Grill wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Grill wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
Grill wrote:
so my ascertain that mine is faster with everything else being equal is hardly baseless.Kind of is a bit. Which was my point.
How?
Because you are basing one against another without knowing the figures for another. If you're discussing scientific findings then I think most would consider a protocol that completely ignores the value of 50% of your subject matter (one vs another) as somewhat lacking.
Maybe you just don't know what the word ascertain means?
Errr... no. Frame drag is a very small part of overall CdA, and good bar and/or front wheel choice more than make for the difference between them (it's no accident the P4 was tested with the Ventus or the P5 with the Aduro). Just take a look at Dimond's own data when you you put a rider on the bike, all those gains magically disappear! Plus based on how it performs against a poorly configured P5, it's easy for me to extrapolate how it will perform against my bike.
So you don't know what ascertain means.
I am not saying it's quicker. I wasn't even responding to your post. I was responding flippantly to someone else. I couldn't give a shit if the Plasma is two farts faster than a Cervelo and I know any gains on frame are going to be obliterated by bike fit and whatever else .... which is why I don't give a shit.
You could categorically tell me (categorically, having actually ascertained) that the Plasma is the fastest and I would have believed you and then I would still have sold it because I wanted to ride another bike and at the end of the day me wanting to ride a bike is more important, and will likely gain me better results, than spending all day reading a white paper.
My flippant point was, until you know then you don't actually know. You can guess, you can extrapolate, or you can say 'the chances are very high that' ... but you don't know. If you went and ascertained, as you said you had, then you would know. If you do actually find out then I would be interested. Wouldn't affect my bike choice though.
I know you may find it stupid that I don't care much about that kind of thing, and maybe it is. But I don't. I want to ride a Canyon too, I might give them a go one day. I will not be told what I like and don't like by a wind tunnel.
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