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TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!!
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http://www.tririg.com/store.php?c=omni
Dan's Review: http://www.slowtwitch.com/...as_Arrived_6006.html
Aerogeeks Review: http://aerogeeks.com/...rig-omni-first-look/

Last edited by: PubliusValerius: Sep 13, 16 3:36
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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That is definitely a different fork from anything on the market I'm familiar with. Maybe the new Orbea but the head tube doesn't look right.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Contact-less electromagnetic brakes. Let's go Star Wars, folks. Friction braking is for chumps. And, it has an advanced regenerative option if you want to power your Di battery or recharge a doping motor.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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I hope its a cool set of reading glasses that pic gives me a headache!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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My guess is, it's a bike frame/fork module. Maybe a beam bike?
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Looks at lot like this.



http://www.tririg.com/...OMP_Review&num=5


I wouldn't get too wrapped around that picture.

Suffer Well.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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New TriRig run gear and sunglasses. Can't wait.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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So his biggest project to date (his own words) - but you think he'll just reveal...a bike build from a previous review? Got it.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like a frame pump.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
So his biggest project to date (his own words) - but you think he'll just reveal...a bike build from a previous review? Got it.

Pretty sure he was just implying you shouldn't base your guesses on that pic, since it is of an existing bike.....no?

Whatever it is, I wonder if you have to pay for it a year before it is delivered..
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Probably partnered with Silca and will be releasing an aerodynamic carbon fiber frame pump.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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The other blurred photos ended up being actual products. I'd wager this would be the same.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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All I know is if this thing has one occluded bolt I'm going to throw a fit.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
All I know is if this thing has one occluded bolt I'm going to throw a fit.

x2

No bolt occlusion is a requirement.

Man, making fun of Nick and other high end tri gear peddlers is one of my favorite pastimes.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Probably partnered with Silca and will be releasing an aerodynamic carbon fiber frame pump.

With at least a 20 to 1 virtual airfoil.
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Re: Latest Incredible Product Development That is Likely Overpriced and of Suspect Build Quality [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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haha. prodiginous
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
All I know is if this thing has one occluded bolt I'm going to throw a fit.
I'm just happy that you're talking about bolt occlusion, even if it's mostly (completely?) to poke fun.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going with frame and/or wheels...
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [FatandSlow] [ In reply to ]
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Valve extenders.
And matching bar tape.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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It has to be a frame. I think a fork wouldn't be enough of a big move. Not to mention that fork compatability and aero interaction is frame specific (to many cases to design for).

I reckon it will be a frame along the lines of a super P4. Very thin and low drag in 5-0-5 yaw.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Pantelones] [ In reply to ]
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and now possible uci legal with possible dropping of 3:1 requirements ;)
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Pantelones] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. It wasn't given the name "Omni" by accident. At a minimum, an entire front-end set up, but likely an entire frame set
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Probably partnered with Silca and will be releasing an aerodynamic carbon fiber frame pump.

I bow to your wit. made me spit coffee on the screen.
thank you
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [1xatbandcamp] [ In reply to ]
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1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.

Agreed. The amount of development time for a frame compared to this is huge.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [1xatbandcamp] [ In reply to ]
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1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.

Don't forget whatever it is has a stall angle around 10 degrees and represents a significant savings over some unknown baseline.

tweets.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [1xatbandcamp] [ In reply to ]
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1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.

Yes. Everything or all as in the whole frame set

There's no way he would make such a hype about a Garmin mount and food storage jawn
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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So that's the something big JasoninHalifax and Chainpin are working on.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.

Agreed. The amount of development time for a frame compared to this is huge.

What makes you think he hasn't been working on this for several years? I guarantee the frame has been in the pipeline for quite some time.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [siegfried08] [ In reply to ]
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siegfried08 wrote:
1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.

Don't forget whatever it is has a stall angle around 10 degrees and represents a significant savings over some unknown baseline.

Haha

To be fair the crappy data he was throwing around about the Omega aero savings actually underestimated reality by a factor of 3.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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I guess because he is a one man show, maybe I'm underestimating his ability. I don't know. It could be a frame or it could be an all in one bento, BTA, computer mount. We will know soon!

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Could be an open mold frame equipped with all the tri rig products on it.
Last edited by: mknight84: Sep 2, 16 9:48
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
siegfried08 wrote:
Don't forget whatever it is has a stall angle around 10 degrees and represents a significant savings over some unknown baseline.

Haha

To be fair the crappy data he was throwing around about the Omega aero savings actually underestimated reality by a factor of 3.

I can't believe I left off the rolling eye emoji from my message. Friday failure right there.

🙄

[I mock, but only out of love here.]

tweets.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
wsrobert wrote:
Probably partnered with Silca and will be releasing an aerodynamic carbon fiber frame pump.


With at least a 20 to 1 virtual airfoil.

The extremely truncated "virtual airfoil" claim kills me. There's no way on earth the time-averaged flow pattern on the Alpha X is anything like a complete airfoil.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I'm really excited about who posts the actual "product release" first: BryanD or PubliusValerius?

Publius has been more on point recently, but Bryan has shown longevity in the sport. If it was Tim Carlson making the odds, then it'd be a real whizzbanger!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.


Agreed. The amount of development time for a frame compared to this is huge.

How about an fully integrated front end with integrated bayonet fork? Then he'd only have to accommodate variable head tube heights, ID, OD, interface to down tube, mating with wacky top tube shapes...
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Koz] [ In reply to ]
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I would suspect brake levers, it seems to be a market that is still open for innovation. (Anybody have any aero data on brake levers?)
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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hahahhahaha love it.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Koz] [ In reply to ]
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Koz wrote:
BryanD wrote:
1xatbandcamp wrote:
well Omni means "everything or all" so I think its a hydration/computer mount/food storage piece that integrates with their other offerings.


Agreed. The amount of development time for a frame compared to this is huge.


How about an fully integrated front end with integrated bayonet fork? Then he'd only have to accommodate variable head tube heights, ID, OD, interface to down tube, mating with wacky top tube shapes...

I could see this as a possibility. I could see, potentially, taking the five most popular tri bike frames and figuring out how to accomodate the three most common sizes (25 frames in all).

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like a disc brake rotor to me
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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What are we looking at there?

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I am convinced that it is a frame and fork that integrate all of Nick's components.


AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Ass end of the "bike" that was just posted on FB
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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will this be released before the new cervelo :p

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Last edited by: Anth: Sep 5, 16 13:07
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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Yes -- this is coming out on September 18th, and Cervelo IMO will release their P6 at Kona, along with Cannondale's new disc brake bike.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Yes -- this is coming out on September 18th, and Cervelo IMO will release their P6 at Kona, along with Cannondale's new disc brake bike.
Omni is coming on September 13th, not the 18th ;-) Next Tuesday.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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TriRig wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Yes -- this is coming out on September 18th, and Cervelo IMO will release their P6 at Kona, along with Cannondale's new disc brake bike.

Omni is coming on September 13th, not the 18th ;-) Next Tuesday.

I meant 13th. Sorry, I was texting while rim braking.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
davews09 wrote:
All I know is if this thing has one occluded bolt I'm going to throw a fit.


x2

No bolt occlusion is a requirement.

Man, making fun of Nick and other high end tri gear peddlers is one of my favorite pastimes.

This isn't funny. I lost every race this season due to gratuitous bolt occlusion.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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Anth wrote:
will this be released before the new cervelo :p

a lot of things will be released before the new Cervelo
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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I've taken the day off work. Cleared my schedule. Got all of my social media accounts lined up and cash transferred into my bank account. I've declared next Tuesday, Sep. 13th

OMNI DAY

Hope I'm not disappointed.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [nickwhite] [ In reply to ]
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I hope it is a new frame that will integrate all of Nick's products and that he takes the next step with his products and in the process shows the big manufacturers how to do things better.


AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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BMANX wrote:
I hope it is a new frame that will integrate all of Nick's products and that he takes the next step with his products and in the process shows the big manufacturers how to do things better.

I hope so too. It would be sweet to see him go toe to toe with the big guys.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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kgro wrote:
a lot of things will be released before the new Cervelo

Trump's tax returns
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Trump will be president before Cervelo release anything new.


AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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BMANX wrote:
Trump will be president before Cervelo release anything new.


The Sagrada Familia will be completed
Last edited by: refthimos: Sep 6, 16 9:21
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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And another shot



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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After looking and looking and looking... I've got nothing haha

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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It is not too surprising that cranks create that much of a drag-hot-spot since there is clearly no rider on the bike. I imagine the crank doesn't stand out that much as an issue when you combine the rider+bike since it becomes effectively merged with the leg (which obviously does create a huge amount of drag), and during large portions of the pedal stroke it is hidden from the wind by the lower leg and foot to a large degree.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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Could it be a(n) (aero) crank, that fits all the different bottom brackets? Would fit the name Omni..
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SkippiTT] [ In reply to ]
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That picture is not a crank.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Part of it could be.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SkippiTT] [ In reply to ]
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There is an x,y,z origin sitting there in the crank. Not sure if it means anything.

If the last image means anything, it could be a bike for the Predator.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SkippiTT] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe but I'm not inclined to believe that Nick would stock three SKUs (165mm, 170mm, 175mm) and there's no way he's embedding a power meter in the crank or spider (which many triathletes already have and would be reticent to give up). To me that looks like a 175mm Vision Metron on a relatively small frame.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. Plus the two previous teaser pics did not even show the BB area of a bike.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Ellsworth53T] [ In reply to ]
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Ellsworth53T wrote:
There is an x,y,z origin sitting there in the crank. Not sure if it means anything.

I would probably say that it means that the bottom bracket is frequently taken as the origin for bike coordinates...?

tweets.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [siegfried08] [ In reply to ]
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siegfried08 wrote:
Ellsworth53T wrote:
There is an x,y,z origin sitting there in the crank. Not sure if it means anything.

I would probably say that it means that the bottom bracket is frequently taken as the origin for bike coordinates...?
Probably.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think the omni is a crank either, I was just pointing out that in that drag (?) heat-map, the crank was the obvious hotspot. Perhaps it will just be a front skewer/hub instead ;)
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BudhaSlug] [ In reply to ]
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Just as a clarification.....on Facebook Nick mentioned this was a velocity heat graph. That is different than a drag heat map. The 2 things are obviously related, but the correlation isn't always so obvious.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BudhaSlug] [ In reply to ]
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... With that heat map around the bottom bracket area.... how about a low profile bike motor ?
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Nazgul350r] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't know Andy Coggan's janky AF low speed wind tunnel was capable of outputting such heat maps.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Of course it can... just put a small but powerful computer inside that little wind tunnel and run your CFD aerodynamic modelling on it. Miniature wind tunnels make great computer storage spots... plenty of cooling.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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My prediction: it's a bike.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Tririg actually confirmed on Facebook it was a bike!

Edit: And they deleted their comment on fb.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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I saw that too.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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Twitter post: "It's a bike."

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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pirate_rrob wrote:
Tririg actually confirmed on Facebook it was a bike!

Edit: And they deleted their comment on fb.

Color me impressed if this ends up being the case.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I like Nick and I like TriRig but if it is a bike (previous poster, "Omni means Everything") then I agree; it will be an open mold with every TriRig part bolted on. and where Nick doesn't make it, it will be his preferred brand. and definitely a 1x crank.

which isn't a bad idea for him. He does all those builds. I'm sure he gets requests for personal configurations.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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Who knows, maybe he found a reasonably aero open mold frame and got them to make some modifications upon his request. I really hope two things:

1. It's not 1x only
2. He didn't take it to FASTER (please A2 or San Diego Low Speed... please)

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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pirate_rrob wrote:
Tririg actually confirmed on Facebook it was a bike!

Edit: And they deleted their comment on fb.

Has he started to tweet teasers for the upcoming Omni recall in 6-8 months? Will it be on a part-by-part basis, or will it be the whole unit? Super psyched, either way!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [davetallo] [ In reply to ]
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davetallo wrote:
pirate_rrob wrote:
Tririg actually confirmed on Facebook it was a bike!

Edit: And they deleted their comment on fb.


Has he started to tweet teasers for the upcoming Omni recall in 6-8 months? Will it be on a part-by-part basis, or will it be the whole unit? Super psyched, either way!

Delivery will be 6-8 months, the recall will be later.. ;)
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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no you mean it will be coming soon for 6-8 months then delivery for 6-8 months then the recall.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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He just commented on FB that it will not be open mold. Color me excited.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Nick on Facebook:


TriRig.com
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Open mold? Um, no.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [d_smitty] [ In reply to ]
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So he confirms its a bike but is waiting until next week to reveal? What's the point of waiting? I guess maybe building out the site. But then why start leaking so early?

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
So he confirms its a bike but is waiting until next week to reveal? What's the point of waiting? I guess maybe building out the site. But then why start leaking so early?

You were the 85th comment on this topic and you're asking why?
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't take that as a confirmation of a bike just whatever it is its not open mold. But I would say its more than likely a bike. It just wasn't 100% confirmed.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [mknight84] [ In reply to ]
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No, you must mean that there is an initial 3 month pre-order buy in, then another 6-8 month delay, then parts missing, ...then...

...at the same time that I say this, I'll also say that I've been really happy with everything that I've bought from TriRig (when it eventually came), including the aerobars pads/cups:).

mknight84 wrote:
no you mean it will be coming soon for 6-8 months then delivery for 6-8 months then the recall.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [beston] [ In reply to ]
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It's a bike.

From the Alpha X fit guide......




IF these are the real stack/reach: not long and low as secretly wished. Guess we will see for sure tomorrow.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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So shorter and taller than an IAx

Strike 1 Salazar
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [beston] [ In reply to ]
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I like my brake as well. Just busting some balls.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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Another bike that I won't fit. Sweet!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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"So shorter and taller than an IA"


oh cool he made a penny farthing.

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... an aero penny farthing

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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But, will he have a pro on this set up at this year's Kona?

so some guesses: will only work with 1x (no FD hanger), non-double diamond design, magnet cover for front and rear brake (like the Dimond fork), only accepts a Lightening crankset (ok, you know I'm joking.... but it would be nice to see Nick make a crankset with THM style bb which I like better than Lightening, and a Look style tri-lobe, but instead of 175-172.5-170, make it 167.5, 165, 162.5 in length), an integrated hydration solution, a Ritchy-rail-style saddle clamp, oh yeah: a light frame and uniquely shaped fork

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It will be a double diamond bike.

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OK, I can definitely see him going that route.... but non UCI legal tubing (though, I read UCI is moving away from that 3:1 rule next year). Maybe having the Dash guys make this frame?

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Non-UCI frame shapes are not always faster. It's all about the overall design. We will see the Omni soon though!

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No downtube for sure. Check the latest facebook update.
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Yep, the blurred image shows no downtube

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GreenPlease wrote:
... an aero penny farthing

Doesn't matter if the frame is aero if I'm not!!!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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So shorter and taller than an IAx

Strike 1 Salazar
How long until somebody realises there is now a huge gaping hole in the market for a frame with some reach? OK it won't appeal to eleventy billion M-BOPers who want to sit bold upright so their belly clears their knees but there is literally nobody bar Canyon who makes a long frame now. Past experiences with them have led me to not wish to deal with them ever again.
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Very true. I'm on the short torso long, leg side and I'd still struggle to fit based on the stack/reach I'm seeing. 560/435 for a large? That's the Shiv Tri with 10mm of more reach.

We'll see tomorrow I guess. I'm excited to see what Nick brings to the table.

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Are we looking at a modern remake of an old classic design?



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DOWNTUBES ARE FOR DINOSAURS BROOOOOO
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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Going to have "virtual" airfoils of nothing less than 26:1.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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Not all of these style of bikes can be run on a trainer, right?
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I'll be buying two as soon as they open for the 6-8 month lead time preorder.

One for training and one for racing. They'll both be built with eTap, Lightning cranks, Dash saddles/wheels and aluminum cut from a soda can to ensure my extensions don't slip (i'm not sure he's announced these for sale yet so I'll just make my own for use with Alpha X). They'll just have designated uses.

Probably will buy a third just in case there's issues running it on the trainer.

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ironcode wrote:
Not all of these style of bikes can be run on a trainer, right?

They can -- you just need to buy a Match Rider.
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Not all of these style of bikes can be run on a trainer, right?

A Ventum can be used on any trainer. A Dimond can't be used on regular trainers or a Kickr.

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PubliusValerius wrote:
So shorter and taller than an IAx

Strike 1 Salazar

I know! Hard to believe these companies won't design a bike for the 7 guys on slowtwitch that want a 12 inch saddle to bar drop!....
;)
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SBRcoffee wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
So shorter and taller than an IAx

Strike 1 Salazar


I know! Hard to believe these companies won't design a bike for the 7 guys on slowtwitch that want a 12 inch saddle to bar drop!....
;)

You don't need a big saddle to bar drop to need a long frame. Short legs, long torso.
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Grill wrote:
SBRcoffee wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
So shorter and taller than an IAx

Strike 1 Salazar


I know! Hard to believe these companies won't design a bike for the 7 guys on slowtwitch that want a 12 inch saddle to bar drop!....
;)

You don't need a big saddle to bar drop to need a long frame. Short legs, long torso.
Or a burning desire to be in a quick position. Ok a long top tube not for everyone but not everyone make Irons for 18 handicappers....

Gaining stack isn't even an issue now as everyone just stacks up the spacers to high heaven. Reach is much more hard to come by in these integrated front end bikes.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [hutchy_belfast] [ In reply to ]
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Specialized still makes the Shiv TT, you know...
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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Compared to the 54cm P5, it has 3mm more stack, and 6mm less reach. Seems pretty dang close, though I'm not an expert fitter.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [nickwhite] [ In reply to ]
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The disparity is more clear in the large/small frame choices. I always battle length on any bike that is "modern".

Looking at the various numbers on the fit calculator, it looks as if the sizes are spaced to tout a large fit envelope. This is true. But I personally just hate the undermount setup and having for show the pads all the way to the front, which is what I would have to do on a large frame. Even so, I would still be too tall on the stack.

While the frame/alpha x combo will fit a wide range of fits, I would not call it ideal for anyone that wants more reach.

The frame sizes skip from 490,525,560 in stack and 375,405,435 in reach. I'm guessing because the alpha X fills in the gaps quite nicely there.

While most people will be fine and shove the pads where they need to to make a frame like this work, I prefer not to. That doesn't knock any innovation that Nick and TriRig have done. I'm hearing this is a really well thought out bike, I just am not the ideal candidate for this. I just am tired of fighting length issues on bikes.

But as someone else stated, this is only an issue for the 7 of us that fit this criteria.

This is not an issue with just this bike, just the general trend in frames vs. my preferred fit and preference for bar set up. (I could fit suck it up on a large in the undermount set up and lose about 10-15 mm in stack. Or I could go on a medium and give up some reach.).
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Yes, so a touch taller and shorter than the middle of the road geo P5. Three full centimeters higher than the medium TT shiv, with the same reach.
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Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Pure vanity and the lack of full tilt range on the pads. I like a severe tilt more than the 10* fixed spacer provided for the undermount setup. I'm shallow and am stupid picky. I'll admit that and like I said, not an issue as the bike seems to be able to fit most people if willing to go in the undermount options/have a more "normalized" reach.

No matter what though, I have to give up something to obtain my ideal coordinates.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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They started making it when Noah was building his ark though.... and it wasn't even the fastest frame then.
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Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

Routing undermount is less optimal. I've always been curious about the aero implications of undermount---frontal area is the same, but it's smooth bottom/rough top vs. rough bottom/rought top (never seen any data on it). There was a third issue I had, but it's slipping my brain right now, so it's probably something to do with vanity.

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Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious
It seriously limits BTA hydration options.
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jsk wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

It seriously limits BTA hydration options.
On Alpha X, there are a pair of BTA bosses built into the stem cover that can be used when using the undermount setup.

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jsk wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

It seriously limits BTA hydration options.

This is actually my main reason. I also think it doesn't look so great.
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TriRig wrote:
jsk wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

It seriously limits BTA hydration options.

On Alpha X, there are a pair of BTA bosses built into the stem cover that can be used when using the undermount setup.
I have the Alpha C (proprietary stem). I guess you applied some 'lessons learned' on the Alpha X. :)
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Who's got final hour predictions?

I doubt that it's going to be one of these Lotus or Ventum style bikes. I'm pretty sure he hates the looks of those bikes...or at least, he said something along those lines in his Ventum review. Plus, he is an incorrigible weight weenie, and aren't those bikes heavy as all hell?

I think it might be modeled after the O.G. Trek like the one he just built up with the glossy white Alpha X front end. Now THAT is a fine looking bicycle. I am sure he will make liberal use of the virtual airfoil poppycock in designing the tube shapes.

I expect there to be no bolt occlusion throughout. My prediction is that, like Henry Ford, he will unapologetically offer it only in black (glossy black with hideous orange accents that clash with every other color, in this case).

I think he positions the module right on top of Specialized at the $5,000 pricepoint, which would put Omni $500 north of the Speed Concept -- a significantly better bike of course, but Trek doesn't offer the legendary customer support and service experience that TriRig does. That deserves a premium.
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jsk wrote:
TriRig wrote:
jsk wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

It seriously limits BTA hydration options.

On Alpha X, there are a pair of BTA bosses built into the stem cover that can be used when using the undermount setup.

I have the Alpha C (proprietary stem). I guess you applied some 'lessons learned' on the Alpha X. :)

Your problem is the proprietary stem, which the Alpha X wouldn't help you solve. The Sigma XF also has bosses for a BTA bottle that is perfect when rocking the undermount setup. But this doesn't help you solve the problem of where to keep your Garmin, which is a problem (to date) that Nick has failed to acknowledge exists.
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How about he just rips off the first gen speed concept with a deep-ass fork with a little nook carved out for the front brake?

I bought mine in 2011 and haven't been compelled to even look at a new TT bike. The only thing I would upgrade on my SC7 is that horrible first-gen Omega front brake!

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You didn't purchase the entirely unaffordable TriRig Speed Concept clamp kit?

Saves 200 grams!
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Haha. No, I bought the peasant version (7 vs 9) and then took a hack-saw to a brand new Ventus like a grown-up in order to make it fit.

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I think the real question no one is asking is at what point does (has already) TriRig moved from a product review site to a product manufacturer? Now Nick does both, though the product offerings are somewhat limited... But that continues to increase and now with a frameset, he is now a bike manufacturer. I think he does a decent job of reviewing products now in spite of the fact that he sells competing products, but at some point the pendulum swings a little too far. Trek after all does not review Cervelo products and I think it would be a little strange if they did.
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Maybe no more bike reviews and more component reviews that do not compete with his products.


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I bet it will have rim brakes.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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The Facebook photos show no downtube. It's going to look like a Ventum

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Nick is smart. It is going to be a Ventum, Hotta style front end with a rear end that tucks in nicely.


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That could be bad for Ventum..... unless they're working together, re-designing the Ventum and then rebranding it as the Tririg frame; probably not, but that wouldn't be a horrible marketing move on Ventum's part.

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That could be bad for Ventum..... unless they're working together, re-designing the Ventum and then rebranding it as the Tririg frame; probably not, but that wouldn't be a horrible marketing move on Ventum's part.
Which makes me wonder, whatever happened to the new Ventum that Jimmy mentioned and would be posted on their website? That was at least a month ago but no confirmation since then.
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But this doesn't help you solve the problem of where to keep your Garmin, which is a problem (to date) that Nick has failed to acknowledge exists.

eh?


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Yeah I do the same but with a 520. Except that my cockpit is considerably shorter than yours so pulling out a bottle -- especially those tall one's they hand out at races -- is always a tight squeeze with my head unit and frequently I hit the lap button by mistake. This is really petty, but feels like an integration that's lacking

Anyways I think the Zipp BTA solution is a pretty good one but it doesn't work that well with an undercount setup.
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That could be bad for Ventum..... unless they're working together, re-designing the Ventum and then rebranding it as the Tririg frame; probably not, but that wouldn't be a horrible marketing move on Ventum's part.


That is definitely not happening.

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I would not be opposed to ripping off the first gen Speed Concept while slightly improving storage integration (e.g. designing around a downtube aero bottle) and integrating the top tube with the Alpha X.

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I doubt that it's going to be one of these Lotus or Ventum style bikes. I'm pretty sure he hates the looks of those bikes.

Holding this for tomorrow's (to you) shock.

No downtube, integrated flat storage, $4500 fame/fork/seatpost.

Somewhere in the 1100-1200 gram territory is my guess.
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PubliusValerius wrote:
jsk wrote:
TriRig wrote:
jsk wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Why so much hate for the undermount set up? Just curious

It seriously limits BTA hydration options.

On Alpha X, there are a pair of BTA bosses built into the stem cover that can be used when using the undermount setup.

I have the Alpha C (proprietary stem). I guess you applied some 'lessons learned' on the Alpha X. :)


Your problem is the proprietary stem, which the Alpha X wouldn't help you solve. The Sigma XF also has bosses for a BTA bottle that is perfect when rocking the undermount setup. But this doesn't help you solve the problem of where to keep your Garmin, which is a problem (to date) that Nick has failed to acknowledge exists.

You'll get no argument from me about lack of flexibility with the proprietary stem, wish I'd known more when I purchased.

That said I still don't understand the trend towards 'tall' frames in the market when it's so easy to pedestal the pads for a taller fit. Another strike against undermount extensions on a tall frame is the bullhorns being higher than one might like, plus the fact that it limits your choice in extension bars if you don't want a super-low hand position when on the aero bars.

There's just really nothing to like about undermounted extensions, they're a last resort IMHO and come with real limitations.
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Dan effectively answered this question in the x/y series. Because people are riding these bikes so tall that they can't actually pedestal the pads high enough in a normal configuration. So manufacturers are producing for the mass market. Seriously, there are so few people clamoring for long and low -- it just feels that way because all of them are vocal on this forum. There is no gaping failure in the market
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BryanD wrote:
http://www.tririg.com/store.php?c=omni

That is the most appealing of the new/old designs. Would be very interesting if it fitted.
Lots of things done right. Especially the built in bento, which I've been waiting to see someone do for years.


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i've got my writeup on the front page. it'll fit fine. it looks midrange, but it'll take care of the low folks because of how the bar adjusts.


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i've got my writeup on the front page. it'll fit fine. it looks midrange, but it'll take care of the low folks because of how the bar adjusts.

Not me, #alienfitsmatter
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Slowman wrote:
i've got my writeup on the front page. it'll fit fine. it looks midrange, but it'll take care of the low folks because of how the bar adjusts.

I have, of course, already read your writeup.
It doesn't fit me - I'm not going to ride a medium with only 600mm of front centre.
While it makes sense that he has designed the frame fit around the bars he already offers, it's unfortunate because the bars are a bit limited.


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"It doesn't fit me - I'm not going to ride a medium with only 600mm of front centre."

you're like 187cm or 188cm aren't you? you'd probably be a L. i'm 6'2" and that's 188cm isn't it? i know i'd be a large.


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Right. There are three frame sizes and essentially three stem lengths. I am not sure all riders will fit with that limited amount of adjustability.

I don't consider my position extreme as I am 6'0" and ride a 56cm Cervelo P5 with the Alpha X arm cups in the forward position. I'm tweaking my position and will either end up with the arm cups slammed or with the 10mm pedestal spacer.

The 56cm P5 has a stack of 540mm and reach of 425mm.

The M Omni has a stack of 525mm and reach of 405mm. So while I can just add 15mm of stack to get to the same place as the P5, I'm 20mm short on reach. And I've already maxed out the reach with the Alpha X. So the M Omni won't work.

The L Omni has a stack of 560mm and a reach of 435mm. So with the L, the reach is fine, in fact I gain 10mm of reach over the P5 so may be able to use the neutral arm cup position. But the Omni's stack is 20mm more than the P5, and I am already running the Alpha X slammed or with the 10mm pedestal spacer. So going to the Omni will raise me 10-20mm from where I need to be.

Yes I know this is only an n=1 but in my case a 56cm P5, a bike that is not known as particularly "long and low," will work for me while an Omni will not.
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What about setback? I ride 9cm behind the BB and this doesn't look like it will accommodate.
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I think they should be congratulated on such an ambitious project.

Does anyone else think it looks like a person on "all fours" when it is as a frameset though? Haha
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Yes a little creepy looking, in fact!!
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No integrated hydration?

Not sure the geometry will support my position being one of the aliens from Dan's articles..
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Looks great with slammed stem but what happens when you add extra spacers below the stem as I would probably need?? Aeroness and looks take a big hit?!?!
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Aero-wise it will be about the same. Looks-wise all bikes with spacers are ugly. But then again so are huge headtubes.
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No integrated hydration?

......

First thing I noticed as well.... :(
I love the integrated bottle on the Ventum design.

The built in bent box on top, rubbery with the split top opening, do these work well? I thought folks were constantly complaining about them on the Felt IA's, etc?

Otherwise, I really like the look, and the Medium looks like it would fit me quite well... :)
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SBRcoffee wrote:
knighty76 wrote:
No integrated hydration?

......


First thing I noticed as well.... :(
I love the integrated bottle on the Ventum design.

The built in bent box on top, rubbery with the split top opening, do these work well? I thought folks were constantly complaining about them on the Felt IA's, etc?

Otherwise, I really like the look, and the Medium looks like it would fit me quite well... :)

I think it looks like a Ventum that has been left in the curing oven too long, and that they forgot to attach the integrated water bottle to.

Questionable geometry, as follows the current disappointing trend towards sit-up-and-beg positioning. Mentioned above, I'm one of the aliens in Dan's article and with pad stack/reach of 575/510 I can literally only just make this work, with the medium totally slammed and pads under-mounted and all the way forward. Small serves my stack a bit better, but no chance on reach. And I wasn't the most alien-like in Dan's survey, not that much of an outlier and there are plenty other freaks like me, probably with fast positions.

I just can't get my head around it. All of these aero features on the frame, but they forgot about the large human sitting on the thing which makes up the vast majority of the drag.

Between this and the Canyon on the front page, I'm feeling all a bit meh about these new bikes. Sticking with my P3C until I can afford the Canyon SLX.
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Slowman wrote:

you're like 187cm or 188cm aren't you? you'd probably be a L. i'm 6'2" and that's 188cm isn't it? i know i'd be a large.

Don't lump me in with the midgets! 193cm thank you.

I was going to graph the fit range my way, but excel crashed and I'm too jetlagged to start again, so you get the playschool version
This is for the large, X is me



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Finally, a progressive frame where the maker comes right out and says it's ok to ride it on a trainer. THANK YOU. Now just put bottle bosses all over the thing so people can add what they want if they want.


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Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?
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I would be more than willing to be an early adopter if not for the ITU. Can't race worlds on this bike.
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hutchy_belfast wrote:
Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?

Yep. Especially when cervelo will replace your old frame if it cracks, no matter how long you've had it.

and we can add one new bike that's short and high. Next.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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I will stick with my Ventum and the integrated hydration.
I can not imagine it tests much different than the Ventum in a wind tunnel, it looks like its basically the same frame.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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I'm impressed! Nick has done a great job making this frame style look good while maximizing areas triathletes are interested: aero, ease, nutrition. Nice work! I can't wait to see one in the wild! Unless I'm mistaken, Nick runs TriRig as a very small and lean operation. This new bike is fantastic and goes up against the major triathlon players out there. That's a testament to his dedication to this sport, and it's great to see an entrepreneur take such a big leap.
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So a triathlon only bike, but no consideration for hydration. Because he spent too much time hiding a Silca Allen key in the fork. FFS. Never mind word is those kappa cages are literally unusable while actually riding. Meaning they hold too tightly.

So I guess this is for dentists who race sprints?

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Why so much hate for dentists?
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So a triathlon only bike, but no consideration for hydration. Because he spent too much time hiding a Silca Allen key in the fork. FFS. Never mind word is those kappa cages are literally unusable while actually riding. Meaning they hold too tightly.

So I guess this is for dentists who race sprints?

Well, it does come with a BTA mount for the front, and a behind the seat mount that can mount one or two bottles. Some of us prefer to use bottles rather than rube goldberg devices that leak and require you to sit up and refill from another bottle while riding (a scary proposition for triathletes). Much quicker and safer to swap a rear bottle to the front when you've finished the front bottle. But you can still mount your own fancy front hydration system if the simple act of removing a bottle, drinking, and putting it back while staying in aero is too advanced an athletic activity for you.

I see a lot of clever and well thought out things about this frame. Won't be on my purchase list as I'd rather have a frame that gives me some room to go up or down and I'm at the very bottom of his stack range right now, but it should sell well.
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This is a major problem with integrating such features like hydration and bento boxes into the bike; you are spending $5k and if those extras don't work perfectly you are left feeling meh about a $25-$100 add on when the focus should be on the bigger picture. I would prefer to let the Xlabs of the world design products with solutions to these problems rather than integrate everything only to find it isn't functional
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He´s obviously been inspired by my budget BP Stealth build:







Mine cost a LOT less than $8000 too - more like about a 20th of that...!

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Agreed!

As for the hydration issue...there is a company that no one really talks about anymore: Speedfil! Get their A2 refillable bottle and Z4 cage, which has an integrated Garmin attachment.

I'm just bummed about the colours. A white base with coloured or black & grey details would be super sharp. That solid black mass, especially with the TR orange gives it a cheap-ish open mould feel. Also, the choice of typeface is horrendous.

I wonder too about that bento box. I had the Torhans Aerobento and it sucked. Could barely get my fingers in there. On the trainer, standing. Forget about during a race. I also tried the Profile Design one, same thing. I'm now using an Xlab zippered bag and it's perfect. So I hope this one can open wide.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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No disrespect, but using the bar adjustability to hide the gaps in the frame sizes does not help. **


At 590/600 and 535 reach, I have to give up something to get at my coordinates. Now maybe that compromise would be ok (for instance, I could go medium and just but my elbows 10mm forward of normal and have the same virtual fit). But for people like me and other aliens that want reach with a reasonable stack, the cockpit is put to its full range on a medium, or you have to use undermount on large and still miss stack (in my case).

I understand I am not normal and many being vocal are in the minority, but can at least ONE "superbike" come out where people don't have to "make it work". I think the closest thing might be the Canyon but I'd have to check the chart there. All I'm asking for is 20-30 mm of reach so I don't have to push the pads all the way forward and put even more weight up there.

But I digress.

Bike looks well thought out, definitely has some cool features and isn't priced as high as I thought it would be for the frame module (I was thinking more of ~$6k for what he offered). Kuddos to Nick and anyone else involved for bringing it to market. I'm sure a fair number of people will give this a serious look.

I'll wait for the Omni X(tra long)

*I understand extra frame sizes to account for the <5% of us who meet this criteria is expensive and probably does not have a good ROI. But I like to complain about stuff.
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DFW_Tri wrote:
This is a major problem with integrating such features like hydration and bento boxes into the bike; you are spending $5k and if those extras don't work perfectly you are left feeling meh about a $25-$100 add on when the focus should be on the bigger picture. I would prefer to let the Xlabs of the world design products with solutions to these problems rather than integrate everything only to find it isn't functional

I mostly agree with this. Look at the IA calpac where people have to use a velcro strap bento over the thing. Of course, then you're left with no aftermarket company making a product like we see with Cervelo and the IA draft box.
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So a triathlon only bike, but no consideration for hydration. Because he spent too much time hiding a Silca Allen key in the fork. FFS. Never mind word is those kappa cages are literally unusable while actually riding. Meaning they hold too tightly.

So I guess this is for dentists who race sprints?

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Have you ever had a root canal?
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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If I was on the same fit as my p5 I would be in the same spot on that chart for a medium. However, I was hoping to buy the x-low bars and those got discontinued because of the recall. So in reality I want to be lower than the 575 stack, but that's not happening any day soon unless I go back to the p4.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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I have a shiv and people hate on it for reasons. but I will say I feel they did a good job of integration. I have never had an issue with the internal bladder and it just works and doesn't leak (people complain that its too small 22oz). I do use this bladder and a BTA for hydration. I also find the fuelcell works great as well. I can throw in a gel flask and a few other things and still grab it out when in aero no issues. Maybe I will get heat for it but I do find that if want a good starting point for integration I think they did it well not perfect but pretty good considering. I still feel its at the top of well performing integration in real world conditions.

PS. This frame is way better looking than a ventum. If I was in the market for this type of bike I would pick this based on vanity alone compared to a ventum.
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that is where the 48 P(whatever) comes into play(you just run out of reach quickly)
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I would mind trying to ride this other than I don't want to pay for it and I don't want my water bottles behind my @ss when training.(hate how it throws the bike feel off and cant use BTA in my position) probably pretty fast and I actually kinda like how it looks(did I say that?)
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It's okay I'm happy with it. Not planning on replacing it anytime soon since I think the gains from a frame are starting to level out. Not too mention my training is the bigger issue than a new bike at this point.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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I think the closest thing might be the Canyon...

Not the one on the front page! Like me you'd have to save up for the SLX.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [knighty76] [ In reply to ]
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That is what I meant. Forgot about the new one.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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And still can't find the time to finish a stem...
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [hutchy_belfast] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?

Hadn't noticed that. That seems odd, no? Even Dimond offers 6 years.....not sure about Ventum.

Lack of faith in the durability of the frame?
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... an aero penny farthing

What's old is new again?

I don't really understand why this bike was made. That sounds kinda harsh, and I'm not knocking the design, but with a market replete with very high end designs, I'm not seeing the opportunity; whereas the accessories were all clearly overlooked and low-hanging fruit. Maybe the data will show a crazy performance boost and beating everything else to market now that 3:1 is bygone. I look forward to reading more when they interview Nick on the details. -J

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hutchy_belfast wrote:
Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?

Dealbreaker (not that I was interested in a TR bike anyway).

I guess Nick will finally be able to write a completely positive [subjectively biased] review of a bike.
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James Haycraft wrote:
hutchy_belfast wrote:
Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?


Dealbreaker (not that I was interested in a TR bike anyway).

I guess Nick will finally be able to write a completely positive [subjectively biased] review of a bike.


Nick is quoted detailing his bike as "bombproof". With a 1 year warranty it would seem he doesnt actually believe that.

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Salazar says this factory tests to 120 percent or more than ISO standards. He stands behind the Omni as, “bombproof; you can put this bike in a trainer, BB torsion and stiffness pass with flying colors.”
...as long as you only use it like that for a year.

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I actually suspect Nick has picked some of the remaining low-hanging fruit. I claims that with an initial 3d printed prototype he managed to beat a P5 by ~5 watts. Not bad. He also references ~5 watts of savings for the skewers. That seems a bit high to me, elsewhere I've seen 2-3 watts, but still there's savings to be had. Just look at the detail Trek put into the skewers of the Speed Concept. There may also be savings from the 1x configuration. It's completely speculative but there's a chance that this bike is 5-10w faster than a similarly equipped P5.

If that ends up being the case that's actually pretty significant.

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If this bike is 5 watts faster than a P5 frameset, that is pretty substantial. If I cant hit 16cm of drop off a 78cm seat height, that is a deal breaker.

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true, very true

last bombproof item(from talking with RP) I had was a set of rudy project glasses, they were not and actually quite sucked arse
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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A lot of negativity. I truly think the bike will fit most serious athletes. This view that it is not low enough isn't cutting it for me. With the tririg aerobars, you can get low. Doing the math, the reach on the Omni is perfect for me, with a 10mm longer stem that I'm running now, which will lead to better handling: that's a good thing. Then, with a 74cm seatpost height (bb to top of saddle), if I slam the spacers/pads on the Omega aerobars and keep the stem slammed, get ready for this, I achieve ~18.5cm of drop from the top of my saddle to the top of the aerobar pads. Want longer, go with a tad longer stem. I ride long and low, I'm flexible... and the Omni would be a spot on fit for me. honestly, who is going with more than 18.5cm of drop!?

someone had mentioned wanting to get behind the bb more... have you used the Ritchey seatpost clamp? That thing does wonders; once you slid the clamp all the way back on the seatpost-rail, and then slid your saddle all of the way back on the saddle-rails, getting 7cm behind the bb really shouldn't be an issue. I ride with the tip of my saddle 6cm behind the bb with no problem on a bike with very similar geometry to the Omni, and I could go back 8+ more cm if I wanted (I don't want to).

I'm excited, this is a super-well thought out bike.

But, I will agree with others, a one year warranty is scary. [edit: Nick posted that it has a 5 year warranty. all is good in the world]

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a 10cm longer stem? Are you on a downhill mtn bike stem??

W/ regard to the warranty, what about all the people whose original Alpha bars broke/cracked and were told to use a torque wrench (even if they did) and buy another one?

That gives me a LOT of confidence in a multi thousand dollar frame that (at least as far as we know) this one guy designed who also used to design and build lightsabers.
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mm, corrected that. thanks

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milesthedog wrote:

But, I will agree with others, a one year warranty is scary.

".. Salazar believes the factory they’re now using has its own failsafe checks .."

I have an Alpha X and I think Nick is the unfortunate recipient of those failsafe checks not being done particularly well. I have had a lot of discussions with people who have had annoying issues with the bar. The pads falling off due to poor glue quality. The cable routing is not as easy as advertised due to the amount of excess material left inside the bar cavity. The TriRig extensions do not fit the TriRig bars! You have to ask for thin metal shims ("due to variances in the extensions diameter"), that are sent separately for some reason, you have to wrap these around the extensions to stop it wobbling up and down when attached to the bar. I don't think any of those are Nick's fault, they are manufacturing issues rather than design is my guess .... although I do not know the process. Nick also does not have the facility to replace parts without you sending them back to him first because "right now we don't have any policy that satisfies your demand. Sorry for any inconvenience." Meaning weeks without a bike if something they sold you doesn't work. It kind of ties you in to just living with it and circumnavigating the problem yourself.

Would I buy an Aplha X again? Yes. In fact I have to because of a crash which cracked the riser bolt insert on the basebar. I have a few TriRig items. I am a TriRig customer. The bars look great and I can work around those issues with a bit of work on the bars myself. I am not sure I would want to do that with a bike though.

I hope the bike is dialled and sells well. The more them merrier, and it's great to see some out of the box thinking .... even if it is a mix of out of the box ideas assembled in one place.

Good luck Nick.

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I actually suspect Nick has picked some of the remaining low-hanging fruit. I claims that with an initial 3d printed prototype he managed to beat a P5 by ~5 watts. Not bad. He also references ~5 watts of savings for the skewers. That seems a bit high to me, elsewhere I've seen 2-3 watts, but still there's savings to be had. Just look at the detail Trek put into the skewers of the Speed Concept. There may also be savings from the 1x configuration. It's completely speculative but there's a chance that this bike is 5-10w faster than a similarly equipped P5.

If that ends up being the case that's actually pretty significant.

Remember that the Ventum is also faster than the P5 until you put someone on it. Bikes don't ride themselves.
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a 10cm longer stem? Are you on a downhill mtn bike stem??

W/ regard to the warranty, what about all the people whose original Alpha bars broke/cracked and were told to use a torque wrench (even if they did) and buy another one?

That gives me a LOT of confidence in a multi thousand dollar frame that (at least as far as we know) this one guy designed who also used to design and build lightsabers.

As a user of the original bars still......what did I miss?!?

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if this new bike comes with the $45 dollar low profile dust cap as well. If so this looks like a steal.
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James Haycraft wrote:
...this one guy designed who also used to design and build lightsabers.

Wait. What?

After some digging, found this: http://www.saberz.com/

No integration for these to take out scum of the earth drafters while on course?



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wsrobert wrote:
James Haycraft wrote:
...this one guy designed who also used to design and build lightsabers.


Wait. What?

After some digging, found this: http://www.saberz.com/

No integration for these to take out scum of the earth drafters while on course?


I trust that guy with what I put between my legs.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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Am I right in thinking this thing's bento box has rigid sides? I wouldn't want that at all. Silicone sides act rigid and aero when you're not using it, but flex out when you need to open it up more to get what's inside, especially with one hand. I need a bento that can bulge. mmmmhmmmm.


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LOL

Now I have to build a bike themed around drafters being "Rebel Scum" hahahahaha

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You're right... I don't know what I'm talking about with my fit... It's not like I've had an approximation of this for for 10 years.

It's not a view it's statement of fact. It won't fit my position.

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Finally, a progressive frame where the maker comes right out and says it's ok to ride it on a trainer. THANK YOU. Now just put bottle bosses all over the thing so people can add what they want if they want.

Ventum has said you can ride the their bike on any trainer.

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I think the bike is very well thought out and as others have mentioned, there is a lot of attention paid to the low hanging fruit to make the bike as aero as possible. It seems like a job very well done. Fit seems to be in line with the typical frames nowadays. Just like the Ventum it will be a design that attracts emotions... love it or hate it. I think it will increase the competition in that segment a bit.
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Grill wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I actually suspect Nick has picked some of the remaining low-hanging fruit. I claims that with an initial 3d printed prototype he managed to beat a P5 by ~5 watts. Not bad. He also references ~5 watts of savings for the skewers. That seems a bit high to me, elsewhere I've seen 2-3 watts, but still there's savings to be had. Just look at the detail Trek put into the skewers of the Speed Concept. There may also be savings from the 1x configuration. It's completely speculative but there's a chance that this bike is 5-10w faster than a similarly equipped P5.

If that ends up being the case that's actually pretty significant.


Remember that the Ventum is also faster than the P5 until you put someone on it. Bikes don't ride themselves.

Right but I don't see any reason why having a down tube is inherently faster. We'll have to wait for aero data I suppose. Hopefully Nick is cognizant of the wrath that the aero deities here on the forum can inflict. Looks like he did his testing at the San Diego low speed wind tunnel so that's a good start.

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Benv wrote:
I think the bike is very well thought out and as others have mentioned, there is a lot of attention paid to the low hanging fruit to make the bike as aero as possible. It seems like a job very well done. Fit seems to be in line with the typical frames nowadays. Just like the Ventum it will be a design that attracts emotions... love it or hate it. I think it will increase the competition in that segment a bit.

What "low hanging fruit" was there in 'super bike' design? I'm very curious.
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hutchy_belfast wrote:
Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?

Typo. Five year warranty.

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Also, for those commenting on colors, there are options via decals (shown at the bottom of the Features page):


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If this bike is 5 watts faster than a P5 frameset, that is pretty substantial. If I cant hit 16cm of drop off a 78cm seat height, that is a deal breaker.
Dave--I agree that 5W(+?) is pretty significant if true. The fit issues would worry me too, but I wouldn't expect it to be an issue even though I haven't looked too closely. Really no qualms with the design yet. But where's the data? Its absence surprises me.
And the bike (frame) market is more competitive than the bike accessories. Why jump in now? I get the design is probably a good one, but from the $$ side v. competition, I find it surprising and risky. Good on Nick for pulling everything off to this point. But that's more of what I mean when I say I don't understand why this bike was made. -J

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No stealth or gray? I know its been played to death but at least you can always match with black.
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No stealth or gray? I know its been played to death but at least you can always match with black.
Maybe we will offer the illustrator files for the highly-motivated.

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It looks utterly hideous. I hate it. The chassis is actually the finest looking of the Lotus-inspired set, which isn't saying a lot for a style that just doesn't work for a lot of people, including me. The orange colors are terrible. I don't know why he couldn't have just made the base color scheme a light grey, or something else neutral, and then allowed the one person in the world who wants that orange -- Nick Salazar himself -- to apply those awful decals.

Aerodynamically, I think it could be interesting. I'm sure it will test well -- the story he is telling about this frame is the same one that's been told about the Lotus and the Ventum, not that we've seen reliable data yet. The fork is sort of a half Dimond superfork / half old 3T one.

I think he came as close to nailing the fit for as many people as possible as he could -- with only three molds of the frame and a fixed stem length, anyways. Ironically, because this bike is offered in only three SKUs, it more than most others needs the additional flexibility that Zipp provides in small, medium, and large offerings of the Vuka Stealth front end. At any rate, it happens to fit me acceptably -- not as well as the Canyon, but well enough -- and that's a rarity among these new orthodontist bikes.

I expected the $5,000 price point, bolt non occlusion, removable FD hanger, bosses everywhere, integrated Omega brakes, a compartment for the junction box, etc. These are all classic Salazar, which shouldn't necessarily diminish them, because in total they are important. But of course, they reflect the details that matter to Nick, not necessarily all that matters to triathletes. The hydration setup is totally impractical for many of us who need to race a 112 mile time trial or train in remote areas for several hours -- and sort of by definition in much of the world, you are in remote areas when you are riding for several hours. Nick doesn't understand this. That cage behind the saddle, the Kappa -- it won't launch bottles, but it will make your life hell, and possibly kill you, if you ever need to reach back there and pull something out while you're riding.

I didn't expect a bento storage solution integrated into the top tube, which looks more spacious than others of its kind...not sure, hard to tell, but I guess it partially negates the whiff on hydration. I didn't expect an integrated Silca tool with a push lock or a hirth joint in the steerer, which seem like interesting integrations...if they work. Apparently the manufacturing required to product effective hirth joints is cumbersome and difficult. These are exactly the types of processes and products that are easily bungled in a first generation design. The thing doesn't even have a patent yet.

Which brings me to my next point...what happens when this thing fails? And there are probably more potential failure items / points in this bike than any other debut superbike in recent history -- from a one man shop with a history of products that fail on athletes at the worst times (e.g. Kona) and a track record of ambivalence towards those customers / problems when they do happen. Who is going to be the $5k guinea pig on this thing? Any takers? Count me out.

So with these concerns, you'd expect Nick to back his products with some sort of long term guarantee, right? Wrong. He goes to market with a 1 year (very limited) warranty...(Edit: no changed to five years...because, "typo".) For a $5,000 frameset. This is a problem. This has always been a problem. A buddy of mine couldn't get his Alpha X extension clamps securely on his gamma extensions, and Nick told him to cut up a soda can and layer it around the extension in the clamp to act as a 'shim' of sorts. A $1,000 front end solution needs a Bud light shim to function properly? Stop. If you want to sell big boy products at big boy prices, you need to put on your big boy pants and back the customer when those products don't work properly or are damaged.

Speaking of first generation products described as "bomb proof" by Nick that happen to have serious quality issues, Flo's come stock on the $8,000 complete build. I am not sure who rides a bike this expensive and is content to roll around on Flos. Oh, yes, I do. Nick. Because he doesn't ride in adverse conditions like rain.

Anyways, this bike is about to be irrelevant. Six years he spent developing a bike architected around his Omega rim brake, and in three years, no serious racing bicycle will have rim brakes anymore. I am setting the over/under on TriRig bankruptcy at 18 months.
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It's great to see another non uci design come to market. This is a very clean design. It is very expensive but either way, I'm not the intended market. The size medium seems a little tall but you will always have people complaining about geometry.

I actually think the bigger outlier is the small, damn that's a short reach bike.
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It looks utterly hideous. I hate it. ........

Anyways, this bike is about to be irrelevant. Six years he spent developing a bike architected around his Omega rim brake, and in three years, no serious racing bicycle will have rim brakes anymore. I am setting the over/under on TriRig bankruptcy at 18 months.

Wow, that is some super negative ranting for a product that presumably you have not even seen first-hand. It comes across as if you must have caught this dude fucking your wife.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is wrong with the new Flo CC's in the rain? I was thinking about buying some this month, but would like to know about potential issues.

As far as the Omni is concerned, I like several features and see other manufacturers incorporating them in the future. The integrated skewers are something I would love on my bike. As others commented on the hydration, ya...that needs some tweaking. If the Kappa cage is anywhere near as tight as an X-lab gorilla behind the seat then I'd be replacing that with another brand.
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hutchy_belfast wrote:
Does anyone else think 1 year warranty for a $5k frame is damn stingy?

Typo. Five year warranty.

Are you going to release the aero data?


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Wow, that is some super negative ranting for a product that presumably you have not even seen first-hand. It comes across as if you must have caught this dude fucking your wife.

Just trying to balance out the other first responders whose product reviews basically amount to Salazar hagiography.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is wrong with the new Flo CC's in the rain? I was thinking about buying some this month, but would like to know about potential issues.

They just are terrible in the rain, and the carbon track braking in general lags the market. The tracks also scratch easily in wet conditions as debris accumulates on surface and sticks in the pads. Flo exhorts the customer to keep the track clear of debris, as if that's going to happen in inclement weather.
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According to the site...

"We are in the process of completing a formal study of the final production version of Omni in the wind tunnel. We will publish our data in early November. For now, we can show you this teaser, from an earlier study that compared our first SLA prototype to a leading competitor."
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He goes to market with a 1 year (very limited) warranty...(Edit: no changed to five years...because, "typo".) For a $5,000 frameset. This is a problem.


Must have really fat fingers....

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I don't think disc brakes are that close to full adoption. I know they are making headway but I don't see it happening yet. One thing people don't talk about is how hard it is to breakdown a bike with hydraulic brakes.
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Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!

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Wow, that is some super negative ranting for a product that presumably you have not even seen first-hand.

This may be the one thing that seems like a small thing but really is a very BIG thing with this sell direct model - particularly for smaller operations. Few people will actually get to see this bike in person.

I assume no trade shows, like Interbike. Most buyers will only get to see the bike online, and in fairness, that probably does not give a bike like this full credit.


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And you have to deal with the obnoxious 15% restocking fee if you don't like it after it arrives--a mere $750 gamble for the frame set. Oh wait, I stand corrected as I read more carefully, frames cannot be returned at all.
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And you have to deal with the obnoxious 15% restocking fee if you don't like it after it arrives--a mere $750 gamble for the frame set. Oh wait, I stand corrected as I read more carefully, frames cannot be returned at all.

That is way to big of a gamble. Compare it to Ventum's return policy. You can return a Ventum in 30 days for a full refund.

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And you have to deal with the obnoxious 15% restocking fee if you don't like it after it arrives--a mere $750 gamble for the frame set. Oh wait, I stand corrected as I read more carefully, frames cannot be returned at all.

Keeping it classy, TriRig

I recently had an issue where my Specialized frame was damaged. More aptly, I damaged it, or at least, I was responsible for the damage. Specialized stood behind me and backed me all the way through the process, even though it wasn't their fault as a company or a defect in their product. Imagine installing the wrong bottom bracket adapter in the TriRig Omni and ruining the frame, because you're a moron, and then asking Nick to send over a replacement module gratis...just not going to happen with this product/company.
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Most buyers will only get to see the bike online, and in fairness, that probably does not give a bike like this full credit.

This is one of those things that goes both ways. The stock images and polished presentation of this thing could likely give the product too much credit.
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This I know nothing about. I was more looking at it from the perspective that companies like this, who are going the direct route have a real challenge in that people can't touch, look at and feel these bikes.


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I don't think disc brakes are that close to full adoption. I know they are making headway but I don't see it happening yet. One thing people don't talk about is how hard it is to breakdown a bike with hydraulic brakes.

Yup and that's why I'll (probably) never buy a tri bike with disc brakes. I travel to a lot of races. Unless your disc brake super bike is somehow 30secs/40km faster than my rim brake super bike (good luck, it's not happening) I'm not changing.

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I can sort of understand that with Specialized though because they made a mess of their bottom bracket standards with their knock-off BB30 (OSBB) which they sometimes changed more than once within a given model year. In fact, they made such a mess that sometimes they don't even know which frame accepts which variation of OSBB.

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Right and with such a model, the return policy needs to be stout. Here, it's non-existent
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Wow, that is some super negative ranting for a product that presumably you have not even seen first-hand. It comes across as if you must have caught this dude fucking your wife.


Just trying to balance out the other first responders whose product reviews basically amount to Salazar hagiography.

Not to endorse or condemn your specific comments but I always find the pervasiveness of 'fanboy' culture in regards to commercial entities to be intriguing regardless of the specific market. I work in the space industry, and you would swear that Elon Musk is the second coming of Jesus by the way that 'normal' people have embraced him and SpaceX as a whole. When they lost their launcher the other week there were large swathes of people on the internet with absolutely no personal stake in the company acting as if they had lost a family member.

The space rant aside, the same goes for Apple, Samsung, TriRig, pretty much anything else. These are for-profit companies that exist to make a profit off of you. Sure, you can have a founder who is passionate and inspiring to some, but at the end of the day this is about making money not enriching peoples lives.

Not to say you should completely throw him under the bus, but I approach every new product regardless of origin with a healthy degree of skepticism. We are dealing with manufacturers who's very existence depends on the perpetuation of the idea that what you own is inadequate and must be replaced with something newer and better, regardless of if they were the one who convinced you to buy the thing you are replacing in the first place.
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Interesting. It reminds me of a cross between the old BP Stealth and a Lotus if they hooked up & had a kid. IMO it's a fugly kid but hey iothers will think it's beautiful I'm sure. The forks and shielding on the rear wheel look better.

Pretty tricked out with his brakes/bars.

Pretty ridiculous for training though, no frame mounted bottles which limits the amount you can bring. hopefully you're not riding in the middle of nowhere. ona 95F day with high humidity and/or aren't a heavy sweater. But then not having 2 frame cages is a HUGE pet peeve of mine bc behind the seat bottles are lame.

Will be interesting to see the aero paper, see what that says how it was done and what the numbers really say vs other bikes. Wonder how much of that is frame vs bars. If it's against a P5-6 but you can build a P2/3 & P5-3 up as fast or faster than the P5-6 does it really matter if it beats the P5-6?

Anyway some thoughts I had on it. Good for him for taking this step, not sure it's a game changer in the scope of things (bars/bikes) coming out

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Yup and that's why I'll (probably) never buy a tri bike with disc brakes. I travel to a lot of races. Unless your disc brake super bike is somehow 30secs/40km faster than my rim brake super bike (good luck, it's not happening) I'm not changing.

Everyone keeps saying this but I have faith in a good engineering team. I think we will be surprised once disc brake tri bikes come out. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand, we should be optimistic and let the data prove it.

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I'm not optimistic at all. Why? First there's not much aero fruit left to pick over existing super bikes set up with best practices. Second, it's become more and more apparent that the only thing that really matters is drag inside of 10 degrees. If we were going to wider yaws I would say maybe there's potential for how disc brakes could allow for potentially better high-yaw designs (wheels in particular). Third, with Specialized's new Roubiax it is clear that potential time savings from comfort are pretty minimal. I, for one, thought comfort was going to be the next big thing in tri bikes but for Specialized to show a 10 second improvement over 40k over what is almost certainly cobbles... that just tells me that there isn't much to gain for tri bikes going over relatively smooth surfaces.

Once you're inside 10 degrees of yaw you have four courses: be narrow, have proper tube shapes, manage airflow coming off the wheels, and manage airflow around the rider. Consider that a P4 is probably the fastest bike available to fast riders at the moment. That's kind of nuts. Cervelo attempted to manage airflow around the rider with the P5 (that's the purpose of the funky seat tube) and didn't gain much over the P4. Otherwise the last area of contention is the fork, specifically around the brake. How much airflow can you free up there? Maybe a watt? Will you lose that with the disc brake itself?

Here's a design I could see working with disc brakes: an exaggerated version of QR's "shift" tubes with a "righty" fork. How much could you gain with that?

If you really want to change brake standards and improve aero you should go to drum brakes like what Rafael has done:


Even with an optimized version of that I'd be shocked... shocked... if you eek'd out more than 5 watts vs a Speed Concept. Now what about what I've said earlier about the Omni potentially saving 5w vs something like a Speed Concept/P5? Well that's because I think removing the down tube has the potential for aero savings but that's completely aside from rim vs disc brakes.

At this point, I'm convinced the future for the tri bike market... possibly the bike market in general... is to bring the price of performance down. There were some innovative production and assembly techniques shown off at Eurobike and at Taipei last year though few noticed because they weren't featured on halo products. I could see, five years from now, someone buying a new "semi" super bike (e.g. old Trek SC 7, QR Elite, etc) for less than $1,000.

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One thing people don't talk about is how hard it is to breakdown a bike with hydraulic brakes.


Totally agree -- this is one of the major down sides. But given how few triathletes can actually break down a bicycle to begin with, I don't see this as a problem for a mass market that seems to be crying out for this 'solution'. My prediction is that disc brakes will not only be a boon for manufacturers, but also for bike shops, who will gain even more service business from consumers who don't know how to bleed or even adjust a hydraulic brake, disassemble/assemble for travel, etc.

Notwithstanding all that, I have one word to say to triathletes who say they will ride the rim forever: bullshit.
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If disc brakes are as fast or faster than a P5 or Speed Concept....then what?

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Then we can have a conversation about the merits of switching. Until then it would be nice to go at least two weeks without another tired discussion about disc brakes on tri bikes.

As for the topic of this thread, I kind of like the look of the frame. Not a huge fan of the graphics, but at least you can pick a color so you're not stuck with a Halloween theme. He nailed a lot of cool little details IMO (like the skewers, hidden bento box, brake cover fairings, etc). It's above my budget, but I hope he does well with it and is able to grow. I'm wondering when we'll see a pro on it as he has a number of athletes using his other components.

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There are just a large number of luddite, curmudgeons here who resist change. I mean Tom A goes on and on...and on and on about his custom steel (or aluminum?) frame that performs as well as an S5. Blah blah. Whatever. Ride your old technology into the sunset. I applaud his persistence (though of all the things we waste time on here this seems a rather odd one to dig your feet into - as if anyone on this board has any influence on what manufacturers build) in the face of the beginnings of a sea of change in the industry.

The moment reputable data exists showing discs are faster, people will be clearing the garages and selling their children to fund a new stable of wheels and bikes. And those who don't...probably also believe the earth is flat.

ETA: also your blind belief in the advances of disc brakes, in the absence of data, is just as laughable. I bet you were an awesome cheerleader in high school though.

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Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!

I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.


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If disc brakes are as fast or faster than a P5 or Speed Concept....then what?

If it's as fast I still won't buy them. Easier to travel with and wrench on rim brakes (I have an mtb with hydro disc brakes fwiw). I'd be willing to give up... probably up to 10secs per 40k to stick with rim brakes just for the ease of travel... and rather than buy those 10 seconds I'd rather just spend that money on time in the tunnel or a custom tailored aero suit (bio whatever is has a shop only an hour from me).

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I don't have a blind belief in disc brakes. I just know that betting against a good engineering team is not always a good idea. I also said we should wait and let the data show us. Reading skills are something we all learn in high school.

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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.

I had a set of Jet+ blacks (6/9) and almost immediately sold them because the braking was too good. I couldn't get them to modulate with the levers on my tri bike.

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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.


I had a set of Jet+ blacks (6/9) and almost immediately sold them because the braking was too good. I couldn't get them to modulate with the levers on my tri bike.

So did you sell them?


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The only real reason to resist discs is the thought of 1000 bikes on a course all squealing their brakes and me having to hear it.

Triathletes as a general population do not understand the word "maintenance". Bent rotors, dirty/oily rotor, dirty pads etc. will be the norm. oh jeez, I'm cringing just thinking about it. Nothing pisses me off more than getting rotor squeal on the tail.
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
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Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.

Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.
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What about the good engineering team designing rim brake bikes?
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Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.


Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.

This has nothing to do with modulation, it has to with the fact that I am used to jamming on carbon rims because the braking surface is so bad comparatively. Just instinctual from years and years of carbon.


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Yes, within ten days of owning them (via eBay, only lost $200 luckily... expensive demo lol). I'm on 404 NSWs now and I'm 99% sure this will be my "one wheel set" going forward especially once I get my super-nifty wheel cover from Australia ;) The braking on the NSWs is really really really good. I need to write up a review but I'd say they're as good as my regular aluminum HED Jets in the wet (though I'm not sure if this would change with sustained braking... not a lot of that around here in CFL) and I actually prefer them to aluminum in the dry. Great modulation and, strangely, I think the audio provides feedback that helps in this regard.

Interesting somewhat related side note: when I was younger, I was one of the first people through the doors of the Titleist Performance Institute in Carlsbad. I went once every two months for a few days of observed practice and occasional experimentation. One of the experiments was to hit putts with noise-canceling headphones on (the type that make it so you can't here anything). Surprisingly neither I, nor anyone else they had through the door (world class pros included), was able to tell what type of a ball we were using while putting (the A/B was a super soft Tour Balata and a super hard "distance whatever"). Take the headphones off and we could tell with near 100% accuracy. What we thought was "feel" was really audio feedback.

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snip...
Once you're inside 10 degrees of yaw you have four courses: be narrow, have proper tube shapes, manage airflow coming off the wheels, and manage airflow around the rider. Consider that a P4 is probably the fastest bike available to fast riders at the moment. That's kind of nuts. Cervelo attempted to manage airflow around the rider with the P5 (that's the purpose of the funky seat tube) and didn't gain much over the P4.
I'm very pleased with the CdA I can achieve on my P4, right around 0.200m2. Nevertheless, my first reaction to the 'OMNI' was: 'I could buy this frameset, finally somerhing that may be better than what I have'.
And then I did the fit calculation... I won't fit!

I guess my 6 year old frame will have to do one more year.
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Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.


I sometimes wonder about these "advancements" in cycling technology are really just ways for people to get around the learning curve, and the bit of time and experience to use stuff properly! :)

Been "modulating" my braking just fine, with rim brakes for years. Never had a problem!


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Hey Nick,

I just wanted to say congrats! I think a lot of people here on the forum are nit picking. All that crap about the bike being not low and long enough....for those few there is something we call custom. Maybe not as cool as the super bikes, but hey, the way they are put together is not you to blame. They have two others to ' blame' for that 😊

If i weren't a tri-shop owner or if you would consider selling through shops i would order them and ride one. I really like what you did, i think geometry wise to can accomodate a large range of positions and most important i like the looks. Much better than the Ventum.

I also think the integrated hydration is much overrated. Tried several and found no system really great, but never tried the Ventum's system so they may be the exception.

I think you did a great job, love the looks and think i love it as much as my felt ia frd or a dimond in terms of looks.
If you ever expand to distribution or sell through shops don't hesitate to contact me.

Regards and hope you sell enough to get the investment returned and make some on top of that.

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I'm not optimistic at all. Why? First there's not much aero fruit left to pick over existing super bikes set up with best practices.

While I'm not keen on the advance of discs into the road arena it's worth noting that from a holistic standpoint the aero factor is not what will make disc bikes faster.
Being able to fit 32mm, low CRR tyres on wide rims that mean there is no major aero penalty compared to current 23mm tyres on 24-25mm rims will make bikes faster.
Of course, the other option would be to redesign rim brakes for wider clearance, but there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for that.


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I'm as much a fan of comfort and low crr as the next guy but I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes. At least for the front wheel. I could see going much wider in the rear with the appropriate disc.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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What about the good engineering team designing rim brake bikes?

Who? TriRig? Haha.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
BryanD wrote:
Once the next Cervelo and Specialized tri bikes have discs, there will be no turning back. It's coming soon!


I don't understand the need. Since using a HED Jet+ Black rim I have nearly bit it 1/2 a dozen times locking up the rear wheel.


Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.

Modulation has more to do with being hydraulic than with being rim based.

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I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.

We really haven't. Even with current rims you're better to take the aero hit of a wide tyre to get the CRR benefit.


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I also think the integrated hydration is much overrated. Tried several and found no system really great, but never tried the Ventum's system so they may be the exception.

OMGthisisnottheissue.

He's missing a downtube. So therefore missing an entire section of the bike to mount bottle cages. At least ventum considered the impact of removing such an integral area of the bike by incorporating an integrated solution. It's a very practical problem for long course triathletes in racing and training. As has already been detailed elsewhere throughout the thread.

But the Omni has a mount for a silca allen key. So there's that.

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GreenPlease wrote:
I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.


We really haven't.

x2

I will be picking up a set of these jawns. 25 mm internal width / 30-31 external width(!) If you believe Enve's aero data, they are very fast -- though, by default, I will not buy these bogus numbers because I have a brain.
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GreenPlease wrote:
I think we've already hit "peak width" for TT and tri purposes.


We really haven't. Even with current rims you're better to take the aero hit of a wide tyre to get the CRR benefit.

From the data I've seen, if I go from a 23mm GP TT to a 25mm GP TT I won't pick up anything on the crr front (maybe 0.5w) but I will lose something on the aero front (probably ~1w).

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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From the data I've seen, if I go from a 23mm GP TT to a 25mm GP TT I won't pick up anything on the crr front (maybe 0.5w) but I will lose something on the aero front (probably ~1w).

I haven't tested GP TT widths. It's poor aerodynamically when narrow so it wouldn't be surprising if it gets even worse when wider than the rim.
Other tyres the overall advantage is definitely with the wider option except in very specific cases.


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IPretty ridiculous for training though, no frame mounted bottles which limits the amount you can bring.
There is a set of bottle bosses on the frame just forward of the seatpost clamp. There's another set on the back of the seatpost. That's in addition to the three on the Beta and BTA mount on the Alpha X.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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That's a strangely veiled attempt at flexibility. No regular bottle can go right there unless the rider chops wood like crazy.
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desert dude wrote:
IPretty ridiculous for training though, no frame mounted bottles which limits the amount you can bring.

There is a set of bottle bosses on the frame just forward of the seatpost clamp. There's another set on the back of the seatpost. That's in addition to the three on the Beta and BTA mount on the Alpha X.

Could you detail how a long course athlete might set up this bike for a 100+ mile training ride? And then how same might set up for an actual 112 mile race?

Like, what's your recommended strategy here?

I get not pursuing integrated hydration. But you cant just remove the down tube, a place where two bottles can typically be held, and tell everyone doing long course to pound sand. Or mount a bottle ahead of the seatpost on the top tube? Getting a bottle out of a kappa thats behind my saddle is likely a death trap - so how would I remove one mounted to the back of the seatpost?

These are practical problems that don't appear to have practical solutions.

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don't want to hijack the Omni thread, but I too know how to use rim brakes very well, having raced mtb's with rim brakes, and having a tad bit of skill on the road bike.

That said, disc brakes allow me to ride faster, better, safer, especially when going down double digit grade descents with 30+mph side winds on roads with frost heaves and switch back turns banked for water drainage, not cyclists wanting to bank through a turn. Bring on the discs for road and tri bikes, so that I can descend my tri bike as confidently as my road bike... aerobar brake levers (Shimano, too) drastically decrease the performance of rim brakes, but not hydraulic brakes...

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Didn't he just suggest that the bike can hold 5 water bottles? And, if you go with a rear facing cage behind the front facing cage on the aerobar for a double set up, that's 6 bottles. Who carries more than 6 bottles?

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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Omni has three ideal points for fluid storage. Two behind the saddle and one BTA. If you prefer a different cage, you can certainly swap them - Kappa uses a standard interface, so you could mount any cage you like.

If you need a fourth spot, the frame bosses are there. If a standard bottle is not to your liking, you could use an aero bottle as well. If three standard bottles + one aero bottle does not satisfy your fluid carriage needs, then you are outside what we consider ordinary athletic considerations for a long course athlete, particularly on a supported ride like an Ironman race. Of course, if you insist on five round bottles, then Omni may not be for you.

Storage is meant primarily to be done with the integrated. You could also mount a small saddle bag between your saddle and the Beta carrier, by adjusting Beta rearward. And if that were still not enough, you could use the seatpost bosses for additional storage options.

That is our recommended setup. But there are lots of variants an athlete could choose, given the many boss locations on Omni.

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have you put a standard bottle into a cage mounted on the bosses in front of the seat tube?

if you have, can you please show a video of you riding that setup...from behind? because that would be hilarious.
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Getting a bottle out of a kappa thats behind my saddle is likely a death trap

Why?

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I don't know what the nitpicking is. I imagine triathletes routinely go on 100+ training miles, 100% self-sufficient, in a completely deserted area. I mean, what happened to stopping by a gas station to refill? Does it destroy the session?

I understand that it is inconvenient for some people, but you know what else is inconvenient? Going on 5+hour bike ride on US roads, and triathlon in general. It looks like some people have a bone to pick with the owner of Tririg here, despite an attempt at coming up with some serious bike porn. While I'm set with bikes, I would get that thing just to hang it in my garage.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously, I have raced an IM with two bottle no problem, just keep swapping out at aid stations. And for training I use 3 and plan for refills.

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I've done two IM, 2 bottles on board (including 1000cal nutrition bottle). Each time I had to stop twice to pee. Clearly not had any issues with dehydration. However people are getting upset over training issues, not necessarily racing (and IM racing and training is pretty extreme to begin with, so these "problems" can not be that common). I get it, but it seems way too much whining.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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peanut galleries (i include myself in that group) would nitpick the new cervelo to death i am sure as well. same thing with the IA, 3T Exploro, Cervelo C series, disc brakes in general, Speed Concept owner's thread.... it's just what the internet does.
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Peanut galleries are fine and all, when they are actually constructive or informative. Here it's just straight whining, make this place look like Letsrun.

Anyway, to add to what has already been said, can't wait to see what will be said about this bike...in 2 years, if it's still around. I'll say it's a pretty gutsy move from Tririg at the very least, because I know if I was on the market for a bike at that price point, I would lust on it but in good conscience could never buy it, too much uncertainty for such a purchase. Wish them all the luck.
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milesthedog wrote:
Who carries more than 6 bottles?

Domestiques. And they carry them jammed down their fu*k^ng jersey. This thread needs a serious case of HTFU. More whining than I've seen in months.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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this peanut gallery has been connstructive, as it's actually "encouraged" nick to switch his warranty from 1 year to 5 years.

or, maybe that WAS actually a typo.

Timtek wrote:
Domestiques. And they carry them jammed down their fu*k^ng jersey. This thread needs a serious case of HTFU. More whining than I've seen in months.

I'm not going to apologize for having an opinion. I would also say that my opinion is relatively informed. I've seen, worked on, and ridden quite a lot of high end bikes and have seen what works, what doesn't work, and what can be made to work easily. Among other things.
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Agreed. The frame set has MORE than enough hydration options for racing and training; just because they aren't in the traditional spot doesn't make them nonexistent. Many other new frames only have one spot available on down/seat tube and fewer bosses elsewhere
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Bro. That's the primary argument for disc brakes: improved modulation.


I sometimes wonder about these "advancements" in cycling technology are really just ways for people to get around the learning curve, and the bit of time and experience to use stuff properly! :)

Been "modulating" my braking just fine, with rim brakes for years. Never had a problem!

And thank you. A very apt, concise statement that I wish was my own. This would work well as a sig file.
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The new Cervelo is just a mythological item. ;-)
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Baboonator] [ In reply to ]
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True on training, but again, is 5 water bottles not enough when people can also toss 3-4 additional bottles in their jersey pockets?!

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Right but I don't see any reason why having a down tube is inherently faster.

Could be the same reason why the Trimble was slower; and what attributes the beam bikes for reduced drag...They allow air to move through the legs to 'fill in' the low pressure area behind the rider. I was wondering the same thing when statements were made regarding drag reduction...Were they done with modeling which included a rider? It is also too bad that they did not also incorporate some suspension in the form of an elastomer sleeve on the seatmast or perhaps a bumper at the bottom of the seatmast.

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I don't have a blind belief in disc brakes. I just know that betting against a good engineering team is not always a good idea. I also said we should wait and let the data show us. Reading skills are something we all learn in high school.

Yea, but there is nothing so damaging to good engineering than bad marketing...and that seems to describe most marketing these days.

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I thought the video on the Tririg site is quite interesting since it shows the bottle bosses and makes it a lot more obvious where the bottle cages could potentially go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uziVTZfEn1Q

The more I look at it, the more I think it's really impressive with potential for tons of hydration in training and a cleaner setup for racing. So the engineer in me likes this bike a lot.
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Omni has three ideal points for fluid storage. Two behind the saddle and one BTA. If you prefer a different cage, you can certainly swap them - Kappa uses a standard interface, so you could mount any cage you like.

If you need a fourth spot, the frame bosses are there. If a standard bottle is not to your liking, you could use an aero bottle as well. If three standard bottles + one aero bottle does not satisfy your fluid carriage needs, then you are outside what we consider ordinary athletic considerations for a long course athlete, particularly on a supported ride like an Ironman race. Of course, if you insist on five round bottles, then Omni may not be for you.

Storage is meant primarily to be done with the integrated. You could also mount a small saddle bag between your saddle and the Beta carrier, by adjusting Beta rearward. And if that were still not enough, you could use the seatpost bosses for additional storage options.

That is our recommended setup. But there are lots of variants an athlete could choose, given the many boss locations on Omni.

Love the fluid storage solution for the Omni, for any ironman distance race I prefer two normal bottles on the bike where BTA is a must since I can get any bottle given to me during the race fitted there and easily drink while still in the aero position. Seriously if you would draft behind me you would have a hard time to notice that I'm drinking from my BTA. Behind the sadle (non-aero bottles) can be setup faster than a frame based bottle cage (in most cases, per my understanding). Given my requirement of using standard bottles (supported races..) behind the seat kinda makes the best option as the most aero option. Indeed it would be cumbersome to drink from, but I only drink from the BTA bottle and switches only once, when it's empty. Must admit that I would miss a third bottle for hotter and longer training rides but that's easily fixed with two bottles behind the seat. And racing comes first.

Being 195cm/6'4 tall I'm happy it fits me perfect. Can actually go lower than I can today and still have 51.5cm of reach on size L. Big like.

Removable front derailleur Awesome!!! Why don't all TT-bikes have that? Been living in Switzerland for the last two years and now moving back to Sweden I see hardly any need to use anything smaller than 54/28 :-)

Interesting to see the fixed QR's solution. Racing professional I can easily admit if I would have a flat during a race...the prolonged time it would take to change the tube wouldn't be my biggest problem... I.e race would be over anyway. So going faster in a best case scenario is something I prefer much more.

A bigger bentobox would for me be much more needed than integrated fluid-storage.. The fluid-storage is IMO a PITA to keep clean, meanwhile the bentobox would be perfect for stocking 10 gels (if it fits in it).

A bit skeptical too the longevity of the frame, but find it a bit mean to rant about it on a tri-forum, before athletes have actually ride on it outside. If I had 5000 USD over I would easily purchase a frame :)

Impressed that Nick have features that other frame manufacturers should have had a long time ago (removable front derailleur)

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A couple of quick thoughts.

Firstly, kudos to anyone putting out a product which stretches the design envelope.

I actually most like that he's got rid of skewers. Skewers are ridiculous for triathletes - huge obstacles pushing out in the wind so that you can have a racing tyre-change. They don't make sense. This solution makes sense and I hope every new bike adopts this solution.

The orange hurts my eyes. What's wrong with black and white?

The bento is good, if it's a usable plastic. More of these on bikes please.

"We are in the process of completing a formal study of the final production version of Omni in the wind tunnel."

I'm sure it puts out good numbers, but until he shows us his version of the data, it's just eyeballs. And until there's independent data against a P5, the P5 is faster.

That said, Nick had a lot of criticisms of the Ventum when it came out, and they related to aerodynamics. Given that the Ventum completely lacks in verifiable data with a consistent protocol, let alone one with a rider, there are probably gains over that bike. Are they worth the cost of losing 1.4l of hydration between the arms and having to slow for refills? Not sure.

I like the front end. If it fits you (and it should fit most), it's a very good solution. I also very much like a no-cut fork. Yes please.

It's expensive, but what in triathlon isn't? If anything, expensive bikes with crazy designs push down the value of two triangle UCI legals by making them seem boring.

1x is the future.

Rim brakes forever.

TL:DR in God we trust, all others bring data.

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Does it -really- matter what the wind tunnel shows?
Does it matter if it's 30 seconds slower or faster over an Ironman distance (and would those tests be repeatable) for the average rider, compared to a P5??
I believe even Rappstar said that all the 'super bikes' are so close it doesn't matter, its more about all the other stuff - your position, helmet, etc.

Even if he does in fact release tunnel data, it's just going to be picked apart for whatever reason and thus won't mean anything. It'll either be he picked the wrong tunnel, he didn't have a rider, he tested the wrong yaw, wrong wheels, wrong tires, etc...


I think the bike looks awesome, but I'm not too keen on being one of the $5k testers... :(
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Exactly, especially when I have a NP2 frame with lifetime warranty that cost me about $1500
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1x is the future.

I don't get this. I'm a spinner with a preferred cadence of ~100rpm. I use a 50/34 with an 11/28 and find myself running out of gears in the courses I do. Can't imagine limiting myself further.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Timtek wrote:
georged wrote:

1x is the future.


I don't get this. I'm a spinner with a preferred cadence of ~100rpm. I use a 50/34 with an 11/28 and find myself running out of gears in the courses I do. Can't imagine limiting myself further.

That's probably because much like tubulars vs. clinchers and disc vs. rim, 1x vs. 2x is an emotional debate more than it is a logical one. If you prefer 100 rpms and ride hilly terrain and do not have an FT north of 5 W/kg, you aren't going to be content with 1x right now unless you roll a 10-42T cassette with a 44 on the front, and even then you'll probably complain about suboptimal cadence due to larger gaps between sprockets. It is of course the future because we'll soon have 10T and 9T little cogs on the roads along with 12 speeds to minimize gaps.
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Can you tell me about this NP2 frameset you got for $1,500?
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Impressed that Nick have features that other frame manufacturers should have had a long time ago (removable front derailleur)

Almost 30 y ago, Hooker was building bikes with a removable front derailleur hanger (and a hidden Allen bolt to hold the front wheel on, cables routed through the bars and stem into the frame, etc.). No Hirth joint, though!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [TriDave79] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty much agree with your whole post. This frame appears really well thought out given some of the obvious constraints he is working under. The geo appears sound given only three sizes to begin with and targeting as much of the market as possible. Surprised at some of the vitriol that seems based on the expectation that there be no design/production compromises for a small company releasing their first frame.

Only in triathlon would people complain that a bike with 6 water bottle bosses isn't enough.

Like others have mentioned, the make or break here is going to be in production quality and service. $5k for a frameset is a huge ball of cabbage. The user experience needs to be perfect.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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Sure, ST classifieds!! fully built new P2 through a STer who is also a dealer for $1,900 and sold parts to get frame down to about $1,500 and built it up from there. Full warranty and great deal!
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You probably already know this....but that was a fantastic deal seeing as how P2s list for $2800.
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Pooks wrote:
Like others have mentioned, the make or break here is going to be in production quality and service. $5k for a frameset is a huge ball of cabbage. The user experience needs to be perfect.

Yeah. And that's exactly where the vitriol comes from. Nick has a well documented history of production problems with the items he sells. Which is not typically a problem - Zipp, Trek, etc have production problems. But Nick is also very well known for being a supreme asshole when something goes wrong with an item he's sold you (reference cracking alpha-c bars, soda can shims for alpha x, etc). Who in their right mind, aware of this history, would risk buying a $5k product from this guy? Especially when there are so many other options from reputable manufacturers with proven track records of supporting their customers.

A number of people on this forum took some conversations over to facebook about this thread. In summary, karmas a bitch.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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He picked a good tunnel (San Diego). What remains to be seen is if his protocol is sound. There's one photo on his website of the prototype in the tunnel with the bars plugged and the aero extensions horizontal which is a good start. He could potentially put the exact same Alpha X on a P5-3 with an Omega X. Hopefully he also has aero data with a rider on.

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PubliusValerius wrote:
treyedr wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is wrong with the new Flo CC's in the rain? I was thinking about buying some this month, but would like to know about potential issues.


They just are terrible in the rain, and the carbon track braking in general lags the market. The tracks also scratch easily in wet conditions as debris accumulates on surface and sticks in the pads. Flo exhorts the customer to keep the track clear of debris, as if that's going to happen in inclement weather.

There has been one complaint of this issue in total. That complaint was taken care of. You're posting anonymously, but I'm quite confident we have already resolved this issue.

The one set of wheels that were in question in this case, did not require a full refund/replacement, but we did it anyway. I'm not sure what else we could have done in that case.


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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't say I'd tried them -- I have simply heard of the issue and seen it close up -- in fact, it was reported on the Flo thread as well -- and it's an issue I doubt is isolated. It is totally fine though -- there is room in the market for an otherwise solid budget wheel that is aerodynamic but simply does not have the braking/inclement weather performance of wheels that are 50% more expensive. You've filled that niche. It's a good thing. But if you can afford to spend $8k on a bike, you can typically afford to spend 50% more and pick up some Zipps.

ETA: I'm far from anonymous. I have several pictures of myself in my profile, and my prior username was my first name and last two initials. I prefer not to appear in Google searches for a variety of reasons. If you have an issue with my opinion, that's fine, but it's not because I am hiding my identity.
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PubliusValerius wrote:
I didn't say I'd tried them -- I have simply heard of the issue and seen it close up -- in fact, it was reported on the Flo thread as well -- and it's an issue I doubt is isolated. It is totally fine though -- there is room in the market for an otherwise solid budget wheel that is aerodynamic but simply does not have the braking/inclement weather performance of wheels that are 50% more expensive. You've filled that niche. It's a good thing. But if you can afford to spend $8k on a bike, you can typically afford to spend 50% more and pick up some Zipps.

ETA: I'm far from anonymous. I have several pictures of myself in my profile, and my prior username was my first name and last two initials. I prefer not to appear in Google searches for a variety of reasons. If you have an issue with my opinion, that's fine, but it's not because I am hiding my identity.

Again, there has been one issue "bad" enough for the customer to contact us and we did a full refund/replacement even though it wasn't required. So if there are other "issues" as you are suggesting, our customers certainly aren't concerned enough to contact us about it.


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Fair enough...for what it's worth, rim-based brake tracks are so 2015 anyways.
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I didn't know Andy Coggan's janky AF low speed wind tunnel was capable of outputting such heat maps.

"Janky"? That home built wind tunnel is neither junky nor skanky...



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Well, it was the source of Nick's ~2W drag reduction claim on the Omega X, I believe. And the ERO guys found that to understate same by a factor of three. So, in a word: janky.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:


Yup and that's why I'll (probably) never buy a tri bike with disc brakes. I travel to a lot of races. Unless your disc brake super bike is somehow 30secs/40km faster than my rim brake super bike (good luck, it's not happening) I'm not changing.


Everyone keeps saying this but I have faith in a good engineering team. I think we will be surprised once disc brake tri bikes come out. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand, we should be optimistic and let the data prove it.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a true "best vs. best" comparison though...we haven't seen it so far, so there's no reason to think we'll see it in the future.

Heck...we can't even get anyone to provide actual independent braking performance data on an "apples to apples" basis :-/



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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If my wind tunnel data are "janky", so are the results of three other wind tunnel tests using complete bicycles.

I will let readers decide whether that is likely to be true, or whether it is Ero's field tests (a notoriously fickle approach, even when testing is performed on an indoor track by experienced individuals...just ask Alex Simmons about his Campy Shamal testing) that are more likely to be in error.
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FindinFreestyle wrote:
If this bike is 5 watts faster than a P5 frameset, that is pretty substantial. If I cant hit 16cm of drop off a 78cm seat height, that is a deal breaker.


5 watts faster than a P5 frameset doesn't mean anything without the devilish details. 5 watts at what speed? With a rider onboard or just a magical bike riding itself in the tunnel? Dimond's data shows a big savings against a P5 (three) and a low end Shiv, but it vanishes when the rider is onboard. TriRig (and Ero) also state that one can save 4-5 watts just by replacing a stock front brake with an Omega X, again, without much detail in terms of speed, power output, etc...TriRig claims that a P2 with their aero bar is faster than a P5, so how much of the Omni performance is related to the bar and not the unconventional frame?

Will be interesting to see what kind of data they put out there. Personally, I've learned that I need to have access to two bottles, one with an energy drink and one that is just water to help me digest, so the aero savings is likely moot on the Omni for me unless it outweighs me stopping to take a drink from the rear mounted hydration :)
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zachboring wrote:
The only real reason to resist discs is the thought of 1000 bikes on a course all squealing their brakes and me having to hear it.

Triathletes as a general population do not understand the word "maintenance". Bent rotors, dirty/oily rotor, dirty pads etc. will be the norm. oh jeez, I'm cringing just thinking about it. Nothing pisses me off more than getting rotor squeal on the tail.

I laugh every time I rinse the dirt off of my "drop bar rigid MTB" (AKA gravel bike) and the disc brakes squeal afterwards. The solution seems to be constantly wiping down the rotors with isopropanol after the rinse...kind of a PITA.



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
Yes, within ten days of owning them (via eBay, only lost $200 luckily... expensive demo lol). I'm on 404 NSWs now and I'm 99% sure this will be my "one wheel set" going forward especially once I get my super-nifty wheel cover from Australia ;) The braking on the NSWs is really really really good. I need to write up a review but I'd say they're as good as my regular aluminum HED Jets in the wet (though I'm not sure if this would change with sustained braking... not a lot of that around here in CFL) and I actually prefer them to aluminum in the dry. Great modulation and, strangely, I think the audio provides feedback that helps in this regard.

Interesting somewhat related side note: when I was younger, I was one of the first people through the doors of the Titleist Performance Institute in Carlsbad. I went once every two months for a few days of observed practice and occasional experimentation. One of the experiments was to hit putts with noise-canceling headphones on (the type that make it so you can't here anything). Surprisingly neither I, nor anyone else they had through the door (world class pros included), was able to tell what type of a ball we were using while putting (the A/B was a super soft Tour Balata and a super hard "distance whatever"). Take the headphones off and we could tell with near 100% accuracy. What we thought was "feel" was really audio feedback.

I've long thought that part of the "modulation" perception of road disc brakes has to do with auditory feedback as well...they just "sound" different.



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Could be worse. I get home. Take my car out - a tuned WRX and I'm like "wtf is that noise to my wife"

She says "I told you it was noisy"

I said you drove this? It has no f@@king brakes. It should be off the road. Your dad drove it?

Pads. Discs and rotors - metal on metal.

There is a reason my wife does not touch my bikes.
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PubliusValerius wrote:
ETA: I'm far from anonymous.


I would agree with that, Kiley Austin-Young
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Glad we can agree on something, AC
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wsrobert wrote:
There are just a large number of luddite, curmudgeons here who resist change. I mean Tom A goes on and on...and on and on about his custom steel (or aluminum?) frame that performs as well as an S5. Blah blah. Whatever. Ride your old technology into the sunset. I applaud his persistence (though of all the things we waste time on here this seems a rather odd one to dig your feet into - as if anyone on this board has any influence on what manufacturers build) in the face of the beginnings of a sea of change in the industry.

The moment reputable data exists showing discs are faster, people will be clearing the garages and selling their children to fund a new stable of wheels and bikes. And those who don't...probably also believe the earth is flat.

ETA: also your blind belief in the advances of disc brakes, in the absence of data, is just as laughable. I bet you were an awesome cheerleader in high school though.

"Curmudgeon"? Yeah, I'm old...but surly and/or ill-tempered? Not so much.

"Luddite"? Not so much on that one either. I'm an engineer. Technological change is my bread and butter...but, technological change that is a mis-optimization is my mortal enemy :-P

Oh yeah...I think you might be surprised at how much influence the posts on ST can have in the cycling industry...seriously.



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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As others have said, when you are offering the bike in one color, you should pick something more neutral.

I understand that TriRig has branded itself with this particular shade of orange. But Cannondale has also branded itself with a color - green - and they don't make all of their bikes green. Hell Bianchi doesn't even make all its bikes in celeste, though there are some who would say they should.

When a bike manufacturer offers a bike in a colorway that is not "down the middle," eg orange/black and not something more neutral, they almost invariably offer a second or third option, for the simple reason that when you go out on a limb with a color, not all riders want to go out on that limb with you.

It would be one thing if the orange/black design was an option on the Omni, but when it's the ONLY option? I think that's mistake.

BTW I think there is a LOT to like about this bike, and some have been way too critical of it. But yeah, it's not perfect (if such a thing could exist).
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refthimos wrote:
As others have said, when you are offering the bike in one color, you should pick something more neutral.

I understand that TriRig has branded itself with this particular shade of orange. But Cannondale has also branded itself with a color - green - and they don't make all of their bikes green. Hell Bianchi doesn't even make all its bikes in celeste, though there are some who would say they should.

When a bike manufacturer offers a bike in a colorway that is not "down the middle," eg orange/black and not something more neutral, they almost invariably offer a second or third option, for the simple reason that when you go out on a limb with a color, not all riders want to go out on that limb with you.

It would be one thing if the orange/black design was an option on the Omni, but when it's the ONLY option? I think that's mistake.

BTW I think there is a LOT to like about this bike, and some have been way too critical of it. But yeah, it's not perfect (if such a thing could exist).

You could have spend 1/4 of the time it took you to write this post to see on their website that they're offering the bike in like 6 different colors. Or you could have just read this thread.
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refthimos wrote:
It would be one thing if the orange/black design was an option on the Omni, but when it's the ONLY option? I think that's mistake.

BTW I think there is a LOT to like about this bike, and some have been way too critical of it.

Including you, I would say. ;)

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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They are offering six different color decals. That's not the same. If you are going to need to apply decals, why not make the base colors light grey on black and allow Nick to put orange decals on his bike.

Aside from that, you still have orange rails on the saddle and orange accents on the bars and stem. Which would make me insane, personally, having such clashes on my bicycle.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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If the orange is just one particular sticker set on top of the clearcoat, which you can peel off and either leave off the bike (a pet peeve of mine, why would any of us want adhesive stickers on our aero stuff anyways - I peel them off my carbon wheels all the time) or replace with another color, then you are right, no issues here and a good way to go on colorway.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
refthimos wrote:

It would be one thing if the orange/black design was an option on the Omni, but when it's the ONLY option? I think that's mistake.

BTW I think there is a LOT to like about this bike, and some have been way too critical of it.


Including you, I would say. ;)

http://www.tririg.com/...60/000_Store_778.jpg

Actually no.

As written, on his site, it indicates the PAINT is orange. And then consumers get to layer on stickers.

And if that's not true, it should be written to reflect.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Again...he built a bike for himself. Hopefully you all like it too!

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:
refthimos wrote:

It would be one thing if the orange/black design was an option on the Omni, but when it's the ONLY option? I think that's mistake.

BTW I think there is a LOT to like about this bike, and some have been way too critical of it.


Including you, I would say. ;)

http://www.tririg.com/...60/000_Store_778.jpg

Actually no.

As written, on his site, it indicates the PAINT is orange. And then consumers get to layer on stickers.

And if that's not true, it should be written to reflect.

The bottom line is that orange/black is not the only option.
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Uh yeah.

Just like I could apply stickers all over my Specialized or Cervelo. Of course its not the only option.

But Nick offers one option with PAINT. And thats orange and black.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Random aside: what about hydraulic rim brakes with a third brake lever on one of the aero bars?

WTB: TriRig Omega SV (not x). PM me if you have one :)
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Andrew Coggan wrote:
The bottom line is that orange/black is not the only option.

Well if the orange is under the clearcoat, then it is the only option if you don't want to slap stickers on top of your brand new clearcoated frame (which add weight, can get ripped or otherwise peel off, etc).

And if stickers on top of clearcoat are acceptable in a sleek TT rig, then why not just offer orange in the stickers like the other colors and not give it non-removable status under the clearcoat?
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How many other bike manufacturers offer 6 color combinations at no extra charge?

Edit: Oh fu%$, I didn't realize they were decals you have to apply over the hideous orange paint. That sucks.
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Regarding the various comments on TriRig's track record, it is important to keep us and every brand accountable, and we welcome the criticism. Yes, we have run afoul of problems in the past. We take these issues seriously, and do our utmost to address concerns in the most efficient, thorough, and reliable way. Not everyone is always satisfied, and we continue to strive to improve both customer satisfaction and the objective quality of our products. We've made mistakes in the past, and we are constantly working to understand them, address them, and improve our processes and products.

That being said, I'd like to provide a little bit of context to the relative magnitude of those kinds of issues. When we have replaced defective product in the past, is has been on the order of 100-200 units, total, across all products, throughout the lifetime of our business. This represents about 1% replacement. Certainly we can do better, and we continue to strive to do so. However, I mention these numbers illustrate the bigger picture, which is that we have thousands upon thousands of satisfied customers, and a much smaller number of dissatisfied ones.

We absolutely welcome objective criticism, customer feedback, and the like. We want to always do better, and grow our existing base of satisfied and repeat customers.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Again...he built a bike for himself. Hopefully you all like it too!

Nailed it!
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
They are offering six different color decals. That's not the same. If you are going to need to apply decals, why not make the base colors light grey on black and allow Nick to put orange decals on his bike.

Aside from that, you still have orange rails on the saddle and orange accents on the bars and stem. Which would make me insane, personally, having such clashes on my bicycle.


Sure, but you still have more options than most manufacturers (although if it's a decal applied over the orange paint, nevermind. And oof.)

I mean, there's plenty to be skeptical about here, but the colors are pretty minor. People still buy Cervelo and those things are hideous.
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treyedr wrote:
How many other bike manufacturers offer 6 color combinations at no extra charge?

Edit: Oh fu%$, I didn't realize they were decals you have to apply over the hideous orange paint. That sucks.
At present, we can take requests for which color you'd like under the clearcoat. The default is orange, but you can put in a request for any color at this time. As long as we haven't completed paint on your particular batch of bikes from the factory, we will accommodate the request at no charge. And you'll still get decals for the other colors. This may change once production is rolling at a steady pace, a couple months from now.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
Random aside: what about hydraulic rim brakes with a third brake lever on one of the aero bars?


Totally possible.

Edit: Thinking about this some more...it's actually virtually ONLY possible to do this with hydraulic rim brakes rather than hydraulic road discs, for the main reason that hydro rim calipers typically are run on a "closed" system (no reservoir), while for thermal expansion and pad wear reasons the disc are run on an "open" system. Since the reservoir is usually in the lever, if you have 2 levers attached to an open system, you'll just transfer fluid between the 2 lever reservoirs when one or the other is activated.

The one "gotcha" is that SRAM, in their infinite wisdom, decided to use the levers with reservoirs to activate their hyrdro rim brakes :-/ That said, the Magura TT rim brakes should work fine with a secondary lever "Tee'd" into the line...just don't activate both levers at the same time, or you might crush your rim ;-)

Which brings up another aside...do either Shimano or SRAM even offer a hydro TT brake lever at the moment??



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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Again...he built a bike for himself. Hopefully you all like it too!

Couldn't agree more. I was very-much looking forward to the release -- sorely disappointed, for many of the reasons outlined on this thread. And that's coming from someone who drinks the TriRig kool-aid.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know. This bike is innovative and will probably cause other manufacturers to rethink their design process. I want the integrated skewers on my bike(s)!!! Every time I look down I think "there has to be a more aero way of doing this".
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Andrew,

Sadly I wasn't around snooping for bike 30 years ago. I guess I should have written: "I am impressed that Nick have features that I think some big brand frame manufacturers should have had a long time ago (i.e removable front derailleur)"

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Don't get the whole 'he built a bike for himself'....

Lots of manufacturers only offer 1 color for a model, with no option to change it in any way.

How about Dimond, or Ventum? They come in one color. Want different color lettering? Starts at $500 US upcharge for Dimond.

Trek offers custom colors, but $$$ for project 1.

I think the bike looks awesome, even happen to like the orange.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [TriRig] [ In reply to ]
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Good to hear. You'll probably get a lot of requests for white.

'It never gets easier, you just get crazier.'
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Typical Aerogeeks...adds nothing to the conversation except unsubstantiated hyperbole.
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Typical Aerogeeks...adds nothing to the conversation except unsubstantiated hyperbole.

Well it looks nice but no idea whether it functions structurally or is indeed super slippery. At least the new spy shot Cervelo seems to tick one of those boxes.

SteveMc
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [SteveMc] [ In reply to ]
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Where is the new spy shot and why is it not posted on ST.

As for the Omni, I like the overall design of the bike. Not sure how it performs at this point but there are a lot of good ideas that have gone into the design. I am not sure I like the covers on the brakes as I see them going on the side of the road somewhere so at least 1 screw holding them on would have been nice.


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BMANX wrote:
Where is the new spy shot and why is it not posted on ST.

As for the Omni, I like the overall design of the bike. Not sure how it performs at this point but there are a lot of good ideas that have gone into the design. I am not sure I like the covers on the brakes as I see them going on the side of the road somewhere so at least 1 screw holding them on would have been nice.

Errr.... just look at the thread entitled "Cervelo P5X photo?????"

I agree the design of the Omni and also the new Reap bike are nice, I'm just concerned with how thin the chain stays are on both designs as, from what I understand, these need to be beefed up once you remove the seat stays.

I also like the frame that Marc Battistella has been working on. However if Cervelo have a beam bike then I don't see how that won't sell more than all the others combined due to their popularity, brand awareness and ability to get them into shops around the world.

SteveMc
p.s. A little bit of glue or double sided tape would ensure the brake covers stay on a bit longer.
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Keep up doing your fantastic job!
Thanks for awesome products!
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SteveMc wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Typical Aerogeeks...adds nothing to the conversation except unsubstantiated hyperbole.

Well it looks nice but no idea whether it functions structurally or is indeed super slippery. At least the new spy shot Cervelo seems to tick one of those boxes.

SteveMc

You can see from the spyshot that its either superslippery or functions structurally?
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In hand photos from aerogeeks...

http://aerogeeks.com/2016/09/21/interbike-2016-tririg-omni/
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed - not sure why people keep linking to that page. They bring zero science or first hand knowledge to the discussion - no testing just photos and how it looks fast.

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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS COMING!!!! [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:


Which brings up another aside...do either Shimano or SRAM even offer a hydro TT brake lever at the moment??


The new Shimano Metrea groupset has hydro brake levers designed to go on the end of bull bar levers.



Obviously they have an urban application in mind but there's no reason why they couldn't be repurposed for a triathlon disc braked bike (inward shudder)

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SteveMc[/quote]

You can see from the spyshot that its either superslippery or functions structurally?[/quote]

Well, someone is riding the bike in the Cervelo shot. That shows at least a degree of structural functionality. I believe that was the point being made.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Typical Aerogeeks...adds nothing to the conversation except unsubstantiated hyperbole.

Ha. I could not agree more.

I've never understood how they call themselves "aero geeks" when their bikes on the front page are anything but aero. And then they do so called "reviews" on products that have been out for a year or two. SMH.

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There is video of the omnj being ridden on the tririg site, so... plus the cervelo pic hasnt really shown us anything, the omni is at least a real bike.
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stevej wrote:
when their bikes on the front page are anything but aero.


Trolling? I got my Felt DA down to near sub 0.2 CdA as a 6'3" rider. Gauntlet thrown. I'll race my DA anytime, anyplace. (as long as there's no running or swimming before/after). Still waiting for something I want to replace it with. #feltmafia

Also they did contribute something to the Omni discussion. I believe that's the best set of pictures of the Omni to-date, by far.
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trail wrote:
stevej wrote:
when their bikes on the front page are anything but aero.


Trolling? I got my Felt DA down to near sub 0.2 CdA as a 6'3" rider. Gauntlet thrown. I'll race my DA anytime, anyplace. (as long as there's no running or swimming before/after). Still waiting for something I want to replace it with. #feltmafia

Also they did contribute something to the Omni discussion. I believe that's the best set of pictures of the Omni to-date, by far.

While I am not 6'3", I've gotten down below 0.2 CdA on my DA and I'll take the same position that the bike is not holding me back, either. Great thing about the DA is the low and long geo, which seems to be lacking in other bikes.

Also, can't help but agree on the photo coverage of the omni as well. Their photos actually made me reverse course on my opinion of the bike from it being ugly to something I might actually consider.
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Wow, didn't think I'd be impressed but that's one nice looking bike. I can't see myself putting down the money to get any of the superbikes, but if I ever was to get one I'd like to try and make this one work. Very, very nice job on the aesthetics. Hope it does well on the road.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [LAI] [ In reply to ]
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I agree, useful pics. But the bento box seemed awfully small though, like Felt IA small.
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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snaaijert wrote:
I agree, useful pics. But the bento box seemed awfully small though, like Felt IA small.

Needs trash can
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Re: TRIRIG OMNI IS HERE!!! [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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