T2. again you make good points, well stated. and, as a fellow old schooler i can identify with you, believe me. these days you can find me racng a singlespeed mtn bike which is itself older than many of the guys i race against! :) ironically, i see PC's as the ultimate old schooler tool. all they do is deliver on the ancient grail of pedalling as completely as you can. take what the crusty old fixed gear riders tell us about fixies - make it actually so thru PC's, and presto old school meets new in a painful eye opening whack of the zen master's stick upside your noggin.
mind you now, i also can see your frustration in thinking everybody is saying the "only way to get fast" or whatever is with them. altho, i do not think anybody is actually saying that. rather, i am saying that these things do, in fact, make a guy better thru incredibly hard work, and there is no drill or technique that will do what they do.
if you do not mind, i might challenge you - what is about enthusiastic positive reports about PC's that gets your goat, as opposed to somebody saying that he has triied something ELSE new and and perhaps controversial and whaddya know it works really good?
having had a set for a couple years now, i can see why and how a guy might not wish to ride them all the time anymore. i don't. i ride them all winter and in sumer i go mtn biking and singlespeeding and fixie riding and just plain ole road riding on my regular crank bike. i use the PC's for tune up rides, you might say. i reckon this is how most experienced users use them after time. i often tell my cycling buddies that they really will want a dedicated PC bike - most cyclists already have a spare anyway . . . . . . . .
finally. the cost. indeed. this appears to be an issue with you as well, and well it should. but again - how much more does a P3 cost over a P2K? about the same as a set of PC's. and yet, if somebody crows about how fast their P3 is, do you likewise take offense and decry the fact that the same guy for 700 dollars less on a p2K could go just as fast, or obtain a similar result thru other means? just askin. :)
anyway, nice discussion. my offer previous stands. put them on, ride daddy ride, and then let's hear if you still think i am wrong when i say that no amount of drills or technique or anything else will do what they do.
mind you now, i also can see your frustration in thinking everybody is saying the "only way to get fast" or whatever is with them. altho, i do not think anybody is actually saying that. rather, i am saying that these things do, in fact, make a guy better thru incredibly hard work, and there is no drill or technique that will do what they do.
if you do not mind, i might challenge you - what is about enthusiastic positive reports about PC's that gets your goat, as opposed to somebody saying that he has triied something ELSE new and and perhaps controversial and whaddya know it works really good?
having had a set for a couple years now, i can see why and how a guy might not wish to ride them all the time anymore. i don't. i ride them all winter and in sumer i go mtn biking and singlespeeding and fixie riding and just plain ole road riding on my regular crank bike. i use the PC's for tune up rides, you might say. i reckon this is how most experienced users use them after time. i often tell my cycling buddies that they really will want a dedicated PC bike - most cyclists already have a spare anyway . . . . . . . .
finally. the cost. indeed. this appears to be an issue with you as well, and well it should. but again - how much more does a P3 cost over a P2K? about the same as a set of PC's. and yet, if somebody crows about how fast their P3 is, do you likewise take offense and decry the fact that the same guy for 700 dollars less on a p2K could go just as fast, or obtain a similar result thru other means? just askin. :)
anyway, nice discussion. my offer previous stands. put them on, ride daddy ride, and then let's hear if you still think i am wrong when i say that no amount of drills or technique or anything else will do what they do.