I don't know what they are, but someone with that many clients is not a coach.

A few corrections to some things stated in various posts with in this thread...

1. the price is not going up
2. the HTML5 version is coming out of beta
3. the current Flex version is not going anywhere, you will continue to have access to it.

"We will continue to add brand new features in addition to bringing over the Power Profile Chart, Annual Training Plan (ATP), and Virtual Coach (VC)." Yes Power Profile, ATP and VC are not new features as they currently exist in the Flex version but there are other features which are new coming.

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

If you are a full time coach, managing 50 athletes with various levels of coaching commitment (weekly vs. monthly) isn't uncommon.

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

Previously an upgrade to the UI has been used as an excuse to bump the price. Who doesn't expect the same now?
What it should have been seen as an attempt to retain customers as the offering was falling being the curve.

The flex version is going to be retained for the few years until the HTML5 version is finished?

And these new features that are being brought in - going to guess "cannot discuss the roadmap". Vapourware.......

Now please do revert to your usual personal insults of people who aren't won over by beta.

I've been testing it for a little since I discovered it, so far I like it but I can't say if I'm moving from TP to ST - time will tell. But the interface is much cleaner than TP, and the current fact that I need to switch back and forth between new and classic on TP when I want to adjust settings is not ideal.

Please fix calories being imported as "0" on Suunto ambit TCX files ;)

The price is not going up, I'm not sure where in the thread it was posted but it is not changing. Do prices go up over time, yes. But the HTML5 version coming out of beta won't cause prices to go up.

The Flex version will be available until the HTML5 version is feature equivalent. This has been repeated over and over and over again.

I'm not hurling insults, I'm just correcting some things that were said. I spend some of my free time here helping people with TP related questions, that's all. If you could see my ST message box it is filled with messages asking for assistance, including at least one from you :)

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

I use Training Peaks as an athlete and as a coach.

1.
My price is not going up. I do get a choice of another plan though.
2.
I can still use the Classic version and by all accounts that isn't going anywhere, I assume until all the existing functionality is ported over. I do have another option which is the cleaner looking new version. So now I get a choice.

I kind of know what the fuss is about - there is a new version, everyone would like the new thing.

But if it does't quite work for you yet then just use the old one. As it is all Training peaks did is give you an extra choice of version, which will improve over time, and an extra choice of payment plan. Saying "Training Peaks offered me something extra ... I'm out of here!" is a bit strange isn't it?

I think there is a bit of familiarity breeds contempt going on. The more you use something the more you get annoyed that it does't do exactly what you personally want. I get like that very quickly. I haven't found anything better yet.

That said .... communication between coach and athlete AND the coach and the team of athletes via the coaching interface is something that no-one has managed yet I don't think. There is a new program, Training Tilt, which goes some way to address that with their athlete dashboard but even they bow down to Training Peaks when it comes to data, they even log their athletes directly into Training Peaks and use the TP calendar. TP is almost an essential part of their site.

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https://www.pbandjcoaching.com
https://www.thisbigroadtrip.com

The elimination of ngb per-athlete discounts for coaches is a pretty big price increase.

For those people whose coach pays for the trainingpeaks membership, at least some of them will see their prices go up. Depends on whether or not the coach is willing to eat the added cost.

You can keep repeating it but no one will or should believe you, particularly if they were around for the first big upgrade.

We were told the same thing when flex came out, "Oh we'll move all the functionality over to flex, don't you worry!"

Didn't happen, my bet is it won't happen this time either.

One could argue they learned from that mistake but if I spent my time getting upset about things that might happen I'd be a very angry man...

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

Any idea when they are going to move WKO+ 4.0 from the vaporware aisle to the you can now purchase it aisle?

I mean it's almost a full year late.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
Accelerate3 Coaching
Insta

The last update Gear posted stated "end of year" which would mean the next 9 or so weeks.

Vapourware is a fun word to use but the latest versions have been shown publicly in the last few weeks.

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

My bad. Wispy, thin vapors that wear on you bc you can't put your hand on them.

BFD that it's been shown publicly.

TP still took it in the ass on this, possibly twice or three times those dirty bastards, with the non roll out roll out of WKO 4.

You call it a fun word I call it the truth and a failure on TP's part since I can't get a copy 10+ months after I should have been able to. End of the year means it's only 54 weeks late.

Failure.
EDIT: Don't read this with any malice, I just find it funny that people are willing to defend a HUGE failure on TP's part.

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Brian Stover USAT LII
Accelerate3 Coaching
Insta

In reality there were two choices, release something buggy and missing key features or delay to get it right. It's a lose/lose situation for all.

I worked for Microsoft when Vista was released and let me tell you I wish we had waited :)

EDIT to reply to your edit :) - I'm not defending anything, I've been waiting just as long as everyone else :)

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

For what it's worth I saw and got to dig into what seemed like a polished product at Interbike, some powerful stuff.

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Amazonian

Hunter Allen was recently in NZ delivering training using WKO4 as well. It does look really good, and my last bit of info (before Interbike timeframe) was that there were a couple bugs to be ironed out.

Maybe we need a countdown timer to midnight (Mountain Time), December 31, 2014 :)

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

$10 a month is not a "pretty big price increase" and it's the first coaching price increase in 10 years :) And it only affects a small number of coaches who were on the Premium Only plan. The majority of coaches who use Unlimited Basic client with a few Premium clients will see a small price drop. The following is straight from the horses mouth so to speak.....

Unlimited Basic Coach ($49 +$9 per premium athlete, unlimited basic athletes) is now Coach Edition Unlimited ($49 + $9 per premium athlete with one free premium athlete, unlimited basic athletes) so coaches on this plan are going to see a decrease monthly cost of $9 if they have more than one Premium athlete.

Coach Edition is limited to 5 athletes ($19 + $9 per premium athlete with one free premium athlete, up to 4 basic athletes) so the max this coach could pay for his/her 5 athletes is $55/month which is $10 more per month compared to using Premium Only ($9 per premium athlete)

If a coach was Premium only with more than 5 then their monthly cost will got up $40 per month as they get moved to Coach Edition Unlimited which will they see a price increase of $40, or about $4 per client if they had 10 Premium athletes.

Full details are posted here.

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

Can anyone comment on the plusses of TP over Golden Cheetah?

This thread is like Angry Birds .... without the Birds.

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https://www.pbandjcoaching.com
https://www.thisbigroadtrip.com

So a typical ST thread then? :) /Pink

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

Apples and oranges. Golden Cheetah is not multisport and lives on your local computer. TP is multisport and lives on the cloud. I use TP premium for overall tracking of training across all my sports and day to day analysis. After a couple of abortive attempts I've recently been immersing myself in Golden Cheetah and finally feel like I have a handle on it. It took me some time to get past the dense interface (it is a free program, after all) but it has a lot of power for in depth bike power analysis. If you want to do things such as aero field testing or look at different critical power or PMC models, etc., GC is the place to go. The tools in TP are good enough for most analysis, the interface is much more user friendly, and it gives you the multisport big picture which is important for most of us.

Agree. That would be too much.

It depends....

A full time, head coach for a team might have 50+ clients with the assistance of multiple assistant coaches and still be under one account. This would be pretty common. A single coach with 50+ clients, well they'd be REALLY busy ;)

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Rodney
TrainingPeaks | Altra Running | RAD Roller
http://www.goinglong.ca

Yes, that could be done for sure. But not as a one man show!

The lone coach in that situation would require numerous assistant coaches, IMO. Unless the programs were cut and paste instead of individualized!

When does this go into affect and is there an email notice of the fee structure changes?