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Re: Finally got to .17 CdA with MorfTech bars [orbis]
orbis wrote:
Mmm...purely from a theoretical perspective, the more mass you have the more force is transmitted to the pedals. There is a point where the torque applied to the pedals is less than the force you can generate solely by being you, which is your mass x g, or in other words, your weight. Peddling up to this point you can turn the pedals without a problem, even without your hands in the handlebars. But, if resistance increases, you will need to increase the force to the pedals. Since the acceleration of gravity is constant, the only way to turn the pedals is by increasing your mass, which you can do by pushing your handlebars up (thus causing an inverse reaction of the same magnitude, expressed as an increase of mass).
Anyways, your biceps are not in a good region of the force-length curve, or the length-tension curve. So, you push less, so you have less mass and thus less force going through the pedals, which equates to less power output.

But of course this is a theoretical exercise. In fact reading back, I got confused with my own words, but I swear it did make sense at some point in my head.

No

I presume you're trying to say that max torque without exerting an upward load on the bars = mgL?
[with m = rider mass, g = acceleration due to gravity and L= crank arm length]

Well, assuming a rider weight of 75kg, a crank length of 155mm, and a cadence of 90RPM, I make that 1075W. Quick calculation so feel free to correct me if I've gone wrong somewhere. But, if that's correct, I think it would be just enough for most time trials, don't you?
[[ Edit: Nevertheless - I don't consider this a useful calculation for several reasons. Among them the fact it assumes a consistent torque that's due entirely to weight. This can't be the case since gravity doesn't follow the pedal around the stroke! ]]

Also, you seem to be blurring the lines between mass, force, torque, acceleration and power. These all have specific meanings. You can't increase mass by applying force. Pedal force is not torque, or power. You must multiply it by the crank length for torque and also by the angular velocity if you want power.

I don't know what a force-length curve or length-tension curve is. length of what? tension of what?
Last edited by: Ai_1: Oct 23, 18 8:44

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