Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 19:35

Post #276 of 792 (11899 views)

tranzformer wrote:

Carl Spackler wrote:

Right, he's a poor bike hander like we saw before with Madison World Championships, Road World Championship, MSR, and 100 other road victories.

I'm begging you guys: please stop with the idiotic comments.

I see the myth continues that Cav is a decent bike handler. FYI none of those palmers has anything to do with bike handling skills. More to do with his raw power and his aero position during sprint. His handling skills still are lousy for someone as established as him.

which is known to be on the low side.

Cav is good because of his tenacity and instincts. The man can win without a lead-out train.

as for his bike handling skills, bad bike handling gets found out quite pretty quick in the Madison

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 19:35

Post #277 of 792 (11899 views)

tranzformer wrote:

Carl Spackler wrote:

Right, he's a poor bike hander like we saw before with Madison World Championships, Road World Championship, MSR, and 100 other road victories.

I'm begging you guys: please stop with the idiotic comments.

I see the myth continues that Cav is a decent bike handler. FYI none of those palmers has anything to do with bike handling skills. More to do with his raw power and his aero position during sprint. His handling skills still are lousy for someone as established as him.

Cav's bike handling skills > tranzformer's trolling skills

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [tranzformer] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 19:41

Post #278 of 792 (11890 views)

tranzformer wrote:

Carl Spackler wrote:

Right, he's a poor bike hander like we saw before with Madison World Championships, Road World Championship, MSR, and 100 other road victories.

I'm begging you guys: please stop with the idiotic comments.

I see the myth continues that Cav is a decent bike handler. FYI none of those palmers has anything to do with bike handling skills. More to do with his raw power and his aero position during sprint. His handling skills still are lousy for someone as established as him.

Good lord.....you were being serious.

You have seen the descent off the Poggio, right? Just that alone shows he can handle a bike quite well.

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [echappist] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 19:57

Post #279 of 792 (11876 views)

Probably need to explain that Madison is in reference to a track event and not a city in Wisconsin where a triathlon is held.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 20:18

Post #280 of 792 (11860 views)

Although the Madison race was named after a Madison place ;-). But seriously how would it even be possible for a bunch sprint as successful as Cav not to be a gfreat bike handler? Crap the final 5 km looks like racing in a pinb all machine most sprint stages.

Styrrell

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Jason N] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 20:59

Post #281 of 792 (11835 views)

Jason N wrote:

Ahillock wrote:

Jason N wrote:

x2. If you watch the entire finish, you'll see just how hard that last left bend is considering they've already wound up their sprint at close to 50 mph. It's the reason why Greipel lost to Kittel...because he didn't take the right line into and out of the turn. If you're a lead out guy and are going to sit up before that turn, you better be ready for guys like Cav or Sagan to be coming any which way around you and cutting you off to get into that turn. To me, that's part of bike racing.

80 km/h? You might want to knock that down to 50-60 km/h.

Okay...50 mph was a nice round number and an exagerration given a flat finish..but it's likely a lot higher than 50-60 km/h considering Orica Green Edge averaged 57.8 km/h for 25k in the TTT. 70ish km/h or somewhere under 45 mph for a flat finish.

I was just stating that the guys weren't doing 50mph prior to that last left hand bend in the sprint. At max speed on a perfectly flat sprint stage, those guys get up to 45-48 mph. On this stage with the technical turn, those guys are probably doing 36-37 mph (hence 60 km/h) into the last turn and then turned it up into the low 40 mph range to the finish line. The 50 km/h hour guys I was thinking about were the leadout guys who were peeling off and just freewheeling it in as they were getting passed at a good clip by the big boys.

No way I see those guys going 50mph into the last turn as most of those guys top out in the mid to upper 40mph range for their top speed.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [gregf83] [ In reply to ]

Jul 9, 13 21:31

Post #282 of 792 (11803 views)

gregf83 wrote:

Cav's bike handling skills > tranzformer's trolling skills

Winner!

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 1:32

Post #283 of 792 (11742 views)

Carl Spackler wrote:

CN reported that Renshaw is signed with OPQS for 2014. Watch out.

Now they need to get Eisel on a contract and we could see the "old train" reunited. What a team that would be again.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 1:44

Post #284 of 792 (11734 views)

The crash was caused by:

Veelers drifting right slightly -- 10%
Veelers being spent and not alert enough to handle any body contact-- 20%;
Cav having to steer left to chase Greipel's wheel and over confident he could pass Veelers in one swing -- 30%
Sh*t just happens in a sprint -- 40%

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [threefire] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 3:45

Post #285 of 792 (11703 views)

threefire wrote:

The crash was caused by:

Veelers drifting right slightly -- 10%
Veelers being spent and not alert enough to handle any body contact-- 20%;
Cav having to steer left to chase Greipel's wheel and over confident he could pass Veelers in one swing -- 30%
Sh*t just happens in a sprint -- 40%[/

You guys finished?
Listen up.
What really happened is he saw he was not going to win easily so he became in a 100th of a second a pouty baby and threw his shoulder into the closest rider just cuz he felt like it. That's what the best bike riders in the world do. They intentionally try to hurt each other. Look at what Ryder H did to that poor Sky kid. He was pissed that the kid took such a great pull the day before so he sent him into the woods for a little camping trip, like hey Punk, mind your ps and qs buster!
It's just like hockey. Or baseball. A pitcher gives up a homer, so he plunks the next batter. Got it?

It's just Cav's version of Tyler Farrar's acting out which usually occurred back at the bus. Only Cav, as we know, is quicker than Tyler.

(Pink, pink, pink, wtf, wtf, wtf...)

Last edited by: McNulty: Jul 10, 13 3:56

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 5:19

Post #286 of 792 (11650 views)

McNulty wrote:

threefire wrote:

The crash was caused by:

Veelers drifting right slightly -- 10%
Veelers being spent and not alert enough to handle any body contact-- 20%;
Cav having to steer left to chase Greipel's wheel and over confident he could pass Veelers in one swing -- 30%
Sh*t just happens in a sprint -- 40%[/

You guys finished?
Listen up.
What really happened is he saw he was not going to win easily so he became in a 100th of a second a pouty baby and threw his shoulder into the closest rider just cuz he felt like it. That's what the best bike riders in the world do. They intentionally try to hurt each other. Look at what Ryder H did to that poor Sky kid. He was pissed that the kid took such a great pull the day before so he sent him into the woods for a little camping trip, like hey Punk, mind your ps and qs buster!
It's just like hockey. Or baseball. A pitcher gives up a homer, so he plunks the next batter. Got it?

It's just Cav's version of Tyler Farrar's acting out which usually occurred back at the bus. Only Cav, as we know, is quicker than Tyler.

(Pink, pink, pink, wtf, wtf, wtf...)

I am not sure if your "pinks" are for real or sarcastic, but I agree with your analysis. We know Cav has a big temper and the shoulder he threw was a motion that was inconsistent with any other movement he made during the sprint (i.e. he was not moving his body violently from side to side as he sprinted). My guess is when Cav realised that Veelers had slowed down and lost the two in front, Cav got pissed because he realised he had just lost the sprint - he then went for it anyway, but along the way threw the shoulder as if to say "wtf are you doing - don't screw up my lead out again".

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [McNulty] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 5:30

Post #287 of 792 (11631 views)

BBC reporting that Cav was sprayed with urine by a spectator. Disgusting.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Dell1888] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 6:05

Post #288 of 792 (11581 views)

Dell1888 wrote:

BBC reporting that Cav was sprayed with urine by a spectator. Disgusting.

The urinater threw right, and Cavendish leaned left, incidental contact! It happens.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [styrrell] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 6:10

Post #289 of 792 (11571 views)

styrrell wrote:

Although the Madison race was named after a Madison place

Yes, Madison Square Garden

http://en.wikipedia.org/...adison_%28cycling%29

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Dell1888] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 6:37

Post #290 of 792 (11539 views)

Just read seen that. Absolutely disgraceful. Hope they catch the individual that did it.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Dell1888] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:03

Post #291 of 792 (11516 views)

Someone thought they were in a swimming pool?

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [DaveyP] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:13

Post #292 of 792 (11496 views)

Have Paul or Phil mentioned it at all? They haven't since I've been watching.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Dell1888] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:16

Post #293 of 792 (11484 views)

Dell1888 wrote:

BBC reporting that Cav was sprayed with urine by a spectator. Disgusting.

If I were him, I'd be pissed

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [randymar] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:19

Post #294 of 792 (11476 views)

When urine the Tour you have to expect some crazy fans.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Bigringonly] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:20

Post #295 of 792 (11476 views)

Bigringonly wrote:

Dell1888 wrote:

BBC reporting that Cav was sprayed with urine by a spectator. Disgusting.

The urinater threw right, and Cavendish leaned left, incidental contact! It happens.

couldn't happen to a better guy...

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [PastaPower] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:28

Post #296 of 792 (11451 views)

PastaPower wrote:

When urine the Tour you have to expect some crazy fans.

Good thing they weren't shitty fans

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Dell1888] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:39

Post #297 of 792 (11435 views)

How does he know that it was urine? Color? Smell? Taste?

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Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Lederman] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:41

Post #298 of 792 (11425 views)

anyone know of an online site to view LIVE without paying a fee? Looked but can't seem to find any live video of the stages.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [T_rex] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 7:42

Post #299 of 792 (11423 views)

Well, after Andy's TT we can put him down in the clean or near-clean column. Wow.

Re: 2013 TdF thread (spoiler alert) [Lederman] [ In reply to ]

Jul 10, 13 8:08

Post #300 of 792 (11390 views)

Any estimates on Froome's time. My algorithm predicts around 36 min 53 seconds. (depending on how much he has to slow in the sharp turns).

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