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Re: Official ITU discussion thread... [Trauma]
Trauma wrote:
juanillo wrote:
Trauma wrote:
I'd be surprised if USAT announces before the 16th, since that is when the National Federation slot allocations become official, after the close of the qualification period.

I hadn't seen that Sophie Coldwell was announced as the reserve, but she's the obvious pick for GB as back-up, not only because she could help Learmonth and/or GTB establish a swim breakaway, but she's also arguably GB's best MTR/Super Sprint racer.

I think your 3rd ladies spot for USAT is between Spivey & KZ (Kasper is a dark horse, although honestly if recency bias comes into play, my picks would be Spivey, KK as first alternate and KZ as second alternate, but looking at podium potential, I might go KZ, TK & KK in that order). For the guys it's more of a crap shoot. Pearson is in, and I can't honestly see McElroy not being in, meaning the 3rd slot (if they secure it) is between Hemming, McDowell and Kanute (2-3 years ago, I would have said Kanute, but right now I'd say it's hard not to pick Hemming, and McDowell is likely your 1st alternate).

I suspect late next week, we'll have a much better sense of the starting grid for the OG, once they finalize the slots by country, then the fun will start with many announcements and appeals...


Given that triathlon is not like track and field that you can get the spot by beating a stablished cut-time, I think the spots should be given to the ones that earn them. E.g. Mo Farah gets his spot, ...he will do his own race whenever he is qualified for. So, triathlon, as an individual sport, should work in the same way. I cannot imagine any brittish in the 10.000m final in the olympics pacing for Farah...but yes, triathlon federations need the funding, that why this thing about the discretional spots is crap IMO. Tom Bishop was kind of pushed to earn the spot for AB.... now that Mr Brownlee is injured and had a terrible race in Leeds, I dont see Bishop in the Huatulco start list, even he could be the 3rd spot for himself f he gets into the podium....
AB was racing MD and LD? well man, you cannot do everything and its not fair for the ones that earn the spot for their home country (e.g. Sam Ward has been replaced by Reid...just unbelievable)


I don't disagree with your logic, but precedent shows otherwise, and many countries have instead made team picks for domestiques to support a medal contender, rather than someone who might crack the top 30, but earned the slot. This is why they added in that top 140 on Olympic ranking rule, to at least put a minimum bar for anyone being selected. This year that's further exacerbated by the presence of the MTR, because some countries earned their second slot through the MTR rankings, and the athletes who were part of that, may or may not be in your top 2 or 3 on the individual ranking. The US is a good example here, if you look at the MTR series through which USAT guaranteed a second male spot, it was largely Kanute & McDowell along with McElroy who earned that berth for USAT, so I get while a third slot might be earned by Hemming holding on to a top 30 ranking, there's still a valid argument for the others as having helped to earn spots for the country. Outside of the top 140 rule, each NF is left to determine their selection criteria, so it was performance at certain races, some it was combination of results, others it was ranking, and others had discretionary picks, and many were some combination of the above. Especially countries with less shot at the individual titles that had a better medal shot in the MTR, it might make more sense for the country to make their picks with that in mind (the relay arguably has introduced more selection shenanigans than the domestique strategy, which GB has famously botched on numerous occasions, and possibly one of the few times it was successfully executed in the OG was Colin Jenkins being selected to domestique for Simon Whitfield).

Bishop had raced so much to try and move up the rankings, with Ali throwing in the towel, and needing 30 hours of travel for a 5th consecutive race weekend and needing a podium and help to get a 3rd slot for GB, he made the decision for his health to drop out of Huatulco.

You'll get no argument from me on merit based selection, but unfortunately international sport is inherently political... and that will always impact selection. Especially where medals/medal potential drives government and sponsor funding for programs, federations are going to engage in some of these shenanigans in order to chase that.


I know i know. Stuart Hayes raced in London 12 as a domestique for the brothers. Gomez was not picked in 2004 despite being U23 world champion in 2003 and 7th in 2004 worlds because the spanish federation selected a domestique for Ivan Raña...but we are seeing less of this stuff. I sometimes just dont see complete fairness in the sport.
Guy A, good swim bike and run
Guy B, bad swim, normal bike good run. He can have a domestique and guy A and guy B can be side to side at the beginning of the 10k. does guy B, beating guy A in a sprint , deserve it? is he better? what happens in the non draft racing? is it more fair?

Spaniard. Sorry for my english for the sensitive ones :P
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