Earlier in the thread you jumped all over slowman for him suggesting that Lionel has one of the top resumes in long course tri. Slowman did not say he has the best, he simply said one of the best. Then you layered your bar for what one of the best means which was not part of slowman's criteria. Subsequently you called people on this thread clowns and have called Lionel a clown. I think it is perfectly fine to say what your criteria is and it is not disrespectful to Kienle, Frodeno or Lange who are the only ones who have have won Kona since Lionel became a pro.

Iden in my criteria does not factor in yet,, just like Michael Ralaert or Jodi Simpson did not. None have done anything in 140.6. That's my criteria, and it may not be that of others. In my view of long course racing you don't factor into the long course greats until you have wins at 140.6. This is the bar that Mark Allen had to cross to be considered in the long course greats conversation. Until then he was a guy who could win everything at every other distance but failed 6 times at Ironman.