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Re: Triathlon bike test in Europe – Scott Plasma 2 won, Cervélo and Specialized canceled [Andrew Coggan]
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Just to pick a nit and maybe make things more clear (or muddy Smile) I think this should be slightly rephrased:

There is always a substantial bike/rider interaction effect.

I am not aware of any evidence to support that claim. (Indeed, since it is hard to assume a cyclist's posture without actually sitting on a bike, I'm not sure exactly how you would go about testing that hypothesis...although the fact that the drag of downhill skiers in a crouched racing position is comparable to that of a cyclist certainly implies that it isn't true.)

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I'd suggest with only pure eyeball speculation that maybe some other "odd" frames could have different rider/bike interaction effects, like the BP Stealth and possibly Zipp, Titanflex or Softride too. But with no tunnel data to back it up that's pure SWAG speculation.

Older designs such as the Lotus, Zipp, Softride, etc., were often included in wind tunnel tests, but again, only the Trimble showed clear-cut evidence of an interaction effect.
All you need to do is look at some smoke trail photos to see that the rider has a significant effect on the air movement around the bike tubes. When your calf is rotating around and knees 1/4" from the top tube there is indisputably an interaction. I don't think this point is in dispute, just that it isn't substantially different from frame to frame. Thanks for the info about the other odd frames, I wasn't aware that they were included in the same sort of testing as the Trimble.

Edit: Actually I think you probably could attempt a test like that, but it would require a pretty big investment in welding and machining. Simply set up the three points (seat, cranks and armrests) with a space frame that is very far from the rider. Then test the same rider in the same position on the actual bike...and the bike solo. As long as you keep the support structure for the "fake" bike frame far from the rider it would be functionally similar and might be a "good enough" approximation to see if there were significant differences.


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Last edited by: triguy42: Mar 13, 09 9:48

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  • Post edited by triguy42 (Dawson Saddle) on Mar 13, 09 9:48