but do you have a CSN lyric to share?

but do you have a CSN lyric to share?

but do you have a CSN lyric to share?

TR has an amazing library of workouts. Better than Zwift in that regard. But Zwift is better than TR in every other way imaginable. Graphics, social scene, races, competition, pro cycling/triathlon involvement, cultural buzz, etc...
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Am I the only one who reads this and thinks that TR> Zwift simply for the lack of all the other noise? Social scene? Cultural buzz? We're triathletes for crying out loud.

TR has an amazing library of workouts. Better than Zwift in that regard. But Zwift is better than TR in every other way imaginable. Graphics, social scene, races, competition, pro cycling/triathlon involvement, cultural buzz, etc...
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Am I the only one who reads this and thinks that TR> Zwift simply for the lack of all the other noise? Social scene? Cultural buzz? We're triathletes for crying out loud.

TR is plenty popular but the UI/UX is just plain fucking lazy for a paid app in 2018. Zwift made me actually want to train indoors. TR made it a chore that I had to do in order to get faster quick.

Also - I know it is silly - but I like having miles attached to my indoor workouts. I know that they are very "directional" (read meaningless) - but when I do 3x Zwift+long ride outdoors per week in non-rainy weeks, it is nice to have a total mileage per week number.

For how much longer?

I used TR and really liked it. I was somewhat early beta on Zwift, maybe the second round of beta invites, and I haven't touched TR since. It's not that I don't like TR but at the end of the day I was just following a line. Very effective for a workout but that's all it's good for. There's no upside beyond a workout. That's great for those that just care about that and there's nothing wrong with that. I just don't think it's long for this world. I can't define what long is at the moment. Could be a year or it could be five years. IMO, Zwift or something like it is here for good. Something like TR isn't.

TR has an amazing library of workouts. Better than Zwift in that regard. But Zwift is better than TR in every other way imaginable. Graphics, social scene, races, competition, pro cycling/triathlon involvement, cultural buzz, etc... it's not even a point of debate. TR isn't even a blip on any of those radars. I create and use my own workouts so the library of workouts isn't a concern to me. Zwift's workout creator is far easier to use and navigate. YMMV.

I think there's been quite the shift to more indoor cycling over the last decade. Part new hardware tech like smart trainers, part new software tech like Zwift and TR, and part increasing apprehension to riding outdoors. It's obvious to me that following a line on a bar graph isn't the future when it comes to indoor cycling's increased footprint. I get something like Zwift with the video game graphics and social aspects isn't everyone's cup of tea but that's an increasingly minority viewpoint and opinion.

I just don't know what TR can do to stay competitive in this market. Their product basically hasn't changed much from day one, from a user's perspective at least, while Zwift has made quantum leaps since it was introduced.

I'm not bashing TR as the product is excellent for what it is.

I agree, I don't understand how people are able to write text to each other while riding-cant be riding very hard?

What is relevant to me that I do see some deterioration in riding skills of people who do the majority of training indoors.
I know it is a running joke with triathletes.
But I do see some new relative strong riders who spend little time outdoors and only show up for weekend group rides and don't know how to handle a bike in critical situations or just plain can't hold a line.

I do care about that and it does concern me quite a bit.

To be honest the UI for both are very poor for something in 2018 AND a paid subscription. Zwift is very early 2000's standard-there is a big opening for a competitor to gazump them sort of like the iphone did to Nokia.

Honest question as I haven't tried Zwift yet. I use structured workouts on TR, and thus "follow a line" while in front of a TV. When you create a workout on Zwift and then do that workout, do you not end up following a line? Or is your custom workout put to some other graphic that makes it more interesting? What social interaction is there when you're doing your own custom workout on Zwift?


I get the Zwift group ride and race concept. Just curious how custom private workouts fit into that.

CSNY?

Funny thing is that i started with zwift beta and moved to TR last year. Sure, the pretty graphics are cool and all, but that doesn't make me faster whereas trainerroad's workouts did. Now i have a coach, so i write my workouts down on a piece of paper that i have next to my trainer to follow. I honestly find it much more motivating to watch bike races or draft legal races than some digital guy on the screen. Even if i didn't have a coach, if i had to pick between the two right now, trainerroad would win easily.

I agree, I don't understand how people are able to write text to each other while riding-cant be riding very hard?

Now i have a coach, so i write my workouts down on a piece of paper that i have next to my trainer to follow. I honestly find it much more motivating to watch bike races or draft legal races than some digital guy on the screen. Even if i didn't have a coach, if i had to pick between the two right now, trainerroad would win easily.

TR gives structure to my training because I religiously follow their plans. The value I get from them is not an interface but a calendar with specific workouts scheduled by day for months on end. If you don't do a plan, you can't truly "get" what is great about Trainer Road. Trainer Road is not an interface but a cheap alternative to hiring a living breathing coach. The value of TR is the plan and the schedule surrounded by an interface that helps you execute the plan. And, now, the big time accountability of your graph, with targets and how you actually did versus the targets, automatically posted on Strava for all to see. I have a love/hate relationship with that new feature ;-)