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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, within ten days of owning them (via eBay, only lost $200 luckily... expensive demo lol). I'm on 404 NSWs now and I'm 99% sure this will be my "one wheel set" going forward especially once I get my super-nifty wheel cover from Australia ;) The braking on the NSWs is really really really good. I need to write up a review but I'd say they're as good as my regular aluminum HED Jets in the wet (though I'm not sure if this would change with sustained braking... not a lot of that around here in CFL) and I actually prefer them to aluminum in the dry. Great modulation and, strangely, I think the audio provides feedback that helps in this regard.

Interesting somewhat related side note: when I was younger, I was one of the first people through the doors of the Titleist Performance Institute in Carlsbad. I went once every two months for a few days of observed practice and occasional experimentation. One of the experiments was to hit putts with noise-canceling headphones on (the type that make it so you can't here anything). Surprisingly neither I, nor anyone else they had through the door (world class pros included), was able to tell what type of a ball we were using while putting (the A/B was a super soft Tour Balata and a super hard "distance whatever"). Take the headphones off and we could tell with near 100% accuracy. What we thought was "feel" was really audio feedback.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
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Once you're inside 10 degrees of yaw you have four courses: be narrow, have proper tube shapes, manage airflow coming off the wheels, and manage airflow around the rider. Consider that a P4 is probably the fastest bike available to fast riders at the moment. That's kind of nuts. Cervelo attempted to manage airflow around the rider with the P5 (that's the purpose of the funky seat tube) and didn't gain much over the P4.
I'm very pleased with the CdA I can achieve on my P4, right around 0.200m2. Nevertheless, my first reaction to the 'OMNI' was: 'I could buy this frameset, finally somerhing that may be better than what I have'.
And then I did the fit calculation... I won't fit!

I guess my 6 year old frame will have to do one more year.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.


I sometimes wonder about these "advancements" in cycling technology are really just ways for people to get around the learning curve, and the bit of time and experience to use stuff properly! :)

Been "modulating" my braking just fine, with rim brakes for years. Never had a problem!


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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Nick,

I just wanted to say congrats! I think a lot of people here on the forum are nit picking. All that crap about the bike being not low and long enough....for those few there is something we call custom. Maybe not as cool as the super bikes, but hey, the way they are put together is not you to blame. They have two others to ' blame' for that 😊

If i weren't a tri-shop owner or if you would consider selling through shops i would order them and ride one. I really like what you did, i think geometry wise to can accomodate a large range of positions and most important i like the looks. Much better than the Ventum.

I also think the integrated hydration is much overrated. Tried several and found no system really great, but never tried the Ventum's system so they may be the exception.

I think you did a great job, love the looks and think i love it as much as my felt ia frd or a dimond in terms of looks.
If you ever expand to distribution or sell through shops don't hesitate to contact me.

Regards and hope you sell enough to get the investment returned and make some on top of that.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I'm not optimistic at all. Why? First there's not much aero fruit left to pick over existing super bikes set up with best practices.

While I'm not keen on the advance of discs into the road arena it's worth noting that from a holistic standpoint the aero factor is not what will make disc bikes faster.
Being able to fit 32mm, low CRR tyres on wide rims that mean there is no major aero penalty compared to current 23mm tyres on 24-25mm rims will make bikes faster.
Of course, the other option would be to redesign rim brakes for wider clearance, but there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for that.


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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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I'm as much a fan of comfort and low crr as the next guy but I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes. At least for the front wheel. I could see going much wider in the rear with the appropriate disc.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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durk onion wrote:
What about the good engineering team designing rim brake bikes?

Who? TriRig? Haha.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.


Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.

Modulation has more to do with being hydraulic than with being rim based.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.

We really haven't. Even with current rims you're better to take the aero hit of a wide tyre to get the CRR benefit.


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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [tri-run] [ In reply to ]
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tri-run wrote:
I also think the integrated hydration is much overrated. Tried several and found no system really great, but never tried the Ventum's system so they may be the exception.

OMGthisisnottheissue.

He's missing a downtube. So therefore missing an entire section of the bike to mount bottle cages. At least ventum considered the impact of removing such an integral area of the bike by incorporating an integrated solution. It's a very practical problem for long course triathletes in racing and training. As has already been detailed elsewhere throughout the thread.

But the Omni has a mount for a silca allen key. So there's that.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.


We really haven't.

x2

I will be picking up a set of these jawns. 25 mm internal width / 30-31 external width(!) If you believe Enve's aero data, they are very fast -- though, by default, I will not buy these bogus numbers because I have a brain.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.


We really haven't. Even with current rims you're better to take the aero hit of a wide tyre to get the CRR benefit.

From the data I've seen, if I go from a 23mm GP TT to a 25mm GP TT I won't pick up anything on the crr front (maybe 0.5w) but I will lose something on the aero front (probably ~1w).

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:

From the data I've seen, if I go from a 23mm GP TT to a 25mm GP TT I won't pick up anything on the crr front (maybe 0.5w) but I will lose something on the aero front (probably ~1w).

I haven't tested GP TT widths. It's poor aerodynamically when narrow so it wouldn't be surprising if it gets even worse when wider than the rim.
Other tyres the overall advantage is definitely with the wider option except in very specific cases.


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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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IPretty ridiculous for training though, no frame mounted bottles which limits the amount you can bring.
There is a set of bottle bosses on the frame just forward of the seatpost clamp. There's another set on the back of the seatpost. That's in addition to the three on the Beta and BTA mount on the Alpha X.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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That's a strangely veiled attempt at flexibility. No regular bottle can go right there unless the rider chops wood like crazy.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
IPretty ridiculous for training though, no frame mounted bottles which limits the amount you can bring.

There is a set of bottle bosses on the frame just forward of the seatpost clamp. There's another set on the back of the seatpost. That's in addition to the three on the Beta and BTA mount on the Alpha X.

Could you detail how a long course athlete might set up this bike for a 100+ mile training ride? And then how same might set up for an actual 112 mile race?

Like, what's your recommended strategy here?

I get not pursuing integrated hydration. But you cant just remove the down tube, a place where two bottles can typically be held, and tell everyone doing long course to pound sand. Or mount a bottle ahead of the seatpost on the top tube? Getting a bottle out of a kappa thats behind my saddle is likely a death trap - so how would I remove one mounted to the back of the seatpost?

These are practical problems that don't appear to have practical solutions.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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don't want to hijack the Omni thread, but I too know how to use rim brakes very well, having raced mtb's with rim brakes, and having a tad bit of skill on the road bike.

That said, disc brakes allow me to ride faster, better, safer, especially when going down double digit grade descents with 30+mph side winds on roads with frost heaves and switch back turns banked for water drainage, not cyclists wanting to bank through a turn. Bring on the discs for road and tri bikes, so that I can descend my tri bike as confidently as my road bike... aerobar brake levers (Shimano, too) drastically decrease the performance of rim brakes, but not hydraulic brakes...

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't he just suggest that the bike can hold 5 water bottles? And, if you go with a rear facing cage behind the front facing cage on the aerobar for a double set up, that's 6 bottles. Who carries more than 6 bottles?

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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Omni has three ideal points for fluid storage. Two behind the saddle and one BTA. If you prefer a different cage, you can certainly swap them - Kappa uses a standard interface, so you could mount any cage you like.

If you need a fourth spot, the frame bosses are there. If a standard bottle is not to your liking, you could use an aero bottle as well. If three standard bottles + one aero bottle does not satisfy your fluid carriage needs, then you are outside what we consider ordinary athletic considerations for a long course athlete, particularly on a supported ride like an Ironman race. Of course, if you insist on five round bottles, then Omni may not be for you.

Storage is meant primarily to be done with the integrated. You could also mount a small saddle bag between your saddle and the Beta carrier, by adjusting Beta rearward. And if that were still not enough, you could use the seatpost bosses for additional storage options.

That is our recommended setup. But there are lots of variants an athlete could choose, given the many boss locations on Omni.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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have you put a standard bottle into a cage mounted on the bosses in front of the seat tube?

if you have, can you please show a video of you riding that setup...from behind? because that would be hilarious.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Getting a bottle out of a kappa thats behind my saddle is likely a death trap

Why?

Matt
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I don't know what the nitpicking is. I imagine triathletes routinely go on 100+ training miles, 100% self-sufficient, in a completely deserted area. I mean, what happened to stopping by a gas station to refill? Does it destroy the session?

I understand that it is inconvenient for some people, but you know what else is inconvenient? Going on 5+hour bike ride on US roads, and triathlon in general. It looks like some people have a bone to pick with the owner of Tririg here, despite an attempt at coming up with some serious bike porn. While I'm set with bikes, I would get that thing just to hang it in my garage.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously, I have raced an IM with two bottle no problem, just keep swapping out at aid stations. And for training I use 3 and plan for refills.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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I've done two IM, 2 bottles on board (including 1000cal nutrition bottle). Each time I had to stop twice to pee. Clearly not had any issues with dehydration. However people are getting upset over training issues, not necessarily racing (and IM racing and training is pretty extreme to begin with, so these "problems" can not be that common). I get it, but it seems way too much whining.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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peanut galleries (i include myself in that group) would nitpick the new cervelo to death i am sure as well. same thing with the IA, 3T Exploro, Cervelo C series, disc brakes in general, Speed Concept owner's thread.... it's just what the internet does.
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