exactly--thanks greg. I love dictionaries.

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So are you saying that people who wear a full team kit are trying to make people believe they are something they are not? When I see a 50-something year old man wearing a full USPS kit, I don't think: this guy must be really fast or: this guy must think he is really fast. I just assume he/she is a big Lance fan. Do you really think that guy you saw wearing the polka-dot jersey on the American River bike trail was trying to prove what a great hill climber he was?? You yourself wear USPS bike shorts and you aren't exceptionally fast. Do you only see a difference when someone wears the entire kit w/ matching frame?

I must admit, while I have a Kelme jersey and shorts, I have only worn them together once. I just don't like to match that much.

I generally go by the rule that you shouldn't wear any team's road kit that you don't belong to. It just seems less poseurish. I know that most sports fans will disagree with me, but hey, they're only my own personal rules (that apply to me).

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You mean that when people come into work all excited because "WE" won last night, in reference to their favourite hockey/football/baseball/basketball team, you don't assume that they are part of the squad?

I usually ask them what position they play and how many minutes of gametime they saw :)

[quote]I generally go by the rule that you shouldn't wear any team's road kit that you don't belong to.[/quote]

Does this mean you are saying someone shouldn't wear a football jersey for their favorite NFL team? What about wearing a NY Yankees ball cap? As an alumni, is it OK for me to wear a T-shirt with my former college's logo? But as soon as that t-shirt is a basketball jersey it transforms me into a poseur?

I believe people generally wear logoed sportswear to demonstrate their affection and loyalty for "their" team. Loyal fans are really the driving force for professional sports. I don't see anything poseur about it.

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A poser to me is the guy with the spiderman ski suit, skis a foot longer than his height, who stays in the lodge and talks a mean story. If the same guy goes out on the bunny hill and is trying and having fun - great - he's showing you and everyone else exactly what he's got - not a poser.

As long as you're out there doing it - wear whatever you want.

I got a question for all? Would you wear a Hawaii Ironman shirt/hat/etc if you never did the race?

My $0.02 ....

You shouldn't wear the gear unless you've done the race. Also, it is poor "t-shirt form" and a definite sign of a rookie if you wear your new race t-shirt on the day of that race.... 24 hours is acceptable :)

Let's see, I own a bunch of fancy bikes, all my clothes are new and I have a ton of sunglasses but I haven't rode in four weeks............. That would make me a poser!

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All I can tell you is that in road cycling circles (and, yes, I realise this is a TRI forum), it is generally thought of as tacky.

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My 2 cents as well.

to me a poser is someone who misrepresents themselves... Talks a big game then eveytime you want to go ride / play / whatever they don't live up to their talk... or they don't go out with you at all
their shortcomings are usually this is chalked up to a bad day / equipment / workout / etc. I think that a person takes on the title of poseur when this happens consistently.

Clothes or equipment don't make you a poser, misrepresenting yourself makes you a poseur.

Be honest and humble and you will never become that which you loathe...

Quote: "A poser to me is the guy with the spiderman ski suit, skis a foot longer than his height, who stays in the lodge and talks a mean story. If the same guy goes out on the bunny hill and is trying and having fun - great - he's showing you and everyone else exactly what he's got - not a poser.

As long as you're out there doing it - wear whatever you want.

I got a question for all? Would you wear a Hawaii Ironman shirt/hat/etc if you never did the race?"





First, if that guy was dressed as you say and on the bunny slopes, hes a dork. Why does he need that aero suit if hes going 1/2 mph before he crashes?

Second: "As long as you're out there doing it - wear whatever you want." Thats my thought exactly. I'm not telling you guys what not to wear, I'm telling you what i wont wear---and as you say as long im out there i can wear what i want, or not wear what i dont want. And what i want is to not wear a full team kit unless im just as fast as the guys on the team, or was once on the team. So for the guy who wears his alumni stuff around no problem in my mind, I wear my UC Davis Rowing stuff and my UC Davis cycling stuff----cause i was on those teams.

Third: I would never wear a shirt from a race unless i raced in at least part of it, volunteered it, directed it or sponsored it. You know why? If i wear a race shirt that says Hawaii Ironman Finisher 2001, everyone will ask me, "Did you race there, how was Hawaii in 2001, i was there too, how'd you do etc." Saying, "No, im just a big fan of triathlon." doesnt cut it to me.

Tom, youre not a poser, youre a cycling/triathlon enthusiast.

You guys are reacting like im attacking you or something, dont take it personal. I'm just expressing my views. Isnt that the point of a forum? If its not and im mistaken please fill me in on the exact reason this forum is here.

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Another thought on the poser definition ....

someone who is more concerned with how they look while at the event vs. how well they race

The bunnyman definition of a poseur is this:

a) Anyone who has a purpose-built race bike and never gives it a go, even once in the bike's lifetime. This would include the people who have a freeride mountain bike that they use on the bike path of the local park, and the bike is parked longer than to bring out the picnic basket.

b) One who tells all of the war stories, yet you couldn't have ever recalled seeing him at the races. All of the war stories are usually very vivd, almost soap opera-like. Usually, they get found out as others talk to each other (as the racing circles are nearly incestuous).

c) Talks about his/her PR (and it's a good one) and gets dropped at the first hill on every group ride (unless they have had some injury; i.e. collr bone, etc.).

I do not define one who wears full team kit as a poseur, unless they want to try and impress on you that they should be PAID to wear that team kit. I will call them a bit of a snob if their team kit matches their bike, but then, atleast everything matches. Now, if the person mentioned in the last sentence just rides around the block or the park bike path (and never race), then they deserve as much ridicule as can be poured upon them. And maybe a good ass whoopin'.

I also do not define a poseur as one who has the coolest bike, yet places consistently low in their racing. At least they get out onto that bike and go.

I would also call anyone who is a celebrity and calls themself a trithlete and only does one leg of a tri a poseur.

Heck I don't even have a definition of a poser. I have never even given it a thought. I saw a couple yesterday on their cross bikes all decked out. I thought how cool they ride together, I hope they motivate others to try. I wish I were there, I can't wait to get home on my bike .
When I got home I put on my UPS stuff got on my 5200 and rode a great comfortable pace, a couple of times I even sprinted pretending I was Lance. Went to the bike shop and the owner said Hi Lance, I pointed out How lance calls me for fasion advice!!!! Stopped to talk to a school board member and she said what 's with the Postal service stuff, I said it's Lance Armstrongs team . She new of Lance and asked alot of questions about riding. I invited her to attend the free triathalon unit I teaching the month of Feb. at the fitness center.
The point "don't judge each other---just have fun" Oh forgot I cussed a car!!!!!!Great day of riding(cussing cars is my weak area---I'm trying to quit, Im on the 10 year plan)

From how on I'll try to use spell check!

I won't give a complete definition, but here are a couple poser indicators. ..

1) Anyone who drives a sport-utility that does not either (a) live on a farm or (b) live in a tent or (c) live in a third-world country.

2) Anyone who rides their bike around Central Park in NYC.

-Marc

>1) Anyone who drives a sport-utility that does not either (a)
>live on a farm or (b) live in a tent or (c) live in a third-world
>country.

What about d) lives in a snowy climate, e) likes to go camping f) likes to go hunting g) tows a boat h) likes to improve their odds of surviving an accident i) has a large family j, k, l, m,.....

This anti-SUV liberal clap-trap trend that is going on is irritating. Let some "ecologically correct" tiny car hit me in my Suburban and we'll see who is less likely to get hurt.

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I agree with jeremyb. I'm a lot more worried about looking like a dork than a "poseur", probably because no one would ever mistake me for a professional athlete. I might wear a St. Louis Cardinals shirt, but I wouldn't play a game of pickup softball dressed in a full Cardinals uniform including pants, leggings, etc.

BTW, the "don't wear the T-Shirt the same day" advice applies to ALL sports. :)

my personal opinion is this...

Someone who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.

This can manifest itself in wearing finishing T-shirts for races you havn't done, (that i would never do). Full team gear is a sticky question, but i would never do that because it is (generally) misrepersenting yourself as something your not, and while you might be a fan, to go all out in postal clothing with the trek bike in matching colors just doesn't work for me, this holds especially true if that person doesn't really ride it. (it's just tacky). I do however disagree with Allens definition that "isomeone who is more concerned with how they look while at the event vs. how well they race" I personally am very concerned with how well i look coming down that finishers chute, you gotta do things in style!.

My .02

David

     Bill, you hit it on the head. People who wear NFL/NBA/MLB jerseys and are not playing the sport are fans. If, however, they are decked out in full uniform for a pickup football/basketball/softball game, they are major poseurs. The same holds true for cyclists. I would have no problem wearing one of those awesome wool Molteni or Cinzano jerseys as casual wear, but I would never dare to wear one on a ride.

(BTW, here is the link to the Molteni/Cinzano jerseys: www.velogear.com/merwooljerby.html. Way cool!)

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Heck, I can't even pull off being a poser. I live in Illinois, about 60 miles south of CHicago and if I wear a Team USPS shirt or hat, people ask me how long I've worked at the post office.

Think of your world as having two spheres of ethics - or standards. One that is what you can stand in the world... expectations for other folks, and another that is about your expectations for yourself. This allows you to have such high standard as 'never whereing a teams jersey of which you are not a member' for yourself - but allows the rest of the world to do as they want. It releases you of the urge and the weight of judgemental feelings and behaivior. You can use those things to better your self image if you want... but life is much better when you let the little things go.

my 2 cents

My definition of a poser is someone with a great sense of humor. There is this old guy who owns a Lance/TDF Trek replica. He wears his yellow jersey whenever he cruises out to pick up a six pack. Doesn't quite have the same impact when I do it on my TCR or old 12 sp.

...we should borrow the Supreme Court's definition of pornography and reword it for poseurs:

"I'll know one when I see one"

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I believe you have just summed up why I hate SUVs. You don't need an SUV in a snowy climate and If you need a suburban to go camping, its not camping. You would think that people weren't able to survive pre-SUV from all that. As far as accident safety, SUVs are not more safe and they would probably flip over if I hit you with my "ecologically correct" car. Not to mention the aggressive driving mentality that nearly all SUV drivers seem to have. Not to mention the fact that gas guzzling cars keep us at the mercy of oil producing countries.

We should all ride environmentally friendly bikes...yeah right who would do that!!!

I fail to see what connection there is between all the excellent reasons to be anti-SUV, and liberalism. SUV's are the epitome of spendthrift profligacy, quite antithetical to conservatism. Just because Bob's SUV can easily kill someone in an ordinary car doesn't make it a good idea to drive one. Rather the reverse, I would have thought.

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you city dwellers crack me up. If the wife and I didn't have 4WD there would be many weeks each winter when we don't make it to work or we don't get home due to Ice , Snow, Mud, downed trees. yes I carry my Chainsaw in the back all winter. Living in the mountains has its price of admission that I gladly pay

The rest of the year we take both of our bikes and gear to the races in one vehicle [6 cylnder 20mpg SUV by the way]

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Eric, though I don't require a chainsaw, I drive an SUV to get me where I want/need to go. I live in Boulder, CO and spend a fair amount of time in the backcountry all year. Without 4wd and the clearance of my SUV, I couldn't do that.

To say that nobody needs an SUV (paraphrasing) outside a farm environment is laughable. Yes, many people have gotten along without them in the past. A lot of people did OK without antibiotics as well.

I consider my last statement as ridiculous an analogy as some of the anti-SUV comments that have come before.

is that chainsaw gas powered? or is it one of those "can't cut through soup" electric jobbies?

'cause ya know, that gas powered chainsaw is just another example of our dependence on oil producing countries...

How is it that threads can deteriorate so quickly? :-)

Woody (also a 6 cyl. 20 mpg SUV dude)

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20" bar Stihl gas guzzler :-) because up here if you need the chainsaw 9 times out of 10 the power is out and will be out for a few days.

that reminds me, I have to finish hooking up the new generator to the propane tank this weekend before I get to go for a couple of 50 mile rides

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A 20" Stihl, propane, and an SUV... Eric, I feel like I know you.

lol, well I was out last season with a busted wrist but if you raced in Northern Cal. I officiated at every and I do mean every USAT Sanctioned race...so you may know me.

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I know Eric. ;-)

clm, who doesn't live on a farm, but does drive a big black pickup truck since it carries four bikes and four people

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Hi Cathy

Mr Dolley and yours truley are going for an easy LSD on Sunday, want to join in?

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I couldn't agree more. If some people don't want to wear team gear unless they are on the team, fine. If they wont by an expensive bike unless they are TDF material, fine. But, for some people, if it takes wearing a Yellow Jersey with USPS Shorts, and a USPS Trek, fine. That is their money gone, good for them that they have it to spend.

The only thing i don't like is people faking what they are. These people usually stand out, most people know they are posers. In this case, just dont pay attention to them. You know what they can really do. But more importantly, you know what YOU can do. If telling a big 'fish story' (sorry, im a hick at heart) gets them on the road, fine. I still have more respect for these people than those who don't get off the couch all day with the exception of going to the bathroom and the fridge. Just my $.02, take it or leave it.

I never dreamt that my definition of "poseur" was going to amount to a pro/anti SUV thread. I have no opinion on the SUV debate.

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boy how this thread has deterioted.

Around here, if someone shows up for the group rides wearing a team jersey, it usually means they are on that particular team. I remember last year at the Palomar Challenge when I was out warming up and thinking when I saw this guy wearing a Saturn jersey and a team bike, "what a poser". Luckily I didn't say anything out loud, it was Trent Klasna.

I do agree with the earlier post, whatever it takes to get you up and off the couch and on the road.

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I tend to never say anything, as I have become a reformed bad behaviour-type. The former behaviour got me eating my toes on occasion. The biggest thing is that you never know who is really wearing that jersey,as the type of stories you told have happened even in St. Louis, MO.

I am with you on the "what ever gets you off of the couch" mentality. I was a couch potato after an unsuccessful career as a USCF racer. I have been on that couch.

Dude, just try going back to a car. I made the switch back (from an SUV) and I am so much happier. Better MPG, more comfortable, more stable, faster, chicks dig it. Sure, I jam things into every spare inch when I do road trips with gear, but it all fits.

Think about it this way, most approaches to hiking or biking trails in Colorado have two trailheads, one for cars and one further up for trucks/SUVs. Why not stop early and hike the rest, or take the real-man's challenge and navigate a 4x4 truck trail with a 5" ground clearance Geo Prism.

My point is that you are better off buying gear for normal use and then having a little challenge when you push it's limits than buying gear for extreme conditions and then wasting it's potential 99% of the time.

-Marc

Your points are well taken. My choice is half laziness [my 80lb dog and wife in the Metro, plus gear, apres run] and half utilitarian [I don't want to be known in Ouray as "The Dude Without the Oilpan"].

I could certainly make do with a 4wd or awd car 70% of the time, as you say. But the other 30% seems to come up at the most inopportune times.