home my point. The point is this: we all make decisions regarding risks we are/aren't willing to take while racing. Some people prefer a risk trade off that makes for a light and "clean" bike, but leaves them having to use more aid stations (where crashes are more likely) and/or dependent on special needs (which sometimes get lost or otherwise mixed up). This strategy also risks having to completely stop for a volunteer to get what you need, in the event they just handed someone else the product you want.

Others, like myself, tend toward a strategy that makes the bike a little heavier and cluttered looking, but frees us from many aid stations or special needs. We also get the exact nutrition we desire.

I choose a little extra weight, and know I will have the exact nutrition I want, and nutrition that works. Others choose to use more of the aid stations. I don't see this as right/wrong, but different takes on the risks and trade offs involved.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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Paul, it's a very long race and getting through it requires that each athlete gets exactly what they need. You're smart for having made the decisions that are right for you and locking those down.

I can say that the second aid station on the bike was in an odd spot - a slight down hill/false flat and we had a tail wind there. I went through there in lap one at ~25 mph and the water bottle that I tried to take up bounced off my chest first then hit me in the nuts before rolling around on the road. That was just a low probability location that can lead to the issue you bring up!

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Paul,

What are your 'bricks' made of? They look like chocolate chip banana bread...which is making my drool on my keyboard.

John
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They are: oatmeal, raisins, cinnamon, honey, bananas, apple juice, egg white, salt, and chocolate chips. They are similar in texture to an oatmeal cookie, but not as sweet. They have enough salt to provide all my salt requirements, and that reduces the sweetness some.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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The way it works with the numbers when race weekend comes is this. Ironman does know how many registered for the event but that number does not mean a great deal on race weekend. We knew there would be between 2200 and 2300 at CDA. So I personally said over 2200 or under 2300 a few times during the week. The real number is the one I receive on how many athletes enter the water. We started 2291 and 2096 finished 91.5%. These are the numbers I announced at the awards ceremony. As a side note you would be really surprised how many athletes pick up their number and bags at the expo but do not start the race.
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Is that you Mike? Wow, I never considered an athlete who would pick up their number and bags and not start. That troubles me. We need a consult/psych tent in the expo where they can come and discuss it I hate to hear all that prep, travel, etc. etc. would end in a DNS.

By the way, your voice has now become synonymous with pain relief for me. I, like so many others, was hurting deeply in the last 5k and your voice coincides with the finish and the joy. It's pavlovian. Thanks for being there.....again!

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [IMVoice] [ In reply to ]
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There should be some sort of penalty/ban for someone that picks up a packet and then no-shows (unless they have a REALLY, REALLY good reason). These races sell out and these people are taking a spot away from someone that wants it. Although, I guess it is probably unnecessary. If they trained, got there and then chickened out before even getting in the water, they probably won't be back anyway.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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I respect your ingenuity, and you seem like too nice of a guy to make fun of.

But.....man......ummmmm, if I did that, the bricks would come out looking very similar to how they came in. Granted, I guess they could then just be re-used on the run course...

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The Cervelo with the "bricks" is mine. Those bars provide about 2400 calories. I spent many years with stomach problems on long workouts until I discovered that I need more calories than most people, and it needs to be solid. So I make my bars, and have slowly tuned it to meet my needs. Now I can race long, and not have stomach issues. I also don't waste any time with special needs bags.


I just realized something. You are dripping sweat on to these bricks all day long. When you eat them, you're replenishing some of your lost electrolytes - Brilliant!



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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [timboricki] [ In reply to ]
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If I was a betting man, I would think that many of the people that pick up their packet and then DNS are those that signed up for the race months ago, planned and paid for the trip (non-refundable of course) and then got injured, sick, etc.

So you are stuck being unable to race, but also stuck with a vacation to (insert race). I would think many want the "freebies" in the packet/bag since they paid for the race and are on location anyways. Remember, races aren't transferable so they aren't really stealing anyone's spot.

Ian - congrats on the race! You went much faster than you made me think you were going to. ha!

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I did just that for an oly early this season ... a race i've done 4 of the previous 5 years ... I was looking forward to it and 2 weeks out i got the flu which lasted for 10 days. I had no symptoms the day of the race, but I was feeling weak and just out of it ... so I went and met some of my friends who were racing, checked out the expo and bought a pair of running shoes, picked up my swag and took off. I suppose I could have completed the race ... but I wouldn't have enjoyed it and who knows if it would have made me sick again. while it sucked completely I decided that in this case discretion was the better part of valor. I'm certain everyone has their reasons.
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I got my number from the unofficial results. I'm not sure what the difference is with Mike's number, but the point is they certainly aren't trying to deceive anyone...
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Being that I am the guy with 12 gels on my bike, I can say that I am honored that I have made the bigtime here on ST. I also can say that I completed the ride with 2 gels remaining on my bike, and if I passed you at mile 80, you would have seen 4 or 5 on my top tube. I do a gel every 30 minutes and usually don't take them at aid stations, but sunday I did, so I didn't go through all of the gels on the bike. BTW, I am short, so my legs never touch the gel packets. This has worked for me in the past, so I didn't think there was any reason to change things. As it was, I did not have a good day sunday, and had difficulty with the heat, which got oppressive for me by about mile 18 on the run. After stopping in the shade and resting and drinking for a while, I was able to continue, albeit walking most of the way back. Now if this was directly related to my consumption of all those calories on the bike (which came out to approx. 325Kcal/hr with drinks and solid food, I am 5'7" and weigh about 165#, so my BMI is what you would call "labor intensive"), then I am open to suggestions as to how to properly deal with this.

Oh, the seatpost is just a cheaper carbon fiber post, nothing fancy. The number must make it look funky. I like my K-Mart bike with the Neiman-Marcus wheels.

Also, to back up what Paul with the bricks said, I don't like to leave things to chance w/ special needs, and carry everything on my bike. A little extra weight doesn't bother me as much as a lost bag or getting t-boned at the special needs.

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John,

Sorry to hear things went south at mile 18. I rode with two gels on my top tube (taped up so they wouldn't scrape my knees - I'm a bit taller than you and ride a p2 so the top tube doesn't slope like yours so I've had some knee contact in the past) and finished the ride without touching them. I'm with ya on the not leaving anything to chance and PowerGel is an immediate source of energy.

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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Well - there's been two out of three. can we make the trifecta with the owner of the powermeter taped to the reflector responding?

Another thing I noticed - the run splits that were/are on the tracker are misleading. The 3rd segment shows pace at mile 21.7 but the timing mat was really at mile 20.7 so it looks like were were super fast through that section and super slow through the last segment. That's really deceiving if you're not aware of it.

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Agreed. It may also be people that think they're going to race at packet pick-up and then get sick overnight or have something else happen (a family emergency) that keeps them from starting. When you're talking about 2,300 registrants, that could easily be 50-100 people.

But its funny how on ST the quickest explanation people always jump on for anything is that other people are crazy, stupid, cowards or unprepared idiots. Even this thread started off with an air of "look at these idiots." Then, low and behold, 2 of the people with the "funny" bikes show up and, it turns out, they each had reasonable explanations for their approach.
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Another thing I noticed - the run splits that were/are on the tracker are misleading. The 3rd segment shows pace at mile 21.7 but the timing mat was really at mile 20.7 so it looks like were were super fast through that section and super slow through the last segment. That's really deceiving if you're not aware of it.


This is a consistent problem as I had the same type of results last year at CdA.

I was think WTF, but I checked the winner and his splits and balanced out my run.

It was also confusing to my family who was relaying updates to my sisters who were spectating.

Looking through the bike setups give you ideas of what might work for the future. I have a franken-setups with a kestrel airfoil with ramshorns and clamp-on aerobars, dual bento boxes - one attached to the headset and the other to the seatpost, and a 58-50 front chainring.

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Sluglas,

It wasn't my intention to write an "idiots" thread - in fact I commented on being passed by the guy with lots of gels, blurred numbers and the bricks on the top tube were more about the comment that went with it ("tear down that wall"). I'll be certain to put less stink on such a post in the future to be sure and avoid that feeling.

I think you are right about the DNSs - with ~2200 starting there are bound to be a few last minute family emergencies and illnesses. What worries me more are the folks who just panic and think they can't do it so won't go to the start. That makes me sad, I hope there aren't to many of those.

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Being that I am the guy with 12 gels on my bike, I can say that I am honored that I have made the bigtime here on ST. I also can say that I completed the ride with 2 gels remaining on my bike, and if I passed you at mile 80, you would have seen 4 or 5 on my top tube. I do a gel every 30 minutes and usually don't take them at aid stations, but sunday I did, so I didn't go through all of the gels on the bike. BTW, I am short, so my legs never touch the gel packets. This has worked for me in the past, so I didn't think there was any reason to change things. As it was, I did not have a good day sunday, and had difficulty with the heat, which got oppressive for me by about mile 18 on the run. After stopping in the shade and resting and drinking for a while, I was able to continue, albeit walking most of the way back. Now if this was directly related to my consumption of all those calories on the bike (which came out to approx. 325Kcal/hr with drinks and solid food, I am 5'7" and weigh about 165#, so my BMI is what you would call "labor intensive"), then I am open to suggestions as to how to properly deal with this.

Oh, the seatpost is just a cheaper carbon fiber post, nothing fancy. The number must make it look funky. I like my K-Mart bike with the Neiman-Marcus wheels.

Also, to back up what Paul with the bricks said, I don't like to leave things to chance w/ special needs, and carry everything on my bike. A little extra weight doesn't bother me as much as a lost bag or getting t-boned at the special needs.

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Have you considered just using 2 gel flasks which each hold 6 gels in your pockets? It's a lot easier to suck on those than fussing with all those packets.

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The other option is to just use on course nutrition. Then instead of taping on and ripping off gels (and the associated aero penalty, whatever that is) you can have someone actually hand them to you.
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [Paul Dunn] [ In reply to ]
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we all make decisions regarding risks we are/aren't willing to take while racing

I choose a little extra weight, and know I will have the exact nutrition I want, and nutrition that works. Others choose to use more of the aid stations. I don't see this as right/wrong, but different takes on the risks and trade offs involved.

Paul


Yet you chose to use wheels (for perceived aero or weight benefit) that, if you broke a spoke, would result in a DNF.

Sorry that you had a mechanical that ended your race.

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The other option is to just use on course nutrition. Then instead of taping on and ripping off gels (and the associated aero penalty, whatever that is) you can have someone actually hand them to you.


I actually consider that much more problematic. Getting bottles at aid stations is one thing, having to slow down and be hended gel's is another.

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it looks like bricks of hash...not that I would... er.. know what that...ah.. looks like....
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Re: IM Coeur d'Alene random observations, thoughts and pics [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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I've posted this photo a billion times on this board, and it ain't even my bike:



Seeing as it belongs to a Kona AG winner, I suspect that he wouldn't have blown by you at mile 80, since he'd have been way ahead a long time before that.

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There should be some sort of penalty/ban for someone that picks up a packet and then no-shows (unless they have a REALLY, REALLY good reason). These races sell out and these people are taking a spot away from someone that wants it. Although, I guess it is probably unnecessary. If they trained, got there and then chickened out before even getting in the water, they probably won't be back anyway.


actually they are not, this has been discussed many times before. IM, with its years of experience, is able to estimate the number of no-shows pretty accurately. The race was probably set up for 2200 and as he said about that many started. I don't know if they sell 2700, 2500 or 3000 spots but they are very good at predicting how many will tow the line on race day. so, nobody's slot is being taken away. in fact by doing it this way they are able to have more spots available (and make more money).

who's gonna be the judge of someone's 'REALLY, REALLY good reason? slowtwitch?

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The other option is to just use on course nutrition. Then instead of taping on and ripping off gels (and the associated aero penalty, whatever that is) you can have someone actually hand them to you.


I actually consider that much more problematic. Getting bottles at aid stations is one thing, having to slow down and be hended gel's is another.

Worked for me. I found that the kids that were handing out gels would actually run alongside so I didn't even have to slow down much. Much better than dealing with a whole bunch of crap on your bike.
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The other option is to just use on course nutrition. Then instead of taping on and ripping off gels (and the associated aero penalty, whatever that is) you can have someone actually hand them to you.


I actually consider that much more problematic. Getting bottles at aid stations is one thing, having to slow down and be hended gel's is another.


Worked for me. I found that the kids that were handing out gels would actually run alongside so I didn't even have to slow down much. Much better than dealing with a whole bunch of crap on your bike.


You found kids who can run at 22mph?! Nice! ;)

Surely 2 gel flasks hardly constitute a "a whole bunch of crap"?

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Yet you chose to use wheels (for perceived aero or weight benefit) that, if you broke a spoke, would result in a DNF.

Yes, that is true. For years I rode a steel Ritchey Breakway Cross. Part of my rational was that I knew the bike was very hard to damage in transit. I also train on that bike, which is ridden mostly on trails, and sometimes very demanding/rough trails. So the bike is well tested in conditions much more demanding than a triathlon. I also trained and raced with Spinergy Rev-X wheels, which are bomb proof. I only decided to purchase a dedicated TT bike after placing 6th overall at Silverman last year. I figured that I had a reasonable chance to qualify for Kona, but I didn't want to give up what I calculated to be about 5-8 minutes worth of time due to my bike choice, as that amount of time is about one third the total time between the first and last qualifier in my AG.

So I knew I was taking a risk, but it was a risk that I felt I had to take.

I'm really not to down about the DNF, and IMCDA convinced me I will never race a WTC race again; unless they change to TT or wave starts. The swim was a miserable experience (lots of body contact), and I am surprised they don't have more serious injuries or deaths as I think it is dangerous. The bike course was crowded to the point that it really slowed me down just trying to get through traffic, not to mention all the extra energy spent accelerating only to then slow. The bike is also dangerous with that many people, all riding aero, while only being a few feet apart.

But, I can't wait for Silverman (November); that is a really great race.

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Ian, you have got to be the nicest poster on ST.
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And why not try to be. I'm it's right there in the name....peace!

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Hi Ian. You probably didn't intend to come across that way and I apologize if that's how I read it. I just get irritated because it seems that many people primarily view ST as an outlet for showing off the size of their member and trying to demonstrate how superior they are to everybody else out there. There's a fair amount of macho posturing and high school style bullying and berating that goes on here and I find it tiring.
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Yeah, there's a lot of dick measuring that goes on - and...anonymous dick measuring, which could be seen as suspect but I just assume that everything written here and anywhere on the internet is the absolutely the truth!

When you boil it down - we all value athletes, we're into triathlon, we have this place to share thoughts and vent. There is soooo much more that we have in common than in ways in which we differ.

Ian

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Ian, I also think split #2 and #3 are off as well, or at least one of them. The return leg from the top of the hill back to the ~14 mile timing mat turn-around was actually a bit longer than the outward leg, as you did that little right turn to go around the finish line area that you didn't have to do on the way out.

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Oh, the seatpost is just a cheaper carbon fiber post, nothing fancy. The number must make it look funky. I like my K-Mart bike with the Neiman-Marcus wheels.

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If you look at the pic, Ian's twisted the number up in photoshop so the ST regiment wouldn't look up your name in the results. Trying to keep you anonymous, so it looks very weird.
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Let's be honest - when you ride a 5:11 and run a 3:22 what does it matter where the mats are you're probably going so fast it's all a blur!

Impressive, congrats on the slot.

Ian

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thanks!

well you know, I'm a stats guy, and I like things to be orderly and accurate.

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What happened to that nap? ha
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What happened to that nap? ha

I'm putting head on the pillow in 10 minutes.

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I have, and when I dropped both of them at mile 20 of IMLP back on '06, I decided it was easier just to tape the packets on the top tube. I end up with a few empty gels in my back pocket that I ditch at the aid stations. I actually don't view any of it as a fuss, and since I am clumsy and drop things, having them taped to the bike seems pretty convenient.


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They are: oatmeal, raisins, cinnamon, honey, bananas, apple juice, egg white, salt, and chocolate chips. They are similar in texture to an oatmeal cookie, but not as sweet. They have enough salt to provide all my salt requirements, and that reduces the sweetness some.

recipe, please.
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Did anyone else notice the couple right around mile 5 that was out there banging frying pans together at the side of the road ALL DAY?! I passed them four times and they made me chuckle every time, except the first time, when the noise scared the shit out of me and made me think my bike just fell apart or something,
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YES, yes. Just the two of them sitting behind a concrete barrier out near the turn around near that stand alone restaurant called something like Tony's Supper Club. I noticed them on the first loop and had a laugh as well and then on the second loop I thought "good god, they've been making all that noise for over 2 hours?!?!!"

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