rmt wrote:
Herbert wrote:
Based on TheStroBro's argument I guess doping is not cheating either - because there is a penalty. WTFI think the point Strobro is trying to make, and I'm not convinced I agree though I can see his argument, is better expressed through an analogy to basketball:
If you make contact with a player whilst he is shooting, you have committed a penalty, and a penalty shot is awarded. Although that contact is not allowed it is viewed as a strategic part of the game, and certainly isn't considered to be cheating. However, grab hold of the player whilst he is shooting and push him over whilst he is shooting and you are ejected from the court (for cheating?). I think Strobro is saying that since we punish drafting with a penalty of 5 mins, not ejection/DQ/etc then drafting is analogous to making contact with a player whilst shooting. Is that cheating - I think that's a moral call that everyone is entitled to make their own decision on.
I think the NHL and Ice Hockey break infractions down the best:
- Minor penalties - Ironman equivalent of the yellow card, 30 seconds in the sin bin. Examples: Blocking, charging, obstruction, helmet not worn properly, and mounting the bike before the mount line.
- Major penalties - Ironman equivalent of the blue card, 5 mins in the sin bin. Examples: The drafting violations on the bike.
- Game misconduct penalties/ Misconduct penalties - Ironman equivalent of a red card or a minor penalty or disqualification. These are at the discretion of the officials sometimes and sometimes are a hard penalty. Examples: Course cutting, abuse of an official.
- Match penalties/Gross misconduct penalty - Ironman equivalent of a DQ plus additional suspension. Examples: Tampering with someones bike equipment could lead to something like this as you are causing serious potential harm. Racing drunk.
- Substance abuse violations/Suspension: Ironman equivalent is exactly reflective of what the NHL does, suspension: Examples: Doping, substance abuse.
We should look at each infraction on the level of what it is. I don't think worse of Sidney Crosby becasue he got a slashing minor or fighting major. I would think less of him if he got a game misconduct for boarding...depending on how it went down. If he received a match penalty for biting or received a gross misconduct penalty for showing up to a game drunk...I would be very disappointed in him. Substance abuse is a personal issue that I would hope he could find help for...doping, this is asterisk territory.
EDIT: USA Hockey Level 4 certified coach (Lifetime level)