If you were to choose just one wheelset for all types of racing (TT, crits, hills, flat etc...) what would you choose and why?
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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404 + 808 firecrest carbon clinchers or the comparable from Flo or Hed.
Shallow enough up front deep enough to handle is all types of winds, stabilizing rear.
Shallow enough up front deep enough to handle is all types of winds, stabilizing rear.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Zipp 404s or similar depth for me. Also with a $100 wheel cover, even if it isn't exactly in the spirit of the question you asked.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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808/jet9/flo 6 rear (or similar)
404/jet6/flo 6 front (or similar)
Because that would be the fastest wheelset allowed in all types of racing 99.9999999999999999999% of the time that also is almost never going to bother you in bad crosswinds
then bring a wheelcover for tts
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404/jet6/flo 6 front (or similar)
Because that would be the fastest wheelset allowed in all types of racing 99.9999999999999999999% of the time that also is almost never going to bother you in bad crosswinds
then bring a wheelcover for tts
Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Enve 3.4. Light enough for quick acceleration and hill climbs and more aero than deeper non torroidal rims. If you want deeper, go 6.7, but my first choice would be 3.4.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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HED Jet 4 or Zipp 303. You get the benefit of an aero wheel but the versatility to cover crits, hills, and all conditions.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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I'm a smaller/lighter guy...I would opt for the 303/404 combo. I have a set of 303 and 404 tubulars. I'll throw the 303 up front if its really windy out. Not sure I really want to be spinning that 808 out of each corner in a crit. More of a spinner vs a masher.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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202/404 because I am primarily a road racer that likes climbing. Getting down the mountain is just as important as getting up and I descend faster (confidence) on the shallow front.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [CTwhippet]
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Enve 3.4. Light enough for quick acceleration and hill climbs and more aero than deeper non torroidal rims. If you want deeper, go 6.7, but my first choice would be 3.4.deeper wheels accelerate quicker too! =)
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [S2ipp]
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ok I see its time to link Tom's wheel inertia article again:
http://www.slowtwitch.com/...nd_Inertia_2106.html
an 808 will generally take less energy to spin up in a bike race than a 303
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http://www.slowtwitch.com/...nd_Inertia_2106.html
an 808 will generally take less energy to spin up in a bike race than a 303
Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [jackmott]
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I knew I would get a comment on that one, but couldn't recall the physics to know whether the aero advantage of the 6.7 would overcome the lower moment of inertia of the 3.4. Overall, just too ignorant on this physics stuff and look for others to interpret for me.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [CTwhippet]
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CTwhippet wrote:
I knew I would get a comment on that one, but couldn't recall the physics to know whether the aero advantage of the 6.7 would overcome the lower moment of inertia of the 3.4. Overall, just too ignorant on this physics stuff and look for others to interpret for me.it does!
its sort of a bike racing collective cognitive dissonance that crit racers 'know' they need light wheels but match sprinters 'know' they need disc wheels, isn't it?
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [CTwhippet]
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Could be in my head...but the demo pair of 88mm Novatecs "felt" like they were more work than my 404's. The Novatec 88's were clinchers on 21c Spesh turbo vs my 404 FC tubs with 23c Vittoria.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [S2ipp]
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S2ipp wrote:
Could be in my head...but the demo pair of 88mm Novatecs "felt" like they were more work than my 404's. The Novatec 88's were clinchers on 21c Spesh turbo vs my 404 FC tubs with 23c Vittoria.Might have been, the 404 is probably more aero AND lighteR! haha
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [jackmott]
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Lol...those Novatecs felt like I was rolling through mud. Maybe I just didn't air them up enough. :p
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [S2ipp]
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S2ipp wrote:
Lol...those Novatecs felt like I was rolling through mud. Maybe I just didn't air them up enough. :palways be sure to compare wheels with the same tire too.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [CTwhippet]
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CTwhippet wrote:
Enve 3.4. Light enough for quick acceleration and hill climbs and more aero than deeper non torroidal rims. If you want deeper, go 6.7, but my first choice would be 3.4.x2, except I'd take the 6.7s I have some Hed Jets (90s), Zipp 404s and Enve 65's and the Enves are my fav overall (aero, weight, stiffness). They are awesome in crits, holding speed great, stiff as hell chattering through bumpy corners.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Assuming that money is no object, Enve 6.7s with any hub you like.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [S2ipp]
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It's definitely in your head. Anyone who tells you they can feel stuff like that is full of shit. Same with BB flex/fork flex/spoke flex under acceleration. To discern stuff like that you have to eliminate so many other variables that it becomes ridiculous to even make such a claim.
The difference in energy required to accelerate a 404 vs an 808 is SO small compared to the energy expended in accelerating the average triathlete up to speed. During the course of accelerating I'd venture to say that the drag changes due to the position shifts/changes of the cyclist has at least a 2-3x greater effect on power required than the switch from a 404 to 808 does.
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The difference in energy required to accelerate a 404 vs an 808 is SO small compared to the energy expended in accelerating the average triathlete up to speed. During the course of accelerating I'd venture to say that the drag changes due to the position shifts/changes of the cyclist has at least a 2-3x greater effect on power required than the switch from a 404 to 808 does.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [ZackC.]
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I ran the 404/808 (tubular) setup for several years, and maybe it was in my head, but I just didn't like the feel of the 808 rear in criteriums. Maybe it was just the sound that it made, or maybe there was something more to it, but it felt like that wheel was going to slide out on me on tight courses. (and I don't use crazy high pressure in the tires.) I fully recognize that it may be in my head ... but I figure that's important enough -- if you're not feeling comfortable then you're not going to ride well.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [BrianB]
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Plus I think 808s look funny on most road bikes. So that has got to count for something.
I like the 303. Says you're trying to be aero, but not trying TOO hard. Any deeper and it looks like you're trying to steal speed.
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I like the 303. Says you're trying to be aero, but not trying TOO hard. Any deeper and it looks like you're trying to steal speed.
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [kjmcawesome]
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it certainly isn't giving up much to have a 404ish wheel on the rear instead of an 808
especially with the new firecresty wheels. The gap seems to be much less between the deep and semi deep.
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especially with the new firecresty wheels. The gap seems to be much less between the deep and semi deep.
Kat Hunter reports on the San Dimas Stage Race from inside the GC winning team
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [jackmott]
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Why must all the greats be so pricey!
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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trithink wrote:
If you were to choose just one wheelset for all types of racing (TT, crits, hills, flat etc...) what would you choose and why?
~50mm carbon clinchers.
e.g.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [thekonas]
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thekonas wrote:
Why must all the greats be so pricey!These aren't so bad...http://www.bontrager.com/model/09776
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [Tom A.]
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Tom A. wrote:
thekonas wrote:
Why must all the greats be so pricey!These aren't so bad...http://www.bontrager.com/model/09776
Thanks! I'll have to look into those :)
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [gtingley]
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gtingley wrote:
trithink wrote:
If you were to choose just one wheelset for all types of racing (TT, crits, hills, flat etc...) what would you choose and why?
~50mm carbon clinchers.
e.g.
Except those aren't carbon clinchers. :D
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [BrianB]
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Oh I'm not talking about 404's depth wheels. I'm talking about the $1000 wheelsets with no rim depth and mediocre weight. Why pay a grand for a 1500 or 1600g wheelset with no aero benefits?
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [Tom A.]
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...anything in the 40mm depth range, tubs or clincher....you run the risk of being an SUV though...ok at everything but not great at anything....
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Zipp 404s period. Tim
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [ryantaylor]
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ryantaylor wrote:
...anything in the 40mm depth range, tubs or clincher....you run the risk of being an SUV though...ok at everything but not great at anything....Those are 50mm...and, like the rest of the D3 designs, they apparently "punch above their weight class" and perform more like other designs that are up to 10mm deeper.
So, I guess I'm not exactly sure what you were getting at...
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Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Enve 6.7s... That is what I went with... I'll grab a disc cover to go with them but they are fast. They feel faster than the FC808's I rode last year but I haven't spent enough time on them outside. I know the 808's test faster but I really love the feel of the 6.7s.
Re: The best all around wheelset for all types of racing? [trithink]
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Zipp 303 firecrest
Combination of 404 & 808 will be the best IMO.