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The Boston is definitely the cheapest in the US and has the best oxygen production AFAIK because it is larger and has the longest fronds. A larger indoor plant however would produce even more oxygen. If oxygen production is your most important criteria, I suggest a leafy large plant/tree such as a Ficus.

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That is real interesting. I never even thought about a ficus. thanks.

Obviously, oxygen production is real high on the list. It is not my sole criteria though.

Can you recommend a good ficus?

The two most popular ones you'll find at your nursery are the common ficus... and the variegated ficus. The former's leaves are green. The variegated ficus has either white or yellow perimeter streaks in the leaf pattern. I prefer the white-streaked variegated ficus... as it blends better with most interior decor. I suggest you get the biggest ficus plant you can find that fits in your room. It might cost more... but the looks and oxygen production are worth it. And don't be dismayed when your ficus sheds its leaves soon after you move it in. This is a common response from the plant when you change its environment or even change the amount of sunlight it gets. The plant will soon recover with new foliage as long as you don't water it too much.

What type of nitrogen ratios are we talkin?

You know. I am still diggin the idea of a few nice ferns. Maybe I can combine a ficus and fern in the mix. Anybody ever try those new silk ferns. Kinda cool. I don't know how you clean them though. I've seen some dusty silk ferns in my life. It ain't pretty.

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean? The plant absorbs 90% of it's nitrogen from the soil in it's pot. Just use a common interior plant food. Miracle grow products are good. But don't overdo it. Too much nitrogen in the soil can burn the outer roots. Get the biggest pot you can find. And it needs light. It is a semi-tropical plant from Asia that ends up being a huge tree in the wild (a fig tree).

There shouldn't be too much nitrogen emitted from the leaves. If you are worried about toxins produced by the plant... you can have a test done on a typical air sample from the room. On a typical day swirl a small plastic bottle bottle around in the room and close the lid tightly. Then send the sample off to the Environmental Protection Agency, Air Testing Laboratory. I think they are charging a small fee nowadays for this service, so you may want to check their website.

But realistically, the risk of toxins especially nitrogen and carbon monoxide are very small. An ionising air purifier would probably be sufficient to take out most common impurities.

If thats how you want to spell it.

Thanks. I am thinking about the Ionic Breeze Quadra S1737 SNX. Do you have any experience with them?

You know that silk ferns have much less oxygen production than natural ferns don't you?


I like the idea of a ficus/fern mix though. These plants occur together in the wild.

Yeah, but it keeps the cats from eating them...

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I guess that is right. I was never able to solve the dust problem anyhow. Maybe i will move the silk one down on my list.

Whatever you do... steer well clear of any model of Ionic Breeze. Sharper Image is going out of business and I think they had huge problems with the Ionic Breeze's being returned because they were malfunctioning. I think you would only be able to get them used on ebay or craigslist anyway. There is no stick long enough to touch them with AFAIK.

Oh. Never thought of that. I don't have cats and am highly allergic to them. Yet, I don't want to foreclose the possibility of getting one because of poor foliage choices I made early in life. Do the cats eat them much?

Here's a picture that shows how big a boston fern can get and how much leaf area it has to produce natural oxygen. Be careful though if you are training at night. Plants emit carbon dioxide at night and only oxygen during the day.

All plants emit CO2 at night or just the Boston fern? This is troubling.

Do you have a picture of a Boston and a ficus together? I am trying to get a sense.

I don't have a cat either but I think the main problem that I have heard from other indoor plant hobbyists/horticulturalists is that they can get jealous of the plant(s) if you give them too much attention and/or you have a cat who's prone to jealousy. Best to attend to the plants needs without the cat being in the room... and I think both pets will get along fine.

Cool. Would a fan do the same thing as an ionizer?

The fan is useful when you are on the trainer... for keeping you cool. It doesn't detoxify the air or remove impurities however. And please don't put the plant in the path of the air being blown by the fan. The effect of constant wind stress (which is highly unatural) is very distressing to the plant. Remember plants are living things that can only talk to you by getting sick or being healthy. Constant wind fan stress tortures a plant. This has been evident from trial and error among indoor plant owners and horticulturalists over decades. The plants nearly always go into a distressed/sick state. Don't do it. But the fan on you instead of the plant is fine. You still will need the ionizing air purifier/filter.

I don't like the arrangement but this can give you an idea. This is a relatively small ficus.

Why would I put the fan on me if my ions were all out of kilter. But I hear what you are saying about the plant stress.

I agree. There is no balance or rhythm in the arrangement. Its just thrown together. I am thinking that the ficus is going to be a center piece with the ferns being accents. I am a bit stumped because I am inclined to put the ferns up high. But that would really create asymmetry.

While on the subject of indoor plants... there are two things which I do which I have found from my experience, really help to make happy plants. First of all, the tropical plants like ficus and ferns like an acidic type soil. There are additives you can buy... but I have found the best acid to add is tannic acid... and I use used tea leaves to give the plants this nourishment. Lipton tea bags opened up are good (the leaves are ground and absorb better). The tea leaves are also good food for your roses and azaleas outside.

The other thing I do, which I'm a little self-conscious about revealing... is that I massage my plants. I usually just lightly rub the leaves (making sure to go in the direction towards the stem during the night, and away from the leaf stem during the day). For small trees like the ficus... I will start the massage at the base of the trunk and lightly caress the trunk bark and limbs... until I get to the ends of the limbs... then I move to the leaves. I don't have time usually to do all the leaves... but as many as I can. I have noticed that the plants respond very well to this treatment and the limbs and leaf stalks seem stronger and stiffer as a result of the treatment. I know there is no scientific evidence for this AFAIK, but it seems to help for me.

Had some Boston ferns on the back porch for a while in baskets, but I ended up getting rid of them because they shed leaves like a mofo.

How about a nice spider plant? They're the one kind of indoor plant I've had good luck with over the years.

Arrangement is a whole new huge subject. I agree with your instincts. Whatever you do... stick to odd numbers of plants... be aware of the light needs of the plant. Think balance (I think you already know that judging by your asymetry comment). If you can raise the ferns above the floor... especially boston ferns with hanging fronds... it is good IMHO. It also helps the plant to avoid being eaten by a cat or a small child if you ever get a cat in the future.

Oh a spider plant opens up a whole new world of possibilities. 'thanks for the suggestion.

I am allergic to cats.

Good suggestion. I agree. Forgot about the spider. Watch out for mycotoxins and vomitoxins though. Shouldn't be a problem though if the room is large enough.

I would never use Lipton. The stuff comes from really third rate estates mainly in Africa. The tannons in Lipton are really seriously way out to lunch. I prefer a nice Fujian or Yunnan. I know many people dig the darjeerlings but I find them a bit greenish for my taste. Lately I've been doing a nice Ceylon/Sri Lanka with a scoop of single estate Assam for my iced tea. People think I am crazy for throwing Assam into the mix. I just think it provides some well needed earthy-ness. I do stay away from the chinese teas for iced tea. The chocolaty overtones are a bit much for the summer. You know, iced tea is supposed to be refreshing.

Are you sure about the toxins not being a problem. I think the room is about mid-sized. I want to make sure that we are on the same page about room size. Its about as big as the back bedroom on the second floor. Is that big enough?

Then you should be aware of small child risk. Children love to pull boston fern fronds and deleaf them or just eat them. The best ways to stop this is to raise your ferns out of reach. If your ferns are left within reach of your young infant.... keeping your young kids well fed would probably help... especially with enough nitrogen in the diet... because I assume it is the nitrogen that the child is seeking in the leaves.

You sound like you know your teas. I think they will all be fine for your plants. As far as personal taste goes... I usually drink Queen Elizabeth tea when I am drinking tea with friends at home. I am not a fan of earl grey despite its popularity.

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Do the kids go for the tuberous with the same type of vigor as the Boston?

I'm not sure how big your room is on the second floor? If it is about mid-sized then your training room is probably big enough. It gets to be a problem when the room is smaller than about 20ft x 20ft without any circulation.

I agree about the Earl Grey...and even the Lapschong Sooschong for that matter. Tea is so wonderful by itself that there is no need to flavor. I know I am in the minority here.

I don't know what that is in metric.

The tuberous sword has upright fronds so is more difficult for a child to eat. Having said that... it is advisable to leave the tuberous sword on the floor due to it's shape.... so the risk is higher of being eaten in that case. This is only an issue if you have young kids in the room though. I don't know if you have young kids or even if you did... it would be easier to keep them out of the room.

You know what I am thinkng. The tuberous might help with my balance and symmetry problems. It might be worth the poisoning risk if that increased risk is only marginal.

Would you still think that odd numbers of plants are the way to go if I threw in some spiders. I don't really want to go overboard but spider plants are beckoning to me now.

I checked an online conversion site... but you can do this yourself. It's 6096 mm x 6096mm

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You sound like me before I got into the horticulture hobby. Stay away from plant nurseries!!! I can't resist bringing a new pet home every time I go to one.

The spiders are a great plant to add as a filler...and they'll even work outside. You can hang them or sit them. But always check them for spiders. They attract spiders to nest at the base of their leaves near the crown and this is how they got their name.

Really? I thought they got the name because they look like spiders with all those legs. Learn something new everyday.

You don't have to warn me about nurseries. I know the dangers already!!!! Can't pass one without stopping in and picking something up.

Of course the CO2 issue now has me worried. Should I be moving the really big plants outside at night or just get a CO2 detector. Does the switch over from ozygen to CO2 take place after sundown or at bedtime?

Well you know that spiders have eight legs right?

Moving the plants stresses out the plants. The best thing to do I think is to either train just in the daytime... or have another place in the house to train at night.

AFAIK the transition from oxygen emission to CO2 emission occurs at the instant of sunset... but I'm not absolutely sure. One way I've heard to delay the process is to keep the room well lit after sunset. Apparently this can delay the transfer process. You may sleep more comfortably with the lights on as well... if you feel that the plants won't be producing CO2 while you're sleeping. I have never worried about this though... because I don't have too many plants in the bedroom.

while informative and helpful, you two do realize how gay this conversation is... right?

I've decided to sleep with the windows open tonight just to make sure. First thing tommorrow I am going to buy a carbon monoxide detector.

Good night. I have to go to bed so I can get up early and watch the Tour.

I know many gay guys who aren't into indoor plants so I think that's unfair.

no, no! I am genuinely interested...

Not calling you guys gay. Just the conversation. :-)

Thanks for the clarification. No offense taken.

What are your thoughts on taking a dump in the plant's pot? You know, carbon cycling and all...

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I'm not sure how serious you are with your question but it does bring up an interesting point. So much carbon is wasted everyday when the world flushes their toilets. There are plenty of nutrients in human feces but defecating in your plant pots is problematic on a few counts, off the top of my head.

1. The excrement from a carnivorous or omnivorous animal doesn't make good fertilizer in its raw state. It needs to be composted first.
2. The feces would produce a noticeable and undesirable aroma in the room to most people.
3. It would be hard to defecate in the pot in a dignified manner to any onlookers, and avoid the risk of missing your target pot or smothering your plant (especially with small plants and pots).

The main problem is the first one though. The feces need to be composted. This can be achieved by placing the feces in the outdoor composter with other plant organic materials containing some nitrogen (or just a pile of leaves and lawn clippings would suffice). If you don't wish to carry the feces out to the composter, you could relieve yourself of your excrement directly into the composter I suppose. The feces should have broken down into a soil like consistency within two weeks if the compost reaches the ideal temperature and oxygenation. Then it can be used as superb plant food for your plants.

This is America. We are on the phonetic system.

Wow, with the way you handled that question, you sound like an expert.

Please post up your mailing address so that we may all start mailing our produce to you rather than wasting it by flushing.

Wow. I read all three pages of this.

Plants. Did you see the mythbusters sketch on taking care of plants; talking to them, music etc?

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Okay, ferns need ALLOT of light and like a humid area...better off in the bathroom with a skylight.

Ficus (fig)...pretty moody but easy to handle. They like to drop leaves and if they get changes they get mad and drop their leaves.

Rubber Tree...if you have some decent light easy to handle and clean.

Peace Lilly....good one day...dead the next.

Hibiscus....great flowers, easy to handle and needs light

Orange...prickers are cool and easy to maintain in moderate light

Rhotodendron - need to keep the soil proper and watered...but easy to grow and some nice flowers.

Philodendron - hard to go wrong, easy to grow and looks good with the vines.

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You should do some research on the flora and fauna of your next "A" race and surround yourself with native species.

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Good suggestions R10C

The ferns humidity issue was something I neglected to pass on. It's especially problematic in winter when there is less light and much less humidity inside with the furnace on (assuming one isn't living in Florida). I have found a humidifier/mister to be very helpful.

The hibiscus is really an outdoor plant. If you buy it for indoors in the spring... it goes dormant... doesn't reflower... and you throw it away in the fall. Not a nice thing to have to do to a plant pet. If you can keep it on the patio...maybe... but it is going to struggle in most winters here... being a tropical plant. When I see them indoors... I can almost hear their soul crying.

Philodendron is a great idea IMO. Big leaves. Hardy. Fast growing. Also likes humidity but much more hardy than the ferns.

The hardiest no-brainer indoor plant that doesn't require mountains of light and grows like a weed is the pothos vine. Lots of oxygenating leaf area. Need somewhere to trail the vines though.

I am thrilled to report that I purchased a carbon monoxide detector for every room in my house this morning. I really couldn't sleep knowing the dangers I was facing. Thanks so much. You may have saved a life.

What is the difference between a humidifier and a mister? How do I know which I should buy? Any recommendations on a brand?

That's an interesting concept. But most native species don't do well indoors. Each race you're competing in though can have varying surrounding flora and this can contribute to varying performance in my opinion. I don't think varying fauna will have any impact though. Unless they get in the way of your bike... :-)

Quite frankly... I don't think the various pollens and toxins of the varying surrounding flora will have as much impact as one's normal training emphasis on aerobic functional threshold power... so it's probably not worth the effort to mimic this environment in training.

Wow...you work quickly on problems. I usually procrastinate a bit.

The carbon monoxide threat is very real and can come from your furnace, gas stove and fireplace... as well as your plants. Just remember to avoid the common error of locating the device high on a wall or on the ceiling. CO is a colorless, odorless poisonous gas but it is heavier than air at normal room humidity... so you need to place the detectors on the floor, preferably away from walls, in an open location. If you place them on the ceiling... the whole house may be saturated with carbon monoxide before the detector goes off.

This is actually very good news and a relief. I sleep on the top bunk of a bunk bed. I suppose that my risks up there are less than the risks faced by my wife.

You want to get a mister for the plants, not a humidifier - one will water the plant, the other can leave mineral deposits all over your room if you have hard water.

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Well you're correct... but I'm not sure why that is good. Your wife will go into coma before you do from carbon monoxide poisoning.... but since radon is lighter than air... you will be the first to die from lung cancer as a result of radon poisoning. Radon as a risk varies depending on where you live (I presume you are in the US... apologize if I have assumed wrong).

If you have a CO detector on your bedroom floor... the risks of CO poisoning are minimal. You are pretty much powerless though if you have radon leaking from the ground your house is sitting on.

I tend to agree.

A good mister/humidifier is produced from Japanese Design House ±0. The Mister Ver.3 has two different modes (Standard mode runs for 8 hours at 300ml/hour and Long Run mode which runs for 18 hours at 130ml/hour.) It measures 12.0 inches in diameter and 6.1 inches high. It is probably ideal for what you need. You can pick it up at Lowes I believe.

Cascading Waterfall is another good brand if you want to buy American.

Wow. I do have a detector installed low on the floor now and my wife has agreed to move to the top bunk. Pretty cool.

You might have an increased risk of small children eating your ferns in about a year or so now... ;-)

I suggest you get a radon test done asap or wear a radon mask when sleeping if you are in the US and not living in the south east and you want to rule out this risk. Especially if you are sleeping near the ceiling.

I'm not convinced the radon masks work though as advertised because radon is an inert gas. It must have something to do with it's radioactivity that they are able to trap it. Either that or it is a gimmick.

Wait. I'm not being taken for a ride here am I? I've been lurking here for over a month and finally found a thread topic I fely I could help with some advice. I hope you are not fooling with me. I have never met a husband and wife who sleep in bunk beds yet. Please don't take offense if I am off the mark. There is nothing wrong with sleeping like that.

I'm wondering if a CO2 scrubber is in order? For safety's sake, its probably best to speak with the local Home Depot or Super Walmart horticulturist.

Good suggestion... especially if you are concerned by global warming and like and support Al Gore. The scrubber not only reduces the risk of inhaling excessive CO2 at night due to plant breath... but will neutralize some of the CO2 that is in the air due to automobile exhaust pollution as well.

Man. I didn't know that such an animal existed. Thanks. Cool.

TFF. Any suggestions on a CO2 scrubber?

If TFF means "Thanks for fark-all" I think you need to be a little more polite when asking questions Jeff. But I might be wrong???

Actually, a CO2 scruber isn't a bad idea considering climate change and all. I have one in my shelter, along with a water purifier, short wave radio, 6 months supply of food and water, and an AK. I have seeds from various plants stored there too so that I can begin growing my food once it is safe to surface again. I will post pictures of my trainer down there too. I have 2 spare bikes down there all set up with a generator so that I can actually put some power in the bank and keep fit too. I may post some pictures if I can be sure I wont give away where I live. Don't think your plants will survive in the shelter unless you get some indoor growing lights and a hydroponic system. I thought about it, but didn't want to raise the suspicion of the men in the LBH's. I wonder if I can find one used for cash?

WMD shelter?


There is no way I would leave my plants to die. A sun-mimicking lighting system and/or terrarium would be worth the cost IMHO. Most of my plants wouldn't be transferrable to a hydroponic system.

Amron International seems to have some nice CO2 scrubbers. Anybody have one and have any opionions on it.

I am wondering if I need to lay a concrete pad down in the room before installation.

Do you have any ferns down there?

Ferns would be one of the most difficult plants to look after in a shelter for anything more than a week. But it's doable. You will need a huge tank of water down there though to support yourself, family and the ferns. Ferns are thirsty plants.

I was thinking the same thing. I hate to say it. silk might be a good option.

Actually cgrout... you just reminded me of a little experience I had with a so-called Home Depot "horticulturalist". I asked the resident HD expert in the garden section if I needed to shake any of the soil free from the roots of the potplant after taking it home and repotting it and then trimming the outer root ball before surrounding it with fresh pot mix. I just had an inkling he was speaking BS and wanted to test him with a Gardening101 question. He replied "no". Need I say more about Home Depot "horticulturalists"?

Plants would be difficult down there. I did a test run with flourescent lights and purified water, but natural sunlight just works better. If I can find a hydro system and some real growing lights that I can buy for cash than I might go for it. I will have plenty of time on my hands, and hortaculture would pass the time nicely. As for silk, it might not be an awful idea just to have the color, but I wouldn't want any of my buddies to see them before the shit goes down, so probably not.

In all seriousness, you guys do have a plan for the coming age, right? We are being light-hearted a bit, but the bank collapses are part of rider 3, and there isn't but one more rider to come. God bless.

Practical in some ways...but silk plants are dead to me IMHO. I'm sorry. I just can't help but think of the living plant that has been left to die in a nursery because someone couldn't be bothered putting a little effort into nurturing it.. so they went for the low-maintenance fake one instead. That's just me though.

The Amron International CO2 scrubbers are good... but they're usually used for diving decompression chambers, from what I can find out. I don't think you will need to lay a concrete pad down as they only weigh about 30-40 lbs when fully loaded with scrubbing chemicals. You may need to use an array of them for your house. Maybe 20 or so. They would be ideal for use in a closed shelter though as that is what they are primarily designed for.

There aren't too many on the market yet...but I think there will be a lot of scrubbers coming out soon.

Buying plants from a Big Box Chain is dangerous for many reasons, not the least of which is that they are produced in seedling mills where genetic purification is taking place. I wouldn't have one near my home. Go into the woods for your house plants if possible, and get your food plants from somewhere such as: http://www.naturalgardening.com/...tools&group=sale It is hard to get wild plants to thrive out of their environment, but it can be done. You can also be sure that there wont be any animal genes or other mutations in them like: http://www.sciencentral.com/...article_id=218392477 I don't mess around with any "science" like that. It is all government funded, and you can bet that it will make you nothing but more tired and docile.

About the only luck I've had with harvesting natural plants for houseplant use is, believe it or not, woodland ferns. They didn't grow too well though. The biggest problem is that most houseplants need to be tropical as tropical plants can withstand the lower light conditions and aren't seasonal. You may find some on the Gulf Coast that are suitable, but most are not suitable I think.

Natural plants for your outdoor garden are a different story though and I fully agree with you. They have more resistance to pests and weather as well.

I didn't realize that genetic alteration was going on in the wholesale sources for nurseries. I am totally against this too. Very passionately against it. If you are interested in doing something about this together, that will hurt these plant mills somehow, you can send me a private message.

I am opening the windows again tonight until I get this resolved. Heading to the library tomorrow to figure out where I should put the CO2 detectors.

Did you know that there is a fungus under the soil of Wisconsin, covering hundreds of square miles, and that it is the same organism? Is this merely the wonder of nature, or government experimentation gone horribly awry? Perhaps the government is breeding plants in the seed mills that will easily succomb to the WI fungus? Not sound like a rabble-rouser, but perhaps we should stock up on antifungals (by the pallet, I know people in commercial distribution) and find a suitable site for a freehold?

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Okay... that scares me somewhat... Do you have any web links?

I have it...I got it! What you need to grow is moss and algae! This is perfect because you can use it as a floor covering. Also, on top of producing Oxygen, it will also produce Hydrogen - that you can collect and power your car with! And SO classy....just refer to it as "Land Coral"....

So, you cover the floor with algae and in that algae you plant a few philodendrons. They algae will be sure to keep the roots moist.

I would also remove the external vent drain from your sump pump and instead have the ground water go to a sprinkler system that is suspended from your ceiling much like the water sprayers in a grocery store.

I mean, this gets you super star Al Gore points!

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All the links have been wiped. There's a group that posts information to the web, based somewhere near LaCrosse, but rumors say they've been silenced. And how about histoplasmosis? Spread by "bird droppings"... It's only been a major factor in the Ohio and Missouri River valleys since the government rolled out UAV's. I think they're working to expand the WI fungus with remote control drones. I hope I haven't said too much, but the word must be spread.

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Chip, for Rockford Illinois you are truly the metro-sexual male I have ever met (online). Most chicks should magnate to, nonetheless the Neiman Marcus designer 7 jeannes and pink bike. LOL. You friggen rock it out Chip. Mister as opposed to humidifier? Come on dude, WTF? HTFU and get to LP and lets see you at WhiteFace Climbs Friday 6am on the Pinky Pink Princess bike with the pink bento box. Even injured, a warrior your like you should be able to pull out a sub 1:00 WF climb.

I must say, after a brief hiatus from slowtwitch, this is the second thread I've read and I cannot stop laughing my ass off. Thanks for reminding me why I originally got addicted to this place :)

Its not just Wisconsin. Its spread throughout the upper mid-west and huge parts of Canada. Its international. Its the largest living organism on earth. I certainly believe that the government has something to do with it. Likely the Wister Institute too.

This gets into dangerous territory. Are you considering the nightime spikes in CO2 emmissions?

International?!?! I had a feeling the Trilateral Commission was involved. This certainly strengthens my convictions.

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Was he pulling my chain with the mister recommendation?

No we need the ST Resident resident MD doctor student Jodi to weigh in here. With the rotations we have all read about, heard about and lived through I feel like she can weigh the final vote on the "fern" debacle. BTW, I never understood when one may call themsleves a Physician/Doctor? Like a law student calling themselves and lawyer or a drinker calling themselves a drunk?

At first I thought you were joking... cause it's such a crazy idea... and maybe you were joking... but the algae/moss idea is possibly or potentially doable. The main challenge to overcome IMO is having moist soil inside the house and the disease risk (not easy to wipe up a milk spill) and also the drainage situation. The moss would have to be kept in a semi-moist state which makes living on the floor covering a bit uncomfortable, and probably dangerous.

It would have to be a house designed from scratch. The main issue is that you would need so much energy to replicate outdoor conditions... that you would probably be still leaving a substantial carbon footprint.

You did of course know that it was Nixon who used the North Korean made weather device to move the jet stream to be sure that the weather was proper to grow this "super fungi". For a few years the machine went unused as the jet stream stayed in check (I think however that was more do to the "earth tipper" that took the earth from 21 to 23 degrees shortly after WWII).

The weather device was last used by George Bush to steer hurricanes and crime ridden cities in Louisana.

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George W. or H.W.?

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How do you know this!?!? You live right across the border from WI. Are you there to monitor progress? You bastards better not come after me! I took the fillings out- you can't track me!

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Fillings? Bah!

Remember that night you got all drunked up on your snowmobile...that "dream" you had about aliens and the anal probe....

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You know...the thing that always made me suspicious when Hurricane Katrina was on the Weather Channel heading towards the Gulf Coast was that they were forecasting the hurricane was going to hit the New Orleans area like four days in advance... and it barely changed path on it's predicted bullseye track. And nothing really happened by the government to prepare until it was too late. It would make sense that the government knew in advance and had something to do with it.

Having said that... the idea that the US government has a device that can control weather is very hard to imagine. I understand chaos theory, that a butterfly farting in China can cause hurricanes in the Atlantic... but those effects are all random. To be able to control weather would require something almost unimaginable in force and energy. I don't think it's possible... but I wouldn't be too surprised if it existed... given the evidence you've shown and that where there is smoke... there is usually a fire.

I've been in therapy for that dream. The probe was not the worst aspect. The terrifying part was that it was performed by Wookies wearing Richard Simmons and Ellen DeGeneres masks.

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HOW TO LEAVE THE PLANET

1) Phone NASA (tel. 0101 713 483 0123). Explain that it's very
important that you get away as quickly as possible.
2) If they do not cooperate, then try to get someone at the White
House (tel. 0101 202 456 1414) to bring some pressure to bear
on them.
3) If you don't get any joy out of them, phone the Kremlin (tel
0107 095 295 9051) and ask them to bring a little pressure to
bear on the White House on your behalf.
4) If that too fails, phone the Pope for guidance (tel. 010 396
6982).
5) If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer
and explain that it's vitally important that you get away
before your phone bill arrives.

WHERE YOU SHOULD BE HEADING

Where everyone else in the galaxy is heading. Stay in the
swim, hang out in bars, keep your ear to the sub-etha. Send all
information home on postcards for the benefit of the next wave of
Earth emigrants.Current information says that everyone else in the
Galaxy is heading for a small planet in Galactic Sector JPG71248.
It is clearly the most wonderfully trendy zillion tons of hunky
rock in the known sky.

WHAT YOUR TRAVELS WILL BE LIKE

Difficult and unbelievably dangerous.
Space is notorious for having all sorts of terribly
frightening things happening in it, most of which are best dealt
with by running away very fast.
You should therefore take with you:
1) A pair of strong running shoes. The most useful type are of
outrageous design and mind-mangling colours; experience has
shown that if, while strolling through the ancient swampworld of
Slurmgurst you come unexpectedly across an appalling alien
monster with Lasero-Zap eyes, Swivel-Shear teeth, several dozen
tungsten-carbide Vast-Pain claws forged in the sun furnaces of
Zangrijad, and a terrible temper, it is in your immediate best
interests that the monster should be for a moment
a) startled, and
b) looking downwards.
2) A towel. Whilst the monster is temporarily confused by your
footwear you should wrap the towel round its head and strike
it with a blunt instrument.
3) A blunt instrument (see above).
4) A green Eezi-Mind Anti-Guilt jacket or sweat shirt, for wearing
after incidents such as the above. Guilt is known to be an
electromagnetic wave-form which is reflected and diffused by
the material from which these shirts are made. Wearing them
protects you from worrying about all sorts of things, including
your unpaid phone bill.
5) A pair of Joo Janta 200 Super Chromatic Peril-Sensitive
Sunglasses. These will help you to develop a relaxed attitude
to danger. At the first hint of trouble they turn totally
black, thus preventing you from seeing anything which might
alarm you.
6) All the lyrics to any songs you like to sing whilst traveling.
It is very easy to make enemies by continually singing a song
you don't know all the words to, particularly on long space
journeys.
7) A bottle of something. There are very few people in the Galaxy
who won't be more pleased to see you if you are carrying a
bottle of something.

MEDICAL KIT

In case of physical injury, press the button relating to A)
part affected and B) nature of the injury simultaneously

[ ] leg [ ] broken
[ ] arm [ ] bruised
[ ] head [ ] wrenched off
[ ] chest [ ] mauled by Algolian suntiger
[ ] other [ ] insulted

This page will instantly exude appropriate waves of sympathy
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LOL. Record10Carbon.

I guess we've veered somewhat off the subject of ferns.

Nice try, G-man. I know they'll triangulate me if I use the phones.

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Even with the full moon you wont see or hear the black helicopters.....

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I'll go for a helicopter ride as long as I can wear a helmet and spit tray...

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In case anyone is confused I changed my username from Bro Dull. I didn't like the former one as it had connotations that I was dull. Also in PMing with Matt (learn) here, I realized that there is no real reason to be super paranoid about anonymity etc.

I just sold your identity to a Mexican family who are going to purchase an over priced home near mine.

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I didn't realize that genetic alteration was going on in the wholesale sources for nurseries. I am totally against this too. Very passionately against it. If you are interested in doing something about this together, that will hurt these plant mills somehow, you can send me a private message.[/reply] Of course it is going on, has been since the 60's. They are also inciting us to mix our genes more liberally. You can muddy the waters of plants and humans all you want. I for one have saved some genetic material in my freezer to help re-populate once it has all gone down. If you believe your genes are pure, I suggest saving some of yours in the freezer. Use a metal container, and be sure to use rubber gloves throughout the process.

Look, you can think this shit is a joke all you want sheep. Ignore all the evidence and stick to your cities and Michelob Light. That is just what the sheep are supposed to do. You may think it is "enlightened" to live in Babalon, but you will see that it isn't a joke. Then you will come running to people like me who know how to survive. I'll be seein' ya.

You do know there's a difference between CO (carbon monoxide, the highly poisonous stuff you get a detector for) and CO2 (carbon dioxide), right?

Humans exhale carbon dioxide when we breathe. In highly concentrated amounts, it's poisonous, but I doubt your plant would be producing much more of it than you are yourself. Furthermore, once the sun sets, photosynthesis (the light-powered reaction by which plants convert CO2 to oxygen) stops and the plants start "exhaling" CO2. (Here's a reference to support my statement: http://www.epa.gov/...ons/co2_natural.html ) Do you think your houseplants are having as much of an effect as your lawn and all the other outdoor plants? What do you think happens when the sun sets on the rainforest?

Chemistry is funny because one atom can make a big difference. OH (hydroxide) is as very poisonous base (bases are the opposite of acid), but H2O is what we drink. The only difference is one oxygen atom. (And as an aside, extremely large amounts of water can kill you, too. The condition is called Water Intoxication.)

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And H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide and it fuels torpedos.

Yep, and if you dillute H2O2, it's useful as a disinfectant.

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Darned dihydrogen monoxide extremists give that coumpound such a bad rep.

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You should do some research on the flora and fauna of your next "A" race and surround yourself with native species.[/reply]
That's an interesting concept. But most native species don't do well indoors. Each race you're competing in though can have varying surrounding flora and this can contribute to varying performance in my opinion. I don't think varying fauna will have any impact though. Unless they get in the way of your bike... :-)

Quite frankly... I don't think the various pollens and toxins of the varying surrounding flora will have as much impact as one's normal training emphasis on aerobic functional threshold power... so it's probably not worth the effort to mimic this environment in training.




"My next big race is in New Hampshire. Some people heat acclimate, or do hills, I am surrounding myself with poison ivy and liberatarians. Besides poison ivy has great fall color. I do agree about the fauna. I did see a moose on a run once, but to intentionally surround oneself with moose during training would be a bad idea. "

I beleive the real term is (and cause of death would be) Hypnatremia. Stop letting facts get into the way of our fun and paranoia!

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Hey, what are the new man purses a fella has to have this season?

Shit, go figure - I spell Hyponatremia wrong and you quote me....


actually it was a clue to the code...

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Anyone else wondering how many personas Eddie here is going to create to respond to his own posts?

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This all sounds super gay to me. Just my two cents though.

What you do in your fall-out shelter is your business, what I do in mine is mine. You seem to be an expert on "super gay," so please don't describe.

DBT - I agree with most of your sentiments... but if you get acrimonious on forums... you won't be able to convince anyone of the truth. It is counter-productive in my experience.


Just my 2c


I wonder where the OP has gone? I am interested to see how he finally decides to set-up the flora in his workout space. I just realized that I hadn't mentioned palms as a suggestion. They are excellent as far as aesthetics and ease of care go... but their oxygen production per square inch of foliage is low.

I try to not be too explicit because I don't believe it in a superior way, I just believe it because it is what I believe nature wants. We are all God's children.

Another suggestion regarding your workout space is to have a Eucalyptus Lemon tree indoors. I have had one for four years now and it has made a big difference to the internal aroma and asthetic ambience. The small tree grows to about 40 feet outside (but typically about 15 feet in cooler temperatures found in most of the US. It can be grown as an indoor pet however... it just needs plenty of light and pruning. The citrus eucalyptus scent is excellent when exerting yourself as it counters the natural tendency of your nasal and sinusoidal mucosa to produce excessive mucous and inhibit respiration. The leaves, unlike most eucalypts, are sword shaped, which looks very pleasing to the eye. I wouldn't have it placed too close to the Tuberous Sword fern however (if you go for that fern choice) as the leaf patterns are similar.

Be careful when you massage a Eucalypt though. The one I have is prone to the leaves falling off and this is quite upsetting when the purpose of the massage is to benefit/soothe the plant. If you get this tree, or any Eucalypt for that matter, and you are performing regular massages on all your plants, stick to the trunk, branches and capillary limbs.

I believe in God. But I also believe that people are born that way. I feel very upset at times at the non-acceptance of people with different wants and needs with regard love. If God intended that a man loving another man was a sin... then why would a man be getting these feelings when he is twelve years old, before is old old enough to know any better, when his father is so vocally against it, and it causes them so much torment and crying when alone? I read about a man's situation once in the newspaper and this is where I am getting this example from.

Anyway.. that's a hot topic and off-thread so it is best not discussed... even though an anonymous forum would be the ideal place to discuss these things I imagine, if one was unable to discuss it openly.

While we are on the subject of Katrina a bit... there's a couple of things I want to say. One is that the media made such a sensation about New Orleans and the race thing... that most of America probably feels like this is where all the destruction and devastation happened. Unfortunately there is a whole swathe of communities in Mississippi and Alabama that were laid to waste. Flattened. Destroyed. Peoples communities and lives... disappeared. But no reporter could be bothered going there cause the story was in New Orleans. Some of these communities were still flattened wastelands a year later. Nobody seemed to care much.

Another point to support that the government had something to do with engineering this crisis: The guy in the White House that FEMA reported to after Katrina was Andy Card. In 1992, when Hurricane Andrew devastated Florida and FEMA was incompetent, guess who George H. W. Bush had in charge of the FEMA clean up. Andy Card.

I think it is possible, given what people are saying here, that Hurricane Andrew may have been created by this weather making device (which George H. W. Bush would have known about with his connections to the Pentagon and the CIA). The timing of the hurricane was August 1992... the election was in November, 1992. There has only been a couple of category 5 hurricanes to EVER hit the US. And it hit in Florida in a pivotal electoral swing State three months before an important election. The motive would have been to cause fear and devastation... and for the Government to ride in like the cavalry and be the protector. The irony is that in both cases, the whole thing back-fired for the GOP/White House and Andy Card was in charge of both. No wonder he left. He was probably asked to go.

Just my 2c... back to plants I suppose.

Jimmy,

Can't make it tonight. Steph wants these RFK reports by the 15th and I am allready a day behind. Can you talk to your buddy in Deluth and aks him if he can get his people to submit the TTPs on time. This stuff is killing me. I can't get it done on time we they are later and am taking heat.

did you see Sandi today. wow. Is she coming tonight? I can't believe she is doing Stew. I thought he was gay.

JV

Screw that- you're too close to that government fungus. Tell those folks to buy my place in DeKalb.

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Cliff... Lavender Room. Lavender Room... Cliff.

Have fun!

What the heck is this?????

I think the IT guys are screwin with you email again. I am getting some weird reponses bounce back

Hey honey. I am going to be late tonight. I've gotta finish those reports. Kiss the kids for me.

Do you need me to stop by the store on the way home?

Hey gorgeous. I'm leavin now. Can you be ready for me?

xo

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This is about the strangest thread I have ever fucking seen. The dude just wants a fern for his workout space. We can ruin anything.

Bernie

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Um Jeff... I think your computer is playing up.

Damn. Thanks.

I think the guys at work are screwing wit me again. I work at a pretty tech savvy place.

I agree... I think someone is stuffing around here. I would much rather talk about plants and exercise environments as well. It seems that the thread was invaded last night by someone(s) trying to hijack it. Though I apologize to the original poster about the stuff on FEMA which was a bit off topic.

Change your password... it seems that somehow they have got into your account perhaps.

Trust me. My co-workers could get any password.

nsa.gov huh? I freaking knew it! So, what is "fern" really mean there jeff? I can't believe I thought you were cool. You know who Mr. Wabbash is right? Yea, well he is a close friend of mine, so you make sure you are real careful with anything you think you learn about me here. I just want some advice about a problem I am having with chafing on my runs. That is it.

Hey Cliff, if you are in on this too, and your posts sound coded to me considering JV's employeer. You better know too that if you fuck around with bee hives, you will get stung sooner or later.

What does? Why do you say that? I am not gay. I'm married.

Trust me. My co-workers could get any password.[/reply] You mean like in the movies when they guess it every time on about the third try.... :-)

That is precisely what they want you to think. This isn't about ferns at all.

I also can't tell whether you are for or against Barry Obama or not, but let me tell you that he is the next step in world government. Of course McSame was Manchurianed too in Hanoi, so when the shit goes down, you'd better be ready.

I am confused. Is it the fern or the ficus that produces torpedo fuel?

Come on DBT. Please don't assume stuff about me like that and use expletives. I think someone is probably playing around here. If Jeff was at the NSA... his co-workers wouldn't reveal that in an email address... would they?

Unless they wanted to get him sacked. You got any enemies at work Jeff????

"I do not work for the NSA (or any other named division of an intelligence agency). I work for a small re-insurance underwriting firm in (your city)."

And H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide and it fuels torpedos.[/reply] I am confused. Is it the fern or the ficus that produces torpedo fuel?[/reply] Hydrogen peroxide is not produced by plants I think, but I believe it can also be used to bleach your hair blonde. It was also used by people in the old days to discover thieves because it was invisible on any object... but stained the first two layers of your skin purple-brown when you touched it... and it was impossible to wash off.

IF I have you wrong, I am sorry. IF JV is playing with the nsa thing, I am sorry. That being said, I take this very seriously.

I definately will not be posting any pictures of my cycling generator though.

Yea, because there are soooo many insurance agencies with .gov web addresses.

I like the new Hermes male handbags. There is generally a much wider selection now than even five years ago. Cool.

Oh...so it's Cliff now is it? I knew it...I go out of town and you're right back at it. I told you I'd find out if you were keeping up this bullshit behind my back.

Look, if you guys are screwing with me because of what I believe, then it isn't funny. If some friends of mine find out I am posting here, and that I might have given away any information, I will have a very hard time at the meetings. We do not find any of this funny in the slightest. I am deadly serious about what I believe, and I thought maybe it wouldn't be an issue here, but I guess I don't know what to think now.

No. Its not what you think. I don't even know Cliff. Lets not do this in public. I will call you.

And Cliff, if this is some sick homo thing where you are sitting back getting your jollies or something, then you are messing with the wrong guy. My digestive system flows one way, and my anus is exit only.

Sounds coded to me too, Cliff...you must really think I'm stupid. Beehives is about right...who's the queen bee this time? Jeff Vader? Yeah, right. Is that why you're bringing HERMES handbags back from China...you JERK!!!!

Why aren't you answering your cell phone, Cliff?

I am in the car on my way to deliver the report. I must not be in range of any cell towers. I will call you when I get there.

Look, I don't even WANT to know what YOUR damage is!!! Okay...and if this IS who I think it is...you can go to hell, Becca...And if you're not...sounds like you're doing the same f'ing thing anyway...LOSER!!!!!

I've been here like three days. This is nothing like GardenWeb. I don't know anyone here and I can assure you that B is not on this forum. And I'm not even sure I'll have much reason to be here much once the thread starter gets his room set up.

PS How did you find me????? Just curious.

Hey Steve,

Can you pick me up at Amber's house. I think my wife knows I am not working. Amber's pissed that I didn't tell her and won't give me a ride. I can't catch a cab from way out here.

Thanks. I owe you.

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You work with Crystall Ball???? Say what!???

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Let's just say a mutual friend let me know....you think I trust you? Oh, I'm sure the two of you are getting a room set up...I can't think of anyone else you'd be massaging your plants with...always the f'ing plants...you love those f'ing things more than me.

You ever hear of RoundUp, Cliff??? Think about that!! Don't think I won't do it. I still have a key...

Hah. Small world. Crystal is the wife.

Oh I almost forgot: The battaeu buss is small for us3673gq6

Do you know Eddie in Deluth?

What's the point of doing this in public. You really haven't got the whole picture. Just calm down. Remember Puerto Vallarta and how that panned out.

OMFG... :-)))))) Yeah I was about two cubicles away from him for like three years. How did you know I might know him? We worked on D-7874E together.


BTW - Crystal is not my wife. Is that what she told you?

Really??? I wouldn't have to do it in public if you'd answer your DAMN CELL PHONE!!!! And now I'm not so sure about Puerto Vallarta anymore either. Liar. And now people are talking about if you're homo...you'll cheat on me with anyone, won't you? It's because you think I'm fat, isn't it? Isn't it???

I want my stuff back...

Oh, I see, keep covering up for your friend, Cliff...like anyone on this f'ing place gives a sh!t.

Screw all of you...that office is nothing but a Peyton Place anyway...

Enjoy your f'ing ferns...I expect to get all my stuff back when I get home. Including the ABBA CD's...

Damn. You always got your TTPs in on time. I relly liked how you sorted them by region and footnoted the AWCX-CAP progress. I like your work.

You are not fat. You know that.

What stuff?

This is just really pathetic. This is an example of what I was talking about. Flying off the handle... risking everything we have... just based on your own insecurities. And you know how much I hate you calling me that. But I think now you are just trying to hurt me here. You have no idea. And can't a man turn his cell phone off? You know they are restricted here in building C4. You can leave a message at home if it's an emergency you know. All I can say is stop for a second... rewind the tape back to Sunday night... and press the pause button. We'll talk.

You can have all of the Abba stuff. I've burned it down to my hardrive anyway.

Tell Eddie that Deano (he'll know who I'm talkin about) got in a fight with his boss about Cusack getting the promo on D-7874E and they 780'd him. He might not know cause "Voldemort" is trying to keep it as quiet as possible.

Hey. Is Cliff the guy from Mumbai? Oh, this is really something. And you accuse me of two timing.

WTF - you and Crystal? Jeff - quit pullin' my chain. That joke aint funny.

Hey. No problem. We all know what working for the reinsurance company is like. Sometimes Chrystal forgets when she starts talking to her sister.

Thanks for the tip on the odd numbered plants. I inventoried all off my rooms and realized that I had five rooms with odd numbers of plants and five rooms with even numbers. So, I took one plant from each of the odd numbered rooms and put them into each of the even numbered rooms. Now, every room is odd numbered and things look much better. Way cool.

Hey Cliff... and Crystal Ball... - your writing styles are very similar...

Man. You hit a nerve with the Cusack story. I still think he is way too high profile to work in reinsurance. I know that he is a savant. But he is just too well known for the job.

Now you'll have an even number of plants in the rooms that you took the plants from. You'll need to move one more plant from those rooms to the other ones so that they will still have odd numbers.

And can you PM me Deano's new email. He's changed belt and he's not coming up on the org contact list.

Tell me about it. Big Ego. Combined with well honed brown-nosing skills. Kiss-up kick-down a$$hole. Everyone knows that his public role in D-7874E compromised the whole company as well as his future here. Voldemort sees himself in Cusack I think. Only way that anyone here makes any sense out of it.

Oh. i see. I got the plant movement reversed. I am going to undo what i did and then move one plant from each of the even rooms into each of the odd rooms. Thanks.

jdean@air-america.nz

Only way Lance can see himself in JC is if he wears a bra on his head like that 80s movie.

No Jeff. You had it almost right the first time. You just needed to move two plants from each of the odd numbered rooms to the even numbered rooms. But put the two plants as you move them into two separate even-numbered rooms (if you put them both in the same even-numbered room... then they will remain even-numbered)

ROTFLMAO.... :-)

so, ummm... how do you two feel about powercranks?

Turned off by the PED reference.

I have very strong feelings about power cranks. First, I've seen some studies that say they ultimately slow you down if you use them. Second, I think they could only be sold to triathletes because you guys are always looking for a gear advantage. I don't know a single bike racer that uses them (although I have heard of rumors of a guy using them in the local training crit). The bottom line is that there are no magic bullets. Train hard, ride lots. You get faster. Stare at your zipps all day without riding, and you won't get faster. Ride hard man and be free.

Hey Cliff. Do you remember these kids from EC39785A? They've really grown up fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHxd1cAgyOg

Jeff... did you see my post about the Lemon Eucalyptus? I think it's a must for your workout space. I described it a couple of pages back before you came online.

This is sort of like when a former poster used to argue with himself - as two screen names.


Shit, I need to go to the other computer to respond...

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How the heck did you stumble on them? I'm looking at it again and I'm not as sure as you about the ID match. Unless you got it out of the file.

I appreciate the suggestion but will have to pass. I don't like cough drops.

Yeah its confirmed. They guys from the umbrella division sent it over. They thought I'd get a kick out of it.

Go back and find the post.

I always massage the whole plant. Is that wrong?

There isn't any book on this that I'm aware of. I have just found that Lemon Eucalypt leaves can fall off if you aren't careful. So I only massage the leaves if I have the time and patience to be delicate.

Nice to know that you have already started massaging. You probably won't see any effects until a few more days. No more than once a day though... Having said that, I haven't tried it more often myself from memory.

I didn't remember how to spell it, so I cited Wikipedia's article (which doesn't contain the medical term, either).

Sorry for interfering with your paranoia. ;-)

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So are you guys serious or just really need attention??

Yes.

100%

I'm with Death by Tray... but not Vader on this point. I was hoping I could help with the ferns issue but there seems to be a lot of thread hijackers.


Jeff - please keep us informed of your plant choices and layout plans. You never mentioned how much natural light the room has either... that could be critical to selection.

Just be aware that ferns are bisexual. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

"Each spore germinates and grows into a heart-shaped gametohyte (prothallus) which is smaller than your little finger nail. This haploid gametophyte bears male and female sex organs (antheridia and archegonia). With respect to populations of gametophytes, ferns are typically monoecious with both male and female sex organs on the same gametophytes. Unlike the unisexual gametophytes of a moss, a fern gametophyte is bisexual. Like mosses, ferns have a primitive method of fertilization that involves a multiciliate sperm that swims through water to reach the egg. The gametophytes and sporophytes of ferns are photosynthetic and autotrophic."

Finally, watch out for falling spores - there are millions of them. ;-)

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Thanks jHo

I like ferns even more as a recommendation.

I am thinking about a career change to mixed martial arts. Do they have professional masters categories?

I read the OP, then the first comment and almost spit into my computer... usually "htfu" is overused and annoying.. but that execution was great. GJ.

Thanks. That's cool. By the way, what does "htuf" mean.

No idea what "htuf" means bud.

is that a new form of meth?

Hide Thyself Under a Fern

Jeff... What's happening with your workout space?

I think you need to be properly qualified to enter. Don't go to these suburban karate shops IMHO. Get a proper Bachelor of Arts degree majoring in Martial Arts.

The linoleum is being laid today and tomorrow. Then I am going to concentrate on the wallcovering. So, the fauna is at least two weeks away.

The qualifications are there. I spent many years studying greco-roman under Hayden and Gary Evans in Kingston, Pa. I just want to fight people my own age. So, I am reluctant to do it unless there is a masters professional category.

the fauna is at least two weeks away.

Your putting a zoo in your workout space? Won't that, ummm, smell a little funky? If I were you, I'd put a nice fern in there.

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I've thought about it.

It would be OK if you kept some midgets. I hear they housebreak well.

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Midget Ferns?... LOL... I think you mean "Dwarf Ferns".

Hey Jason. Just noticed your signature line. You used to collect butterflies too? Small world.

I once collected beetles. It was a good hobby to have for a single person... but I probably wouldn't recommend it if you have a partner.

You mean the insect and not the band?

I hear Japanese beetles really screw things up for the rest.

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It's like being bipolar in opinion is a requirement around here. -TripleThreat

Yeah. There really are some beautiful beetles in this world. Actually many beautiful insects for that matter.

I meant the insects... but I collected music by the Beatles as well... because of the similarity in name. I even titled my favorite entomology/coleoptera display box "Beetlemania". LOL. I set it up with four large beetles at the top mimicking the Beatles on stage (four different sub-species of Rhinoceros beetle) and all the smaller beetles beneath were the concert audience. Most people didn't get it until I told them.

Did you know that beetles make up 40% of all insects?

Japanese beetles are a big problem to agriculture in eastern US. In Japan, their natural predator is the Winsome Fly... but in the US... they don't have any predators that can prey on the beetle enough to quell their explosive breeding rate.

I thought it was more like 38.7%.