" If he had been at the finish he would not have been at the start. He made his assessment by what he observed, in part by riding out with him and then watching him easily ride away. He thought he most likely did it in the time claimed"
I agree, he would have had to ride as fast or faster than Joaquin, he could not, either could I. He made an assessment, but THAT IS NOT DATA. He thinks Joaquin is a good rider, especially against his ability, I would and DO think the same. But that doesn't make the claims you and Joaquin have made true.
"The only fact here is he was there, you were not."
I was not, either were you. But that is NOT the only fact.
"No, they didn't witness what you wanted them to witness. He witnessed plenty and made his assessment. You, of course, are free to disagree"
Plenty is a relative term. In this case, plenty for you is NOT plenty for me. I've witnessed plenty of people ride away from me, that means nothing for them other than the fact that they're faster than me. It certainly does not prove their power or explain a file like this one.
"Ugh, you may not have used the word fraud, but you have certainly implied it. If you have not implied it tell my what you have been implying as to the intent of the person you believed manipulated this file"
YOU CAN NOT QUOTE SOMETHING I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IMPLIED. And acting like a pre-teen girl with your "ugh" doesn't make me pity you. All I have implied to this point is that this file is either corrupt, manipulated, or both. By who, I don't know and don't claim to know.
"It is not my duty to prove marketing claims"
Um, then whose duty is it? Oh yeah, THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIMS.
"Show my one other product in this field that has scientific proof of their marketing claims. At least a study is soon to be underway that might let me "prove" what I have been saying all along or cause me to revise my claims"
Anyone else making those claims should prove them as well! I'm not just saying you should, everyone should have proof to their claims before making them. I know I was taught in school not to claim something until I could prove it. As for the study that is soon to be underway....good! Can we know anything about this study?
"Only if you want to. :-)"
NO!!!!!!!!!!
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"Lemond is cycling's version of Rev Jessie Jackson." -johnnyperu 5/18/07
"Just because I suck doesn't mean my bike has to" -rickn 9/2/08
I agree, he would have had to ride as fast or faster than Joaquin, he could not, either could I. He made an assessment, but THAT IS NOT DATA. He thinks Joaquin is a good rider, especially against his ability, I would and DO think the same. But that doesn't make the claims you and Joaquin have made true.
"The only fact here is he was there, you were not."
I was not, either were you. But that is NOT the only fact.
"No, they didn't witness what you wanted them to witness. He witnessed plenty and made his assessment. You, of course, are free to disagree"
Plenty is a relative term. In this case, plenty for you is NOT plenty for me. I've witnessed plenty of people ride away from me, that means nothing for them other than the fact that they're faster than me. It certainly does not prove their power or explain a file like this one.
"Ugh, you may not have used the word fraud, but you have certainly implied it. If you have not implied it tell my what you have been implying as to the intent of the person you believed manipulated this file"
YOU CAN NOT QUOTE SOMETHING I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IMPLIED. And acting like a pre-teen girl with your "ugh" doesn't make me pity you. All I have implied to this point is that this file is either corrupt, manipulated, or both. By who, I don't know and don't claim to know.
"It is not my duty to prove marketing claims"
Um, then whose duty is it? Oh yeah, THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIMS.
"Show my one other product in this field that has scientific proof of their marketing claims. At least a study is soon to be underway that might let me "prove" what I have been saying all along or cause me to revise my claims"
Anyone else making those claims should prove them as well! I'm not just saying you should, everyone should have proof to their claims before making them. I know I was taught in school not to claim something until I could prove it. As for the study that is soon to be underway....good! Can we know anything about this study?
"Only if you want to. :-)"
NO!!!!!!!!!!
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"Lemond is cycling's version of Rev Jessie Jackson." -johnnyperu 5/18/07
"Just because I suck doesn't mean my bike has to" -rickn 9/2/08
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