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NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon
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Hey guys,
I am browsing the forum on a daily basis in order to find the latest news on upcoming bikes and it takes me a while until I read through all those posts. So, in order to make our life easier I thought it might help to have all Tri-Bike 2019 news in one post.

What we know so far:

Pinarello Bolide Tri

Cameron Wurf was already riding it at Challenge Almere in the Netherlands and Pinarello just posted a picture on IG about the new Tri bike. It will have disc brakes and a storage as well as hydration compartment.


FELT IA

Felt will definitely update the IA range with disc brakes while rumor has it that there will be a complete design update maybe in 2020. Mirinda Carfrae will show her Kona Felt IA with disc brakes within the next days and we can already find some images for this online:


Cervelo P5

While the new colour scheme for the P5X is already in the shops we still have to wait for the launch of the new P5 which will be released in or around Kona. It will feature disc brakes, a double diamond frame as well as a new monostem cockpit similar to the TriRig one.
The new P5 as well as the S5 with disc brakes were presented in Germany during the Derby Cycling Show. But the bikes were hidden in a room were only retailers would have access and for sure there were no pictures allowed.
If you have further pictures or information please let us know since this is one of the most anticipated bikes for 2019. Those athletes who were lucky enough to get a sponsorship by Cervelo can decide in Kona weather they are going to ride the P5X or the new P5 disc as far as we heard.


S-Works Shiv

Just like every year we are waiting for an update on the shiv. While there have been several comments on the new dealer catalogue which seems to offer a new Shiv with disc brakes (unfortunately without pictures) it is still questionable if the new Shiv will be released in the near future.

Canyon

Canyon didn´t give any information about an updated version of the Speedmax CF SLX but at least there will be an aero update for Patrick Lange which will be released on the 4th of October. There is almost no information about what it is but it was designed together with Swiss Side and also we don´t know if it will be available for mortals.

Scott

The most quiet brand is probably Scott. So far there hasn´t been any information or announcements about a new Scott Plasma and most likely we´ll have to wait for another year or two. Please let us know if you´ve heard anything from here.


Since many people are currently thinking about a new tri bike as most of the current models (except BMC, P5X) are out there for quite some years I hope it helps if we gather some information here. We all now that the bike from 2005 are still fast and that the main factor of the bike is the rider but still it´ll help to know when new bikes and industry trend are coming up
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Oh lordy, that Pinarello silhouette looks sharp. Any chance the frame will be sub $8k unlike the $12k+ TT Bolide? :/
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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The Pinarello does look sharp but I’m not going to hold out any hope on pricing.

My LBS has told me a new Shiv will debut at Kona and that it will debut as a fully loaded “S-Works” model while they work through their existing frames. The only details given were “disc brake, Di2, power meter, and SWAT Storage.”
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
The only details given were “disc brake, Di2, power meter, and SWAT Storage.”

That describes it extremely accurately, actually.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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BigBoyND wrote:
Oh lordy, that Pinarello silhouette looks sharp. Any chance the frame will be sub $8k unlike the $12k+ TT Bolide? :/

very, very, very unlikely.

Also, where are these spy shots of Rinny and her disc'd up IA you speak of?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
The Pinarello does look sharp but I’m not going to hold out any hope on pricing.

My LBS has told me a new Shiv will debut at Kona and that it will debut as a fully loaded “S-Works” model while they work through their existing frames. The only details given were “disc brake, Di2, power meter, and SWAT Storage.”

What is SWAT storage?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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It’s a term Specialized has used in the past for frame integrated storage... mostly on mountain bikes.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I was just looking at Specialized's canadian site (not for a triathlon bike, but I did click that section) and there is no Shiv on their website. So something is up.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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yes, something is up. i think specialized put a lot of thought into this one.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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There will also be a new Giant Trinity Advanced Pro 0, the top of the line model. The 2019 1 and 2 have been released, but no 0 to be found anywhere. I imagine it will be only disc brakes though, so nothing too exciting.

It would be difficult to improve on an already top bike, just like the Scott and Canyon, which offer the complete package.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
The Pinarello does look sharp but I’m not going to hold out any hope on pricing.

My LBS has told me a new Shiv will debut at Kona and that it will debut as a fully loaded “S-Works” model while they work through their existing frames. The only details given were “disc brake, Di2, power meter, and SWAT Storage.”

As far as i know the original Felt IA also had an integrated drinking system but it seems that it was removed due to a patent owned by Specialized.
But my mechanic told me that the new IA will have that integrated system as well. So maybe the patent on that expired.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah Specialized stopped that real quick. Also, patents are for 20 years so I'm not sure how Felt got around it if they add it to the new IAs.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I heard from a major specialized dealer there is no new shiv for 2019. They have already set their orders for 2019. Maybe something at Kona but not for 2019 order which would be strange.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Staer] [ In reply to ]
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Staer wrote:
There will also be a new Giant Trinity Advanced Pro 0, the top of the line model. The 2019 1 and 2 have been released, but no 0 to be found anywhere. I imagine it will be only disc brakes though, so nothing too exciting.

It would be difficult to improve on an already top bike, just like the Scott and Canyon, which offer the complete package.

I think it is right, bikes like the Scott, Canyon or others are already top bikes. Within the recent years there hasn´t been any very large improvement on the aerodynamics at all. But still I would think that the brands want to catch up with the latest trends. Even if it doesn´t create new break throughs in the matter of aerodynamics but updating only the colour scheme every year does not do the job.
I really like the Plasma but when I am willing to spent 10k I want to make sure, that it is the most updated bike and that there won´t be any complete new model from Scott right after I bought the old one.
As soon as for example Scott comes up with disc brakes, a better hydration system and some storage space for training rides on their plasma I would directly start shipping my money to Switzerland :)
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [bamatriguy] [ In reply to ]
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This year is special,
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:

Yeah Specialized stopped that real quick. Also, patents are for 20 years so I'm not sure how Felt got around it if they add it to the new IAs.

for 20years? wow.
Maybe Specialized used it for as long as it gave them a unique selling point. But since other bike maunfacturers found other ways maybe they partly sold their patent as it wasn´t valuable anymore.
I am just guessing here but the last show of "The Tim and Rinny Show" showed the all new Felt IA with disc brakes and with this interesting detail:


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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Carfrae having hydration doesn't mean anything as it's not being sold to the public.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
BryanD wrote:

Yeah Specialized stopped that real quick. Also, patents are for 20 years so I'm not sure how Felt got around it if they add it to the new IAs.


for 20years? wow.
Maybe Specialized used it for as long as it gave them a unique selling point. But since other bike maunfacturers found other ways maybe they partly sold their patent as it wasn´t valuable anymore.
I am just guessing here but the last show of "The Tim and Rinny Show" showed the all new Felt IA with disc brakes and with this interesting detail:

That's actually Rinny's old bike. If you look - there's no disc brakes on it. The spy pic was from Michelle Vesterby's insta feed a while back - and it will probably be the other bike but the bike she used in Augusta is her old IA.

The new bike looks pretty sweet too tho.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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That photo was when the IA first came out and had a straw. No one is claiming it's the new IA.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
That photo was when the IA first came out and had a straw. No one is claiming it's the new IA.

Pretty easy to put the specialized bladder into the Felt yourself. There was someone selling an aftermarket top tube cover with the straw hole etc. But you could even use the original calpac (which I have) and cut the bottom out, then re-close the bottom deeper with some gorilla tape, sit bladder in there...
I currently use my calpac to hold a spare tube......next to useless...
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I am just guessing here but the last show of "The Tim and Rinny Show" showed the all new Felt IA with disc brakes and with this interesting detail:

I read this quote as implying the the last show showed the new bike with the hydration detail, therefore my post...I could have misinterpreted but someone implied it was as I read it. Sorry about that!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
BryanD wrote:

Yeah Specialized stopped that real quick. Also, patents are for 20 years so I'm not sure how Felt got around it if they add it to the new IAs.

for 20years? wow.
Maybe Specialized used it for as long as it gave them a unique selling point. But since other bike maunfacturers found other ways maybe they partly sold their patent as it wasn´t valuable anymore.
I am just guessing here but the last show of "The Tim and Rinny Show" showed the all new Felt IA with disc brakes and with this interesting detail:

That’s a custom mod Rinny has been running for a few years now.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
I am just guessing here but the last show of "The Tim and Rinny Show" showed the all new Felt IA with disc brakes and with this interesting detail:

I read this quote as implying the the last show showed the new bike with the hydration detail, therefore my post...I could have misinterpreted but someone implied it was as I read it. Sorry about that!

All good.
But she actually has two bikes with the same colour scheme but one is with disc brakes and one without. But the hydration system looks new to me on both bikes.
The previous show showed the bike a bit better:



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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Great catch!

ETA - it makes sense if she is using it on the old one she would modify it for the new one too. Same frame set up...

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I promise you she’s been running that hydration system for a while.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I believe that the Specialized patent is only in the US, but that's all they had to do to make somebody else producing one very cost prohibitive.

If I had a Felt, I would definitely "enable" the downtube hydration option. I'm surprised hardly anybody does.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
The Pinarello does look sharp but I’m not going to hold out any hope on pricing.

My LBS has told me a new Shiv will debut at Kona and that it will debut as a fully loaded “S-Works” model while they work through their existing frames. The only details given were “disc brake, Di2, power meter, and SWAT Storage.”

I heard the same.. local shop already ordered one up and you could walk in and order one if you wanted (with no details except color options and price.) There is an Expert version as well (but even the Expert is wickedly expensive.) So just a few more days and we should know more when the full launch happens.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [aerobean] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting. Did it still have the big downtube and straw?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Everything looked exactly the same, except the speed box. I didn't take the time to fully analyze as him and his training partner sped by me pretty quickly. The only thing that stuck out was the speed box and it might have integrated safety lights in the speedbox if my memory serves me correctly.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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New Shiv WILL be announced at Kona....

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [bamatriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe it won’t be ready til after the first pre season orders. Ben Hoffman IS riding it currently in Tucson.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [bamatriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I have one on order :)

There was a recent podcast (Mile High Endurance) where he mentions seeing the bike and commenting on the fact that Tim Don will be on it in Kona.

I also have seen the 2019 dealer catalogue that has all the details but no photos.
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Cervelos website refers to “rim brake P3s” when describing the models. Obviously a disc version coming....
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Anyone heard about Trek updating the speed concept soon? The website only shows one ultegra model for 2019, curious if they have a disc model in the pipeline.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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sorelegs wrote:
I have one on order :)

There was a recent podcast (Mile High Endurance) where he mentions seeing the bike and commenting on the fact that Tim Don will be on it in Kona.

I also have seen the 2019 dealer catalogue that has all the details but no photos.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [gregtay] [ In reply to ]
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I ordered the S-Works in the satin carbon/gloss holographic foil.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Talbot has a gallery of Daniela with a beautiful new custom painted Felt IA - I know we've seen the bike but giving Talbot some love!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [aerobean] [ In reply to ]
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aerobean wrote:
I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept


Well you didn't see the real thing If "pretty standard" is the descriptor
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept


Well you didn't see the real thing If "pretty standard" is the descriptor

How are there not spy shots at this point? Obviously it's out there!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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I guess I should have paid more attention

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept


Well you didn't see the real thing If "pretty standard" is the descriptor


I hope not because everything else in this thread puts me to sleep.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept


Well you didn't see the real thing If "pretty standard" is the descriptor

I may have seen the real one... and it was ugly.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Yes there is a new Shiv, see it at Kona today with Sarah True on board
Very strange Bike !

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Bladders.

The most important thing to my point of view is the drinking system.

How to clean the bladders. Can you take them out, can you put them in the dishwasher. Are there throw away bladders which you just use one time?and such kind of questions.
I personally do not even use a bottle twice without cleaning even if I had plain water in it.

If there are no answers to these questions, can you purchase a frame/bike without drinking system and what are the possibilities to mount bottle holders.

Comfort
Also important. My present P5 is e.g. A LOT more comfortable than my old speedmax (the white model of 7 years ago).

Aerodynamics is probably irrelevant for the choice because there will be no substantive differences. Groupsets: you will probably be able to have any. And also the brake question is not so inportant, it will be disk.
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Re: 2019 P3 [Ftfrst] [ In reply to ]
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Ftfrst wrote:
Anyone heard about Trek updating the speed concept soon? The website only shows one ultegra model for 2019, curious if they have a disc model in the pipeline.

Well, there's the base-level Ultegra which is quite a best-seller around where I live (I'd guess nearly half the new bikes around are SCs, local fitter says a majority of his tri clients are SC) but there's Project One if you want to customise. Apparently nothing in the pipeline, no design yet fast enough to justify an update. They tried to work IsoSpeed into it but the forward weighting of the saddle in a tri position made it less relevant.

Too bad, I imagine a hydration system integrated into the current stem/bar would be quite popular.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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If you take a look at Ryf's bike, it appear that in addition to disc brakes the IAX has gained tilt adjustment on the base bar.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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And it's all been taken down
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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If the bike is out in the open it should be fair game.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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Considering there are no photos of it up anywhere else, i doubt it was supposed to be out in the open like that.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Who needs a new bike when you got Aaron bottles
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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And everyone’s comments, posts, and the pictures about the bike have been removed.....

If you don’t want people to see the bike, don’t ride it in public. It was only a matter of time.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Understood but I doubt they expect their athletes to not be riding it in preparations for the the big race.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Don’t agree with comments being taken down when it was already exposed. We can’t un-see what we have already seen. Should be open for discussions
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
And it's all been taken down


I could be wrong but it appears a number of my posts were removed as well even though I didn’t have any photos embedded or linked. Just a text description of the bike.

Bummer.

To rehash what I said previously:
-central stack adjustment similar to P5X
-down tube SWAT storage and Di2 junction. Di2 junction similar to what is on the Madone and since mimicked by several bikes
-rear hydration which mounts with two pieces: a bracket that secured to seat tube bosses and a “draft box” that interfaces via a channel on that bracket and then secured with a bolt near the top. Drink tube routes down the seat tube, over the bottom bracket, and then up the down tube with the drink tube emerging through a hole just forward of the bento box bosses.
-there will also be a Specialized bento offered that will purposely design for this area (we didn’t see it on True’s bike)

I think that covers everything I was previously told and said here on the this thread.

*channels Obi Wan Kenobi*
Strike me down, Specialized, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

edit: I forgot to mention the folding base bar. I think this has been mentioned previously. I really wish more companies would "reverse" the base bar like 3T did with their Revo :(
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
And everyone’s comments, posts, and the pictures about the bike have been removed.....

If you don’t want people to see the bike, don’t ride it in public. It was only a matter of time.

I can sort of understand demanding ST take down photos but comments? They’re already selling the bike through their dealers with a description (which I previously posted). How do you justify taking that down?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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All that makes sense. The resistance of the tube won't be important due to the hydration bladder being mostly higher than the delivery point up front.

What doesn't make sense to me is the super tall, non Aero section where the base bar meets the H section of fork. It appears that each size will need a different fork, and that the interface between the fork and base bar would cause a fair bit of drag.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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Cleaning that straw is going to be very difficult

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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chicanery wrote:
All that makes sense. The resistance of the tube won't be important due to the hydration bladder being mostly higher than the delivery point up front.

What doesn't make sense to me is the super tall, non Aero section where the base bar meets the H section of fork. It appears that each size will need a different fork, and that the interface between the fork and base bar would cause a fair bit of drag.

This 100%. That section was oddly shaped so maybe they tried to induce turbulence to change the way air flows over your thighs (risky). If not that section will be a huge aero drag and more than offset any gains from the fork / head tube.

Frame size specific forks was a mistake from a production cost standpoint. The nature of the fork will also limit the steering.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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And everyone’s comments, posts, and the pictures about the bike have been removed... If you don’t want people to see the bike, don’t ride it in public. It was only a matter of time.

for those who're affected by my removal of certain posts. here's how this works, for better or worse:

1. there were posts that referred to images, linked to images, of a bike to be released soon, that were not supposed to have been made public, where the manufacturer had no reason to believe they might be made public. this happens from time to time.

2. if and when i remove a post, i have the capacity to remove the fruit of that post, that is, if i cut off a branch of a tree all the limbs and twigs of that branch get cut off as well, even if those twigs are innocent. this is often what i do in order to make sure that the offending post isn't still live in the quotes to it that exist in otherwise innocent follow-up posts.

3. if a manufacturer's bike ends up in public, that is, in a race, or on a public road, because its pro athlete is riding it, fair game! for this reason i *think* tho am not sure that i left up pics of an athlete riding just such a bike on this thread.

4. to those whose innocent posts were caught up, i regret that this happened. it's just a moderation consequence. i don't mind if you repost.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Camelback back a tube cleaning kit that would make it "reasonable" to keep it clean. You would probably have to use the cleaner from each end and run a lot of water through it pretty frequently, and also store the bike upside down with the ends of the tubes unobstructed to get it to dry. I own a small brewery, so dealing with stuff like this is very common in my life. It would be much worse inside the tube.

That said, I suspect they have made it so that running a new tube is not that difficult.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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It's possible that the additional height adjustment is handled by gluing different carbon tubes together at various junction points, and won't require additional molds, but rather a single mold for the largest size that gets chopped down. That has been done before and seems to work OK.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks dan I appreciate it. Sorry guys just trying not to burn bridges. If I burn bridges like this than that means no more videos. If you wanna see the new “s-works (no name yet)” bike. Do what I did. Buy a one way ticket to Hawaii! :) or wait until it’s released. Hehe

Thanks for understanding. On a side note I recorded it and saw it. And have some freaking epic videos to be released when the “un named” bike is. đźť

Watch this space.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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personally, i LOVE the features of this bike, from what i've seen (that i shouldn't have seen). and that's all i'm going to say about it! (maybe if specialized is animated about what appears on slowtwitch they'll speak to its publisher about the new bike it intends - apparently - to launch)!

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Pros have been riding it out in the open for MONTHS....
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Sbernardi] [ In reply to ]
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And yet no pictures were taken then, kinda proving my point. Big difference between riding a bike outside and a scheduled photoshoot.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
stevej wrote:
And everyone’s comments, posts, and the pictures about the bike have been removed... If you don’t want people to see the bike, don’t ride it in public. It was only a matter of time.


for those who're affected by my removal of certain posts. here's how this works, for better or worse:

1. there were posts that referred to images, linked to images, of a bike to be released soon, that were not supposed to have been made public, where the manufacturer had no reason to believe they might be made public. this happens from time to time.

2. if and when i remove a post, i have the capacity to remove the fruit of that post, that is, if i cut off a branch of a tree all the limbs and twigs of that branch get cut off as well, even if those twigs are innocent. this is often what i do in order to make sure that the offending post isn't still live in the quotes to it that exist in otherwise innocent follow-up posts.

3. if a manufacturer's bike ends up in public, that is, in a race, or on a public road, because its pro athlete is riding it, fair game! for this reason i *think* tho am not sure that i left up pics of an athlete riding just such a bike on this thread.

4. to those whose innocent posts were caught up, i regret that this happened. it's just a moderation consequence. i don't mind if you repost.

Hi Dan-
After all, it is your forum and you can do as you please. Only thing I would ask in the future is that you email the "offedener(s)" or anyone in the "tree" of removals, maybe just letting us know we violated some unwritten rule? That may be a bit too much work and a bigger pain, so understand that. Maybe easier just to post in thread(s) when you remove something, why it was removed? I don't think that is too much to ask?

I was the one that posted the pictures, after following the "tip" that another poster gave. I was messaged a few hours later by someone outside of ST asking to remove said photos, I had no issues doing that as they were not my photos. Went to take them down and they were already removed.........

The funny thing about all of this, same thing has happened with every bike brand on their release in recent years. Same thing when Specialized launched their bike in Kona years ago, pics were posted on here of Crowie riding it on the Queen-K. So it is just a matter of time before "spy shots" get posted here, and if I was a betting man, that will be before the official launch. I doubt they will be as high quality as the ones we have seen were. Although TriRig does get out on the course the week before the race and usually gets great "spy" shots.

The only thing I see wrong with what happened today was I did not own the photos. The bike was on public roads (to the best of my knowledge) and has been spotted elsewhere, and photos will surface again. Why have the photos/video posted of Rinny's bike in the Youtube video remained, because Felt didn't complain about it?

So if we want to say its wrong, lets say it was wrong because the photos were not posted with permission of the owner. However the owner does have a statement saying their photos can be shared with credits on social media...................So I guess if those photos were still publicly available (which they are not), I would not have been doing anything wrong posting them on social media?

As for the bike and what I have seen:
Meh, not really impressed at first glance. Interested to see more specifics of it. Some interesting features it appears and obviously they have spent a ton of time building this bike, so does appear some of the "best" features from other recent releases are included as well, and some very interesting decisions have been made in terms of hydration placement..........

-Brad Williams
Website | Twitter: @BW_Tri |Instagram: @BW_Tri | Strava | Co-Founder & Coach at: KIS Coaching
Partnered with: Zoot Sports | Precision Fuel &Hydration | ISM
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [@BW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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I figure that rear mounted hydration somewhere between 22-30oz in capacity, so about the same as 1-2 bottle behind the saddle but lower on the frame. Personally I would have figured out a way to mount the hydration on the lower triangle. Weight there seems best for handling. Regardless I’d view that system as “race day only” as cleaning will definitely be a pain.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Cleaning that straw is going to be very difficult

I was thinking that as well. Just seems like it could be a bit of a PITA

Matt
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [@BW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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@BW_Tri wrote:
After all, it is your forum and you can do as you please. Only thing I would ask in the future is that you email the "offedener(s)" or anyone in the "tree" of removals, maybe just letting us know we violated some unwritten rule? That may be a bit too much work and a bigger pain, so understand that. Maybe easier just to post in thread(s) when you remove something, why it was removed? I don't think that is too much to ask?

it's not too much to ask. but it may be too much to grant. i dealt with other moderating issues this morning that involved me sending a number of private emails. i only have so much time.

in this case, it wasn't anything you or anyone did - i appreciate your posts, and you did nothing that violated forum policy. there was just a confluence of 3 issues at roughly the same time: another moderating issue; the time-of-essence of this thread; and i'm making applesauce right now!

as i noted in my explanatory post, nobody did anything wrong; and i'm all for spy photos getting posted here. if you see sarah true or rinnie or anyone else riding around on their mystery bikes, fair game! please post here!

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [@BW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Hey brad,

Thanks for your response I understand what you mean in regards to the thread. I just wanted to be clear so people would understand my point of you. The photos leaked from my website. Yes I said all photos fair use with accreditation. But I did not have that gallery under there. Which was my fault.

Also specialized did not ask slow twitch to take down the photo. I am the one who emailed Dan personally. Specialized is a big client of mine and help me support my dream which helps deliver content to you guys.

With that being said I asked dan to take down in post just so it did not hurt future opportunities with spec for me to deliver content and media to you guys. I hope you understand sorry for the trouble.

Once again I asked my photos to be taken down. If any of you are upset and want to vent and chew me out feel free to call me or send me an email.

405-626-2816
Talbotcoxmedia@gmail.com
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Talbot- Not mad at you at all, I appreciate your work and like mentioned would have taken them down. Was more directed at Dan with my response and totally understand you wanting them removed.

Dan- Copy all and understand. Look forward to seeing the actual launch, rather than the spy shots as want to see the full details/specs explained.

-Brad Williams
Website | Twitter: @BW_Tri |Instagram: @BW_Tri | Strava | Co-Founder & Coach at: KIS Coaching
Partnered with: Zoot Sports | Precision Fuel &Hydration | ISM
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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I also totally respect brands and their embargo’s.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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What?!?!
No! No?
I was just offline for about 4h and now I came back and saw that I missed the first pictures of great new bikesđź­đź­đź­đź­

Noooo!!!
#myLifeIsHard
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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There a stories on Ben Hoff instagram that shows at a glance.
Check it out.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Take a look at my Instagram @cxcarroll
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [binhopires] [ In reply to ]
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binhopires wrote:
There a stories on Ben Hoff instagram that shows at a glance.
Check it out.

no there aren't
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I can't find that insta
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Cookiebuilder] [ In reply to ]
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Its @carrollcx
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Cookiebuilder] [ In reply to ]
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My bad đź‚
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
aerobean wrote:
I saw Tim Don out in boulder the other day and the shiv looked pretty standard but with a speed box like trek's speed concept


Well you didn't see the real thing If "pretty standard" is the descriptor


I hate to say it, but it looks pretty standard. Except for the reservoir thing.

Next.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Carfrae having hydration doesn't mean anything as it's not being sold to the public.

You cannot violate a patent and then simply defend copying it by not selling it. How do you think that works in professional motorsports? The patent is specific and the workaround to avoid violating it makes the end-product not consumer-friendly.

-SD

https://www.kickstarter.com/...bike-for-the-new-era
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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In person it is quite striking
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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What strikes me is how thin it is...considering that the shiv seems...wider

DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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SuperDave wrote:
The patent is specific and the workaround to avoid violating it makes the end-product not consumer-friendly.


You mean a workaround like running a tube from behind the saddle, down the seattube, over the bottom bracket, back up the downtube? :)

Point being that if Specialized doesn't see enough value in their own patent to continue using it, I doubt they want to commit the resources to cease-and-desist one-off tinkerers, with the risk of negative PR.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
SuperDave wrote:
The patent is specific and the workaround to avoid violating it makes the end-product not consumer-friendly.

You mean a workaround like running a tube from behind the saddle, down the seattube, over the bottom bracket, back up the downtube? :)

Point being that if Specialized doesn't see enough value in their own patent to continue using it, I doubt they want to commit the resources to cease-and-desist one-off tinkerers, with the risk of negative PR.

Do you know many patents Specialized has that they don't use? From Powermeters to tube Profiles. Are you kidding? The Shiv has a bladder in the downtube now, the IA doesn't.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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Tech companies have tons of patents they never use. There’s nothing wrong with Specialized having patents.

Make Inside Out Sports your next online tri shop! http://www.insideoutsports.com/
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Tech companies have tons of patents they never use. There’s nothing wrong with Specialized having patents.
I assume you meant to reply to trail?

https://www.kickstarter.com/...bike-for-the-new-era
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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No

Make Inside Out Sports your next online tri shop! http://www.insideoutsports.com/
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
No

Well of course I don't think there's anything wrong with them holding patents, I'm eager to add to them tbh.
-SD

https://www.kickstarter.com/...bike-for-the-new-era
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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Hahaha I bet.

Make Inside Out Sports your next online tri shop! http://www.insideoutsports.com/
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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SuperDave wrote:


Do you know many patents Specialized has that they don't use? From Powermeters to tube Profiles. Are you kidding? The Shiv has a bladder in the downtube now, the IA doesn't.



Yeah, big companies patent squat. I was mostly just making fun of this curious new hydration routing on the new Shiv, which takes me back to this:






Edit: Oh, damn, I couldn't figure out why you were advocating so hard for Specialzied, but now it all makes sense. I didn't realize you'd left 3T!
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't realize you'd left 3T either. Can I assume you saw my thread about Specialized's new hub-based power meter a week or so ago?

Since you work for Roval now, can you shed a bit of light on Road UST? Mavic seems to have made it an open standard and, as far as I can tell, it's just a dimensional standard. However, nobody else has adopted it as far as I can tell. Does Roval have any plans on adopting it and, if not, why?

I have a pair of the Mavic Road UST wheels and their rim/tire combo has been the only "easy" road tubeless setup I've tried (all the others have been a struggle in one way or another). With that in mind, it appears that holding tight dimensional tolerances is important and that doing so works. Care to add to that?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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That thing is ugly as hell. The previous integration was amazing. I'm quite glad I went with an Argon e119 than waiting for that.

It looks like a UCI-legal shiv with just a humongous draft box in the back and goes against the awesome innovation of fuselage integrated hydration. Hopefully that thing is scrapped.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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New shiv
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [tridude93] [ In reply to ]
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The S5 Disc is out.
Interesting is also the new categories for their bikes. Cervelo is now having the P-Series for TT and Triathlon and the PX-Series for Triathlon only.
In the PX-Series they are speaking about bikes (plural). So maybe beside the new P5 Disc their might be also updates for the P3X or P2X. I heard rumors about the P3X before but my Cervelo contact told me, that there won´t be any P3X within the next year. Maybe that information was wrong and there will be new PX bikes already this/next year.

Did any of you see some pros on new Cervelos in Kona already?



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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Regarding the new bike of the "S" brand which we for sure haven´t seen yet I need to say that I quite like it. It looks more balanced (design wise) than the old one with the huge downtube. The new bike looks way more like their TT bike. But IDK what to do with the huge trunk behind the seat. I am curious what the details are but I guess during training you normally don´t use this. And for race day it seems like you can take 5 liter of water, snacks and other groceries with you. Nice.
Interesting is that they were trying to make such a big deal out of the spy shots but why are they then writing the their logo and bike name this big over the entire frame of the secret bike. I would assume that they would go stealth like Freddy and his P5X back then. Or were the deleted posts about the Felt IA?

So new Shiv, new P5 disc and maybe a P3X as well as the Pinarello Bolide Tri and for sure the Felt IA disc. This year Kona seems to be pretty interesting :)

Does actually any of you use the integrated drinking system of the Plasma or Speedmax during training?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
Regarding the new bike of the "S" brand which we for sure haven´t seen yet I need to say that I quite like it. It looks more balanced (design wise) than the old one with the huge downtube. The new bike looks way more like their TT bike. But IDK what to do with the huge trunk behind the seat. I am curious what the details are but I guess during training you normally don´t use this. And for race day it seems like you can take 5 liter of water, snacks and other groceries with you. Nice.
Interesting is that they were trying to make such a big deal out of the spy shots but why are they then writing the their logo and bike name this big over the entire frame of the secret bike. I would assume that they would go stealth like Freddy and his P5X back then. Or were the deleted posts about the Felt IA?

So new Shiv, new P5 disc and maybe a P3X as well as the Pinarello Bolide Tri and for sure the Felt IA disc. This year Kona seems to be pretty interesting :)

Does actually any of you use the integrated drinking system of the Plasma or Speedmax during training?

I do use the integrated hydration on my Plasma for outdoor training rides but not indoors stuff. I am glad I have done as well as it has allowed me to optimise a few things with it (I have made my own straw and magnet system for it). Volume wise it is not huge either, definitely need extra options for longer stuff.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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personally, i LOVE the features of this bike, from what i've seen (that i shouldn't have seen).

From what I've heard so far the bar adjustment (xy, not travel friendliness) is not that great. You know how fussy I am about such things.
Of course, I'm going to wait for full data before I decide whether I like the bike or not.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Cam Brown put on twitter the other day that he is on the *new* Merida TT bike, it was announced back around the TdF it appears, but is a solid upgrade for him, 400g lighter and has integrate storage box similar to Canyon it appears. Also believe that is the new Vision aero bar that is on it. Obviously not a highly talked about brand on here, and no idea what the price point is, but good to see Cam on an updated bike.

https://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/news/the-new-time-warp-tt-faster-and-lighter-than-ever-before-3244.html

-Brad Williams
Website | Twitter: @BW_Tri |Instagram: @BW_Tri | Strava | Co-Founder & Coach at: KIS Coaching
Partnered with: Zoot Sports | Precision Fuel &Hydration | ISM
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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All that makes sense. The resistance of the tube won't be important due to the hydration bladder being mostly higher than the delivery point up front.

Resistance of a tube is still proportional to length, and the delivery point is the rider's head - still higher than even the top of that sail-like contraption. Trying to suck the last bit of sports drink out of that system is going to be hard work, unless the whole system is pressurised. Hmm.... An on-board keg?

ZONE3 - We Last Longer
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [@BW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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@BW_Tri wrote:
Cam Brown put on twitter the other day that he is on the *new* Merida TT bike, it was announced back around the TdF it appears, but is a solid upgrade for him, 400g lighter and has integrate storage box similar to Canyon it appears. Also believe that is the new Vision aero bar that is on it. Obviously not a highly talked about brand on here, and no idea what the price point is, but good to see Cam on an updated bike.

https://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/news/the-new-time-warp-tt-faster-and-lighter-than-ever-before-3244.html

Good thing, the previous Warp was a bit of an anachronistic design. Not as awful as the Warp before it, though - that was a eyesore.

Merida always have value-for-money going for them, but the designs aren't usually class leaders - but the latest gen of bikes seems to be a move in the right direction. The Scultura (lightweight road) and newer XC bikes are actually bikes I would put on a short-list even if money wasn't the leading consideration.

But then you get a quote like this:

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A more commercial triathlon version based on the TT-frame featuring a higher front end and cockpit position for longer distances is scheduled for initial availability in MY20. As interesting additional features, the TIME-WARP TRI has an integrated storage compartment, located in front of the seat tube that offers space for an inner tube, CO2 cartridge or mini tool as well as a matching nutrition storage-box.

Surely by now some manufacturer must've gotten the memo that triathletes ride longer positions than UCI-limited TT pros?

ZONE3 - We Last Longer
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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I personally think the new Warp looks quite ok. But with Merida I am always wondering about the build quality. Also in the pictures you can see some weird details.





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Yeah, the new one is nice. Clean, neat, simple - as a TT bike should be. Don't know if the frame is as fast/optimised as the rivals, the tubes don't look as narrow and refined-to-death.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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one of merida's nicest efforts!
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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I am just wondering why bike manufacturers have such a bad marketing. Why is there no official release date out there for upcoming bikes together with a launch event? Cervelo just dropped their new S5D out of nowhere. And just by suprise I saw it on instagram. The only proper bike launch that I remember is the Scott Plasma. Kienle was riding a prototype in Frankfurt; everyone new that a new bike is coming and than they told you four weeks before that there will be a launch event together with some athletes at an indoor track. I kind of miss that with the upcoming bikes.

Does anyone know when Cervelo and Specialized are launching the new bike or are they planning to do this spontaneously when they are in the right mood?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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And another beautiful picture of the Pinarello Bolide Tri.

I assume stem is a bit raised compared with the Bolide TT to go flush with the bento box.
Seems like it doesn´t have integrated hydration and rather a bottle cage at the saddle. I wonder if the box in frame has any specific purpose or if it is only some space for tools and tiers.
But it doesn´t have a Campagnolo group set. I thought that would be mandatory on a Pinarello.

Further Pinarello added #thinkAsymetric. Any guess what that is for?

What do you guys think? Do you prefer a rather simple but beautiful bike or are you looking forward to more expressive bikes such as the P5X, new Shiv or even the new Ceepo Ghost?


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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I think the Pinarello will be a beautiful tri bike, a "simple" design can be very beautiful and i'm sure that there will be lots of research behind in in terms of aerodynamica

Other question: Any rumours about canyon upgrading their speedmax with disc brakes?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks dan I appreciate it. Sorry guys just trying not to burn bridges. If I burn bridges like this than that means no more videos. If you wanna see the new “s-works (no name yet)” bike. Do what I did. Buy a one way ticket to Hawaii! :) or wait until it’s released. Hehe

Thanks for understanding. On a side note I recorded it and saw it. And have some freaking epic videos to be released when the “un named” bike is. đźť

Watch this space.

Bit late for trying not to burn any bridges. you have just about burnt every photographer in the industry and now the bike brands. I'm sure the people can't wait to see your shaky footage of the new Specialized, should be freaking epic...
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Nugadora] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
Thanks dan I appreciate it. Sorry guys just trying not to burn bridges. If I burn bridges like this than that means no more videos. If you wanna see the new “s-works (no name yet)” bike. Do what I did. Buy a one way ticket to Hawaii! :) or wait until it’s released. Hehe

Thanks for understanding. On a side note I recorded it and saw it. And have some freaking epic videos to be released when the “un named” bike is. đźť

Watch this space.


Bit late for trying not to burn any bridges. you have just about burnt every photographer in the industry and now the bike brands. I'm sure the people can't wait to see your shaky footage of the new Specialized, should be freaking epic...

haha - what.....
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Nugadora] [ In reply to ]
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Bit late for trying not to burn any bridges. you have just about burnt every photographer in the industry and now the bike brands. I'm sure the people can't wait to see your shaky footage of the new Specialized, should be freaking epic...

First post in years and it's to take a public dig at the new guy creating lots of great content for fans all season long? What's up?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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[..]humongous draft box in the back and goes against the awesome innovation of fuselage integrated hydration. Hopefully that thing is scrapped.

Wait until you see the drag numbers with riders on. I bet that draft box is just long enough to manage thigh drag more effectively.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Nugadora] [ In reply to ]
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Nugadora wrote:

Bit late for trying not to burn any bridges. you have just about burnt every photographer in the industry and now the bike brands. I'm sure the people can't wait to see your shaky footage of the new Specialized, should be freaking epic...
Jealous much? Because he lucked into being able to produce amazing content that no one else was doing? What did the guy say in Gran Torino? Oh, Get off my lawn!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Runorama] [ In reply to ]
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Runorama wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
[..]humongous draft box in the back and goes against the awesome innovation of fuselage integrated hydration. Hopefully that thing is scrapped.

Wait until you see the drag numbers with riders on. I bet that draft box is just long enough to manage thigh drag more effectively.

That’s possible.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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"Trying to suck the last bit of sports drink out of that system is going to be hard work, unless the whole system is pressurised. Hmm.... An on-board keg? "

I hope you get your name on Superdave's next patent on an hydrid air cannister system for dual purpose of tube inflation and pressurized hydration!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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Trirunner wrote:
"Trying to suck the last bit of sports drink out of that system is going to be hard work, unless the whole system is pressurised. Hmm.... An on-board keg? "
I hope you get your name on Superdave's next patent on an hydrid air cannister system for dual purpose of tube inflation and pressurized hydration!
I had a similar idea for hydration delivery but it sucked.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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I have a working prototype in my fridge, although I'm afraid I haven't tested it with sports drink at this point.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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SuperDave wrote:
Trirunner wrote:
"Trying to suck the last bit of sports drink out of that system is going to be hard work, unless the whole system is pressurised. Hmm.... An on-board keg? "
I hope you get your name on Superdave's next patent on an hydrid air cannister system for dual purpose of tube inflation and pressurized hydration!

I had a similar idea for hydration delivery but it sucked.
-SD

what you did there. i see it.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure why you would be worried about Merida build quality. Between the Giant factory and their factory most of the worlds more quality bikes are built for other brands.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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For the new P5 monostem, was their any chatter or info on the ability to retro that onto an existing P5?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [maninthearena] [ In reply to ]
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If they take the P5-X front end and put it on the P5, then no.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Thx. Before I go the Alpha One route, I think I’ll hang tight a bit. Hope springs eternal.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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"I had a similar idea for hydration delivery but it sucked."

Seems to me you had negative pressure differential where you needed positive one, then ;)
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [maninthearena] [ In reply to ]
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Impossible.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [maninthearena] [ In reply to ]
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maninthearena wrote:
Thx. Before I go the Alpha One route, I think I’ll hang tight a bit. Hope springs eternal.

Just go ahead and buy the Alpha One. It won't be compatible with your P5.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Since I found this collage in my garden and since it has no branding on it I hope it is not hurting anyone if I leave this hear :D
I wish you all some very interesting upcoming weeks in Kona and if anyone has a clue how the hydration system is working please let me know.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Here's some more details:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoYJpBFDjuS/?taken-by=thetestlab
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
Hey guys,
Pinarello Bolide Tri

Cameron Wurf was already riding it at Challenge Almere in the Netherlands and Pinarello just posted a picture on IG about the new Tri bike. It will have disc brakes and a storage as well as hydration compartment.


Are you sure its a hydration compartment?


Wurf: "I need somewhere to store my witty banter and trash talking"


Pinarello: "Hold my prosecco...''
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [FastFreddy] [ In reply to ]
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Here's some more details:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoYJpBFDjuS/?taken-by=thetestlab

You realize all those details came from GreenPlease on here right???

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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You forgot to blur out â€Shiv’ on the chainstay. Side note, wow that bike is fugly

Matt
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I love how it looks!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Nope, had no idea. Don’t know who that is.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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The <not to be named bike> looked so strange with the storage sail thingy.. but I actually think it might look even more odd when the storage compartment is removed.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Pun_Times wrote:
You forgot to blur out â€Shiv’ on the chainstay. Side note, wow that bike is fugly

I thought the p5x was bad geez that looks horrible.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I'd just like to point out that you have Di2 shifters on an eTap bike ;)

I'm waiting until I see the bike in a larger frame size before I pass judgement on its aesthetics. After owning a Shiv for a few years, I can safely say the bladder is a race day only proposition... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't logged in in years and I feel compelled to post about how much that bike makes my stomach churn. . .
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trIoway] [ In reply to ]
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if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.


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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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When I saw that Specialized I thought it was a bad concept drawing ....then I saw the Instagram post.....wow .....if that's really it.....its horrifying....and that's the best thing I can say about it right now.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Did BryanD possibly decide on a new bike with this release?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [mike s] [ In reply to ]
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I am beginning to think there are different options for the back storage area. I bet they have different sizes... for training rides and basically "every day life" you have a small box(no hydration) that looks much better and integrated (more like the Trek). For a long race you can use the giant suitcase with fluids.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [mike s] [ In reply to ]
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mike s wrote:
Did BryanD possibly decide on a new bike with this release?


Haha maybe if it's as cool as I think it will be!

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [chriselam] [ In reply to ]
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chriselam wrote:
if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.


Yeah, the offset in the horizontal lines of the toptube and the box thing is pretty jarring, from a purely aesthetic sense.

But sometimes bikes grow on you.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [TizzleDK] [ In reply to ]
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TizzleDK wrote:
When I saw that Specialized I thought it was a bad concept drawing ....then I saw the Instagram post.....wow .....if that's really it.....its horrifying....and that's the best thing I can say about it right now.

I say let's wait to pass judgement. This could prove to be a very versatile long course bike especially if Specialized takes this in the direction I think they will with hydration (multiple options). As another poster said, if you put your thumb over the hydration system it's a decent looking bike.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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If they'd just made those line up, I think it'd look fine. I guess I'll reserve my judgement until after official launch.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Eh...they destroyed a beautiful bike for what? You know I was watching the GCN Oakley video...they storyboard everything first...this looks like the engineer got whatever he wanted.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
chriselam wrote:
if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.



Yeah, the offset in the horizontal lines of the toptube and the box thing is pretty jarring, from a purely aesthetic sense.

But sometimes bikes grow on you.
So does cancer.

In my estimation, I'd say they've made a concerted effort to move the centre of pressure as far back as possible, presumably to improve crosswind stability.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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A little birdie told me to keep an eye out for QR PRfour disc. Just saying.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I dunno, while the box is the biggest offender, there are some other aesthetic issues. The lines of the fork are not real attractive. The front end where the fork and down tube meet the head tube looks weird. There is some kind of gap (perhaps where the straw comes out). The downtube storage while very functional and likely well thought out takes away from the beauty of the downtube. In the picture above the gap between the front tire and the downtube looks a bit off (though it looks alright in the Instagram pic). The seat post is quite narrow. Maybe it’s more aerodynamic than the biggest/deeper ones every other manufacturer uses. But it looks out of place. Such a stark contrast to the new Pinarello Bolide. Though I suppose function over fashion.

It’ll also be interesting to see what the second fastest bike in their white paper is

Matt
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [domingjm] [ In reply to ]
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domingjm wrote:
I little birdie told me to keep an eye out for QR PRfour disc. Just saying.

Did that birdie happen to have some pictures or details on that bike as well??

I am not too much into QR but so far they had a PR6 and PR5 with disc already, didn´t they?
And the PR4 would be a cheaper version of that also with discs?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. If I had to choose, I'd pick the Pinarello over that Specialized Shart any day.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
domingjm wrote:
I little birdie told me to keep an eye out for QR PRfour disc. Just saying.

Did that birdie happen to have some pictures or details on that bike as well??

I am not too much into QR but so far they had a PR6 and PR5 with disc already, didn´t they?
And the PR4 would be a cheaper version of that also with discs?

Yep, apparently with 105, starting at $3,000. I'm very interested.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [domingjm] [ In reply to ]
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I've gotta say the new 105 group is really really really nice. It's basically last year's R8000 Ultegra. I can't imagine ever needing more in terms of quality, reliability, and ergonomics... maybe just an extra cog out back ;)
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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I can't disagree with you on the fork. It is what it is. Clearly designed for function over form. With regards to the down tube storage I don't think it would bother you in person. I've seen it on some of Specialized's other bikes and my impression has always been "neat!" Given the proportions of some of the Shiv's tubes, it appears that it likely underwent a design process similar to the new Venge where they optimized for both aero and weight (and UCI restrictions). I'm quite confident that without the hydration system that this bike will be UCI legal.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [MattyK] [ In reply to ]
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MattyK wrote:
trail wrote:
chriselam wrote:
if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.



Yeah, the offset in the horizontal lines of the toptube and the box thing is pretty jarring, from a purely aesthetic sense.

But sometimes bikes grow on you.

So does cancer.

In my estimation, I'd say they've made a concerted effort to move the centre of pressure as far back as possible, presumably to improve crosswind stability.

That works btw. In addition to helping with stability Specialized's system likely improves the aerodynamics of the bike-rider system.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
chriselam wrote:
if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.



Yeah, the offset in the horizontal lines of the toptube and the box thing is pretty jarring, from a purely aesthetic sense.

But sometimes bikes grow on you.

On a larger sizes that offset will approach zero.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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I do wonder how many brands will end-up releasing slower bikes, purely for sales/marketing reasons and to incorporate the latest 'on-trend' technology.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [domingjm] [ In reply to ]
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domingjm wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
domingjm wrote:
I little birdie told me to keep an eye out for QR PRfour disc. Just saying.


Did that birdie happen to have some pictures or details on that bike as well??

I am not too much into QR but so far they had a PR6 and PR5 with disc already, didn´t they?
And the PR4 would be a cheaper version of that also with discs?


Yep, apparently with 105, starting at $3,000. I'm very interested.

I don't get the excitement over something like this. Given the low prices that training wheels and 105 equipment goes for.....You're still paying over $2000 for what is essentially a plain frame that happens to use disc brakes?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
trail wrote:
chriselam wrote:
if you put your thumb over that giant thing on the back it's a really nice looking bike.



Yeah, the offset in the horizontal lines of the toptube and the box thing is pretty jarring, from a purely aesthetic sense.

But sometimes bikes grow on you.


On a larger sizes that offset will approach zero.

I also think, that the offset will get less with larger frames but I cannot imagine that it gets anywhere close to zero since the offset on True´s bike is quite hard.
Where did you guys get the information that the sail in the back is for hydration that goes through the bottom bracket. I saw Sarah the other day also having a hydration system on the aero bars. Is she having two systems?

I really wonder if the bike will be UCI legal with some adjustments. That would mean that Specialized drops one of their bikes (Shiv / Shiv TT). On the other hand the current spy shots show a bike that is really close to the current Shiv TT. Only the cockpit is a bit different (besides the Sail of death on the back and the fork).

The official release would probably be on Saturday or Sunday (Fingers crossed).
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I think Specialized will sell them as fast as they make them available.

Nice bike.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [arby] [ In reply to ]
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Once we find out the features and someone does something special on one a week or so from now, it's going to look much prettier.

I am starting to like it...

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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It definitely won't be UCI legal.

The more interesting part is the front end, which has a split vane style thing similar to the old Wilier, and akin to what Factor is doing. It's funny that the Wilier was more or less brushed off, it seems they were on to something. Basically, the fork blades continue straight up to the bars. There is also some kind of computer-hydration BTA setup, as there was a little thing sticking out in the middle between Sara's arms.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Is it me, or does the sippy straw appear to come out the side of the headtube area? I can't tell if that's where it comes out, or if that's where it'd dangling.

My preference based on personal experience is a relatively short vertical straw straight down the middle. That way it can be relatively hidden behind the bars, and you're never having to worry about where to put your mouth or move the end around. And, of course just stiff enough to stay vertical, but not so stiff that you risk core-sampling your mouth if you hit a bump while drinking.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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She is using an XLAB Torpedo on the aerobars

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [arby] [ In reply to ]
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arby wrote:
I think Specialized will sell them as fast as they make them available.

Nice bike.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder apparently. That's an ew...

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I can't disagree with you on the fork. It is what it is. Clearly designed for function over form. With regards to the down tube storage I don't think it would bother you in person. I've seen it on some of Specialized's other bikes and my impression has always been "neat!" Given the proportions of some of the Shiv's tubes, it appears that it likely underwent a design process similar to the new Venge where they optimized for both aero and weight (and UCI restrictions). I'm quite confident that without the hydration system that this bike will be UCI legal.
I thought there was a limit to how low you could mount the seat stays. But maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am wrong.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
domingjm wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
domingjm wrote:
I little birdie told me to keep an eye out for QR PRfour disc. Just saying.


Did that birdie happen to have some pictures or details on that bike as well??

I am not too much into QR but so far they had a PR6 and PR5 with disc already, didn´t they?
And the PR4 would be a cheaper version of that also with discs?


Yep, apparently with 105, starting at $3,000. I'm very interested.


I don't get the excitement over something like this. Given the low prices that training wheels and 105 equipment goes for.....You're still paying over $2000 for what is essentially a plain frame that happens to use disc brakes?

What are better options for disc brakes at the moment?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Staer] [ In reply to ]
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They've confirmed in the written description in the product catalog that it isn't UCI legal.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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They've confirmed in the written description in the product catalog that it isn't UCI legal.

So the current Shiv TT lives on for another decade?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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sorelegs wrote:
They've confirmed in the written description in the product catalog that it isn't UCI legal.

That’s unfortunate. Boo.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
sorelegs wrote:
They've confirmed in the written description in the product catalog that it isn't UCI legal.


That’s unfortunate. Boo.

I like that it's not UCI legal.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Take off the rear storage and change the fork? Would it be UCI legal?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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The seat stays are too far away from the Top Tube to remain within UCI boxes. The frame (as is) looks to be Triathlon only.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [KevQ] [ In reply to ]
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Cervelo will crush it with the new p5|p3x all things considered. I hope my expectations match the aesthetics of the bike(s).
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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If they did that though, all fairing of the rear wheel would be gone and there's near zero chance that bike is fast without the hydration fairing I wouldn't think.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [gregtay] [ In reply to ]
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gregtay wrote:
sorelegs wrote:
They've confirmed in the written description in the product catalog that it isn't UCI legal.

So the current Shiv TT lives on for another decade?

My exact thought. They just duct taped a box on the back and charged more for R&D. I was looking forward to the new specialized, but this is just plain stupid looking. I still think the trek SC is the best looking bike and practical bike by far.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like the ICON paint for the madone project one builds has been extended to the speed concept.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [independent] [ In reply to ]
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I guess this is nothing new but just to have also the Felt IA here once more: here is the new rig of Daniela Ryf with disc brakes.

I just checked the Specialized Website and it seems they are currently changing their Shiv and Shiv TT sites. It´s quite odd that you´ll be linked to the page of the Shivv TT once you click on the Shiv. And once you click on the Shiv TT it would tell you an 404 error. :)
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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is that tilt I see?

Chris_Mint wrote:
I guess this is nothing new but just to have also the Felt IA here once more: here is the new rig of Daniela Ryf with disc brakes.

I just checked the Specialized Website and it seems they are currently changing their Shiv and Shiv TT sites. It´s quite odd that you´ll be linked to the page of the Shivv TT once you click on the Shiv. And once you click on the Shiv TT it would tell you an 404 error. :)

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
is that tilt I see?

Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if its just custom shims to get the tilt she wanted.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I sent them a message on that about a week ago but have not received a reply 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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which is what we all do on our non-tilting bikes. As long as you've got enough bolts lying around, it's not hard to do an undermount with tilt on a Felt IA. I seem to do that quite a bit with people.

stevej wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
is that tilt I see?


Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if its just custom shims to get the tilt she wanted.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [KevQ] [ In reply to ]
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Correct... I added the bold below... that being said, I also didn't see a Shiv TT in the catalogue either so who knows...

We've never been one for dogmatic rules, so with a little defiance of the UCI's rule book, the
Shiv, again, sets the new standard for speed. It keeps its aero, fuel, and fit focus, but does so in
a whole new light. Yes, it has disc brakes. Yes, it’s easy to travel with. And yes, it takes aero to
unheard of heights, virtually disappearing in a crosswind. There’s only one bike that’s going to
help get you to the top of the podium this season, and that’s the S-Works Shiv Disc.


• The incredibly aerodynamic, crosswind-optimized, and non-UCI-legal FACT carbon
frame features all the details you’ve asked for—it’s packable, adjustable, has our
Fuelselage II integrated hydration and Fuelcell II nutrition systems, and it makes it easy to
find your perfect fit. The new "Shape of Speed" philosophy optimizes each tube shape
around aerodynamics, weight, and stiffness, and this creates the opportunity for
functional integration without compromising speed.


• The Control Tower II cockpit not only takes aerodynamics seriously, but it also allows for a
multitude of adjustments. As an added bonus, the Control Tower II easily unbolts from the
frame, and the basebar folds down parallel to the fork. This makes packing headaches a
thing of the past


• We've combined our incredibly light and stiff, carbon fiber S-Works road cranks with
dual-sided power measurement, making it the lightest (440g/172.5mm) and most
accurate (+/- 1.5%) power meter available.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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• We've combined our incredibly light and stiff, carbon fiber S-Works road cranks with
dual-sided power measurement, making it the lightest (440g/172.5mm) and most
accurate (+/- 1.5%) power meter available.

I love completely blatant lies in marketing. “Most accurate”, yeah sure if you ignore both SRM’s normal power meters and their science powermeter.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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And here we go once more:


I like the design! But IMO the stem could be integrated a bit better.
It would probably be around 14k USD but I guess the new S-Works Shiv Disc nor the P5 Disc will be any cheaper.

Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:

Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.

I didn't expect anything from the actual bike side, but this is pretty cool - I love the custom work even if it is well beyond my means.

Looking at the Schwalbe tires though - just change to something faster might be worth 101 seconds maybe? Shorter video...

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Is it just me, or does some of that look inspired by the old Transition?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:


Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.


I didn't expect anything from the actual bike side, but this is pretty cool - I love the custom work even if it is well beyond my means.

Looking at the Schwalbe tires though - just change to something faster might be worth 101 seconds maybe? Shorter video...


Where are you guys seeing this Project 101 thing?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [teichs42] [ In reply to ]
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teichs42 wrote:
dfru wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:


Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.


I didn't expect anything from the actual bike side, but this is pretty cool - I love the custom work even if it is well beyond my means.

Looking at the Schwalbe tires though - just change to something faster might be worth 101 seconds maybe? Shorter video...


Where are you guys seeing this Project 101 thing?

check "Project 101 Revealed" by SwissSide on Youtube.com
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
teichs42 wrote:
dfru wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:


Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.


I didn't expect anything from the actual bike side, but this is pretty cool - I love the custom work even if it is well beyond my means.

Looking at the Schwalbe tires though - just change to something faster might be worth 101 seconds maybe? Shorter video...


Where are you guys seeing this Project 101 thing?

check "Project 101 Revealed" by SwissSide on Youtube.com

Won't Canyon release any disc brake speedmax models?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [sorelegs] [ In reply to ]
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Correct... I added the bold below... that being said, I also didn't see a Shiv TT in the catalogue either so who knows...

We've never been one for dogmatic rules, so with a little defiance of the UCI's rule book, the
Shiv, again, sets the new standard for speed. It keeps its aero, fuel, and fit focus, but does so in
a whole new light. Yes, it has disc brakes. Yes, it’s easy to travel with. And yes, it takes aero to
unheard of heights, virtually disappearing in a crosswind. There’s only one bike that’s going to
help get you to the top of the podium this season, and that’s the S-Works Shiv Disc.


• The incredibly aerodynamic, crosswind-optimized, and non-UCI-legal FACT carbon
frame features all the details you’ve asked for—it’s packable, adjustable, has our
Fuelselage II integrated hydration and Fuelcell II nutrition systems, and it makes it easy to
find your perfect fit. The new "Shape of Speed" philosophy optimizes each tube shape
around aerodynamics, weight, and stiffness, and this creates the opportunity for
functional integration without compromising speed.


• The Control Tower II cockpit not only takes aerodynamics seriously, but it also allows for a
multitude of adjustments. As an added bonus, the Control Tower II easily unbolts from the
frame, and the basebar folds down parallel to the fork. This makes packing headaches a
thing of the past


• We've combined our incredibly light and stiff, carbon fiber S-Works road cranks with
dual-sided power measurement, making it the lightest (440g/172.5mm) and most
accurate (+/- 1.5%) power meter available.

They forgot to mention: It's Ugly as all get out...new name: shovelface shiv.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [kdl2493] [ In reply to ]
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That bike is already so optimized, I think disc brakes would harm the overall aerodynamics. They would have go to the route of Rafael (the first front-integrated hydration ever, 2009; this one came in 2014, and Canyon–and others– was clearly inspired by it).




https://vonrafael.com/rafael-r-023-2/

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Staer] [ In reply to ]
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Was the Raphael ever truly a productionized frame? It was certainly innovative in several area, and combined some of the best ideas from many different manufacturers.

But, I had front bladder based hydration sometime in 2007, on more than one frame.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [chicanery] [ In reply to ]
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Rafael was always custom built. So, kind of "productionized" - just not mass market, and definitely not concept.

What bikes had integrated hydration in 2007?

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Staer] [ In reply to ]
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I was doing it on my Zipp 2001 and Softride Rocket TT, both of which had...extensive head tubes. I used Platypus bladders.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
And here we go once more:


I like the design! But IMO the stem could be integrated a bit better.
It would probably be around 14k USD but I guess the new S-Works Shiv Disc nor the P5 Disc will be any cheaper.

Where did this come from? This is quite a bit different from those other Shiv prototypes floating around....
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Great looking bike. Unfortunately, it being a Pinarello, I won't hold my breathe on price or ever even seeing one in person.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [dprocket] [ In reply to ]
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lol


Despite the last few pages being focused on Specialized, this is not a thread about Specialized.
That's the Pinarello.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [dprocket] [ In reply to ]
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dprocket wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
And here we go once more:


I like the design! But IMO the stem could be integrated a bit better.
It would probably be around 14k USD but I guess the new S-Works Shiv Disc nor the P5 Disc will be any cheaper.

Where did this come from? This is quite a bit different from those other Shiv prototypes floating around....

yes, indeed it is the Pinarello Bolide Tri. I forgot to mwntion it when I was posting the picture. Cameron Wurf is already riding it and I expect Pinarello to launch it on Sunday.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
teichs42 wrote:
dfru wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:


Side note:
The Project 101 for the Speedmax CF SLX was released just 15min ago and unfortunately it isn´t any cool update or facelift to the Speedmax. It is only a 3d printed titanium cockpit for Patrick Lange. They just stole the very same design and idea that MOST had for Team Sky at the TdF.


I didn't expect anything from the actual bike side, but this is pretty cool - I love the custom work even if it is well beyond my means.

Looking at the Schwalbe tires though - just change to something faster might be worth 101 seconds maybe? Shorter video...



Where are you guys seeing this Project 101 thing?


check "Project 101 Revealed" by SwissSide on Youtube.com

Wow, looks super professional. Meanwhile, LS has his wife buy some foam in home depot and tapes it to his aeorbars with some duct tape</pink>
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
The official release would probably be on Saturday or Sunday (Fingers crossed).
Monday.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [uucee] [ In reply to ]
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uucee wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
The official release would probably be on Saturday or Sunday (Fingers crossed).
Monday.

THANKS!

Unfortunately Ben Hoffman just dropped out of this year Kona. Would have loved to see him on the new Shiv. Hope he gets well soon.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Staer] [ In reply to ]
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Staer wrote:
lol


Despite the last few pages being focused on Specialized, this is not a thread about Specialized.
That's the Pinarello.




As usual Wurf is not riding the Pinarello Bolide Tri with the original Pinarello stem and handlebar.
Just like the "old" Shiv it will be possible to have a storage box in the frame where Cam is currently having his bottles.

To me the Pinarello is clearly better looking but it seems not to have any integrated hydration system. The Shiv does have it but it comes with some "unusual" design.

Which one would you prefer: Pinarello Bolide Tri vs S-Works Shiv Disc???
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
Staer wrote:
lol


Despite the last few pages being focused on Specialized, this is not a thread about Specialized.
That's the Pinarello.





As usual Wurf is not riding the Pinarello Bolide Tri with the original Pinarello stem and handlebar.
Just like the "old" Shiv it will be possible to have a storage box in the frame where Cam is currently having his bottles.

To me the Pinarello is clearly better looking but it seems not to have any integrated hydration system. The Shiv does have it but it comes with some "unusual" design.

Which one would you prefer: Pinarello Bolide Tri vs S-Works Shiv Disc???

Speed Concept or IA...I think the Pinarello is a bit meh whereas the shiv is full on hideous.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jayski] [ In reply to ]
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jayski wrote:
Speed Concept or IA...I think the Pinarello is a bit meh whereas the shiv is full on hideous.

That Rafael is full-on beautiful simplicity. I still prefer the 1st Gen SC on that basis (but not the cable routing!)

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Jorgan] [ In reply to ]
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Jorgan wrote:
jayski wrote:

Speed Concept or IA...I think the Pinarello is a bit meh whereas the shiv is full on hideous.


That Rafael is full-on beautiful simplicity. I still prefer the 1st Gen SC on that basis (but not the cable routing!)

Spot on. That Rafael is stunning. Euromillions needed.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jayski] [ In reply to ]
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I agree. I own the current shiv and I have to say the Speed concept is the most beautiful TT bike out at the moment and will probably be at the top of the list for years to come in terms of looks.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [mknight84] [ In reply to ]
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My first TT bike was a Speed Concept 2.5. In 2014 I bought the Gen 2 Speed Concept and fell in love. I’ve since also added a Shiv and a TriRig Omni (I have a bike problem).

The Speed Concept wins in the looks department. It gets a ton of compliments. It’s also my bike of choice for a 40k TT or an Olympic or shorter triathlon.

The Shiv is a perfect 70.3 bike. Not as pretty but very functional and only about 5 watts slower than my SC as far as I can tell. 24 oz bottle between my arms, about 20oz of water in the bladder, a couple of gels and I’m good. No need to grab a bottle at an aid station or swap bottles from behind my seat. I can just stay in aero and ride.

I haven’t raced my Omni yet. I’ve only ridden it a few times. Tbh, I bought because I’ve always wanted a Z frame. That said I’m slowly warning up to it. I would call it “elegantly simple”. There’s a chance that running a bottle on the second set of bosses doesn’t incur much of an aero penalty.

The Speed Concept is a hell of a bike. I’d argue that it’s the current king of the TT bikes (shared with the P5). Trek could get a lot of additional life out of the Speed Concept by simply developing an aero bottle set for the seat tube and down tube... and maybe possibly something for the cockpit.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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You don’t have a bike problem. Not having bikes is a bike problem!

Both generations of Speed Concept are still up there aero wise. I still like my 1st gen. I even like the cable routing, once it got Di2. Hiding the control box in the stem was cool.

Some sort of in frame storage/bottle might be a good idea until Gen3 comes around.

I’ve yet to test some of the â€big frame’ creations (the U.K. scene is conservative and radical at the same time). My aesthetic eye doesn’t find beauty in everything new out there and on the way though.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
...

The Speed Concept is a hell of a bike. I’d argue that it’s the current king of the TT bikes (shared with the P5). Trek could get a lot of additional life out of the Speed Concept by simply developing an aero bottle set for the seat tube and down tube... and maybe possibly something for the cockpit.

Did yours ever develop the issue with the bottom bracket no longer holding the standard bearings tight?? Mine did. I hated the fact that I could not use any type of aftermarket BB with it. I otherwise loved the bike. But the BB was what made me go with a different brand this time around (Felt).
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
Staer wrote:
lol


Despite the last few pages being focused on Specialized, this is not a thread about Specialized.
That's the Pinarello.




As usual Wurf is not riding the Pinarello Bolide Tri with the original Pinarello stem and handlebar.
Just like the "old" Shiv it will be possible to have a storage box in the frame where Cam is currently having his bottles.

To me the Pinarello is clearly better looking but it seems not to have any integrated hydration system. The Shiv does have it but it comes with some "unusual" design.

Which one would you prefer: Pinarello Bolide Tri vs S-Works Shiv Disc???

Looks so much like a Specialized transition as others have said. Albeit a very expensive one.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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No, I’m still on the original bottom bracket bearings. If/when I do have to replace it I’ll go to GXP and Enduro bearings. However I agree with you in general: the biggest flaw of the Speed Concept is BB90.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
No, I’m still on the original bottom bracket bearings. If/when I do have to replace it I’ll go to GXP and Enduro bearings. However I agree with you in general: the biggest flaw of the Speed Concept is BB90.

The whole bike industry should be beat up for the 75 bottom bracket standards that are out there now.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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SuperDave wrote:
I had a similar idea for hydration delivery but it sucked.
-SD

That's a blow.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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its funny, mine lasted 4 years...dunno if thats the going rate.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
And yet no pictures were taken then, kinda proving my point. Big difference between riding a bike outside and a scheduled photoshoot.

There are pictures. Just google it.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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The S-Works Shiv Disc can now also be found on their website.
Only the picture of it is still to add.

https://www.specialized.com/de/en/s-works-shiv-disc/p/154590?color=240113-154590


So it seems like they are really going to launch it today or tomorrow.
I like that it comes with the S-Works Powermeter by default but I guess that won´t make it any cheaper.
"S-Works Power Cranks, dual-sided power measurement, +/- 1.5% accuracy"
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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The only thing I'm confused about is their description of their "fuel" storage. They seem to say it's on the down tube if I'm reading that correctly? Also "flat kit or Di2 junction box"? Hmmm...
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
No, I’m still on the original bottom bracket bearings. If/when I do have to replace it I’ll go to GXP and Enduro bearings. However I agree with you in general: the biggest flaw of the Speed Concept is BB90.

The whole bike industry should be beat up for the 75 bottom bracket standards that are out there now.

+400. I don't really see any improvement over the original threaded BB in any of the new designs. Marginal weight savings or stiffness gains are pretty irrelevant at 300 watts on any coarse I would ride a TT /Tri bike on. Maybe Griepel gets a boost from increased BB stiffness, but kinda irrelevant for TTs
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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I can’t disagree with either of you. We never needed to go beyond a 24mm axle with a 68mm wide bearing stance and, no, I don’t think one could extend this argument to friction shifters and 8 Speed cassettes. Here’s where my stance on BBs is controversial though: I think SRAM nailed it with GXP. They just sabatoged themselves in its early days by using really substandard bearings.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
The S-Works Shiv Disc can now also be found on their website.
Only the picture of it is still to add.

https://www.specialized.com/de/en/s-works-shiv-disc/p/154590?color=240113-154590


So it seems like they are really going to launch it today or tomorrow.
I like that it comes with the S-Works Powermeter by default but I guess that won´t make it any cheaper.
"S-Works Power Cranks, dual-sided power measurement, +/- 1.5% accuracy"

Cool that is comes with a PM, but 172,5 mm in size M and L..........just too long.

Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [TRIPRO] [ In reply to ]
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His a total shot in the dark, but, this “secret Felt bike” looks to have disc brakes on it. It is blurred, but, pause this YT video around 0:49 and see what you think. I see a silver disc with black in the middle, which would possibly be the Dura Ace hydraulic disc brake setup.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
The only thing I'm confused about is their description of their "fuel" storage. They seem to say it's on the down tube if I'm reading that correctly? Also "flat kit
or Di2 junction box"? Hmmm...


Hey guys, there is a new Forum Post on the new Shiv Disc 2019 with official pictures.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/S-WORKS_SHIV_DISC_2019_IS_HERE_P6756503/?page=unread#unread


Please find all information aboutn the new Shiv there :)


BTW:
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like Quintana Roo is releasing a new bike all together. There I was, perusing My BIke Store, and found this. The new QR PRFour! https://mybikeshop.com/...-prfour-105-mix.html
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [CarbonPothole] [ In reply to ]
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CarbonPothole wrote:
Looks like Quintana Roo is releasing a new bike all together. There I was, perusing My BIke Store, and found this. The new QR PRFour! https://mybikeshop.com/...-prfour-105-mix.html


Now this is interesting to me. To heck with all the $10,000+ (or $21,000 for the new shiv) superbikes being released right now...

Looks similar to PR5 with standard front end, frame shape looks same, has the Shift technology it seems...basically a PR3 with discs? Then why call it PR4?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [CarbonPothole] [ In reply to ]
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CarbonPothole wrote:
Looks like Quintana Roo is releasing a new bike all together. There I was, perusing My BIke Store, and found this. The new QR PRFour! https://mybikeshop.com/...-prfour-105-mix.html

I'm struggling to understand the diff between this and the PR3?

In comparing the specs on the site, it literally looks like they copied and pasted the PR3 except changed the tires...
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [blayze] [ In reply to ]
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The Pinarello Bolide TR+ was just released, looks good! Maybe lacking a bit of storage for tubes and co2 assuming that's hydration on down/seattube?

https://www.instagram.com/...;igshid=vmja7agbzy7o
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Tri_Joeri] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like a new colourway for the 2019 Speedmax CF SLX (grabbed from Canyon's social media:

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [blayze] [ In reply to ]
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blayze wrote:
CarbonPothole wrote:
Looks like Quintana Roo is releasing a new bike all together. There I was, perusing My BIke Store, and found this. The new QR PRFour! https://mybikeshop.com/...-prfour-105-mix.html

I'm struggling to understand the diff between this and the PR3?

In comparing the specs on the site, it literally looks like they copied and pasted the PR3 except changed the tires...
The PR3 doesn’t have that big chainstay on the non-drive side vs. the PR4 does based on the 1 picture... other than that...
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [KaitoYamaro] [ In reply to ]
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Yes I think it is a new paint for the SLX. I also heard that there might be some cockpit adjustments. The bar might be quite narrow for the 2019 model.

Speaking of new paint jobs, Scott just released the Plasma in a Kienle Edition:
https://www.scott-sports.com/global/de/product/scott-plasma-premium-kienle-edition-rahmenset-rahmenset


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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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That paint job is nice. Both McKenzie paint jobs are HOT.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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That’s a very classy color scheme on the Plasma. I’ve always liked that bike.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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Because it has the beefier stay from the PR5/PR6 plus the disc brakes. It pulls the 105 group onto the better frame.

That's a fucking steal.

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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Chris_Mint wrote:
Yes I think it is a new paint for the SLX. I also heard that there might be some cockpit adjustments. The bar might be quite narrow for the 2019 model.



Contacted Canyon on the topic of the supposed new cockpit, because I basically just ordered a SLX, and they said nothing has changed for the tri version. The only thing that has changed is the TT version
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Fusion] [ In reply to ]
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Fusion wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
Yes I think it is a new paint for the SLX. I also heard that there might be some cockpit adjustments. The bar might be quite narrow for the 2019 model.





Contacted Canyon on the topic of the supposed new cockpit, because I basically just ordered a SLX, and they said nothing has changed for the tri version. The only thing that has changed is the TT version


I'm in the same boat. I'm afraid what they told you simply isn't true. The new versions are already for sale with new pictures and a completely different model base bar. Basebar config fis as follows:

Speedmax CF SLX 9.0 TT = CANYON CANYON H33 CF AERO
New Speedmax CF SLX = CANYON HB48 BASEBAR CF FLAT
Old Speedmax CF SLX = CANYON H26 CF BASEBAR


https://www.canyon.com/...dmax-cf-slx-8-0.html
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [benb] [ In reply to ]
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benb wrote:
Fusion wrote:
Chris_Mint wrote:
Yes I think it is a new paint for the SLX. I also heard that there might be some cockpit adjustments. The bar might be quite narrow for the 2019 model.





Contacted Canyon on the topic of the supposed new cockpit, because I basically just ordered a SLX, and they said nothing has changed for the tri version. The only thing that has changed is the TT version


I'm in the same boat. I'm afraid what they told you simply isn't true. The new versions are already for sale with new pictures and a completely different model base bar. Basebar config fis as follows:

Speedmax CF SLX 9.0 TT = CANYON CANYON H33 CF AERO
New Speedmax CF SLX = CANYON HB48 BASEBAR CF FLAT
Old Speedmax CF SLX = CANYON H26 CF BASEBAR


https://www.canyon.com/...dmax-cf-slx-8-0.html

Meh, still got a 300euro discount on the 2018 model. I'm not complaining
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [Chris_Mint] [ In reply to ]
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [colnagoguy] [ In reply to ]
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We beat that thing up too. Again the fork is intriguing but...it's kind of funky.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [colnagoguy] [ In reply to ]
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Here’s one for you colnagoguy...nothing to special about it other than the name for those with brand loyalty
https://www.colnago.com/en/bikes/k-one/
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [mike s] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks! Raced on Colnago 25-30 years ago ... now it's other brands I ride on (but with a homage to the old brand):
http://sv.tinypic.com/...amp;s=9#.W8DCaS-ov_Q
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [colnagoguy] [ In reply to ]
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Nice with the Saronni paint scheme!
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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We beat that thing up too. Again the fork is intriguing but...it's kind of funky.

having now seen that in person, it's ugly AF. it has no redeeming qualities whatsoever other than being a clickbait gimmick.
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
We beat that thing up too. Again the fork is intriguing but...it's kind of funky.


having now seen that in person, it's ugly AF. it has no redeeming qualities whatsoever other than being a clickbait gimmick.

Is the drastically reduced frontal area and more aero leading edge (compared to a round tire) not redeeming?
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Re: NEW TRI BIKES 2019 // Felt, Pinarello, Cervelo, Specialized, Scott, Canyon [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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Well that makes Specialized and CEEPO peas in a pod.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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