What a buffoon.

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What do you guys know? Y'all are from Canada! Kidding! Anyway I can't take my own country seriously because people think it is OK this asshat is in charge.

The guy just can't help himself.

Trump keeps asking for loyalty but never gives it. Look at what he is doing to Sessions. Why work for a guy who is guaranteed to undercut you from almost day one?

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Sessions made Eagle Scout. The numnuts were cheering for a carny over one of their own.

That is problem when you decide a position is to be respected instead of the person holding that position.

Most of the Boy Scouts have a better grasp on what is appropriate in a public forum than our President does.

What do we get rid of this idiot?

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Suffer Well.

Not sure this statement makes any sense.

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Slowguy

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I was at the National Jamboree at Fort A.P. Hill in 1985. Then President Ronald Reagan was to speak. Something came up so First Lady Nancy came and spoke. Followed by a performance by the Beach Boys. Much more enlightening than the babble the Scouts had to endure last night.

Why is Trump talking to the Scouts? Well because he is president. Would civilian Trump have given that speech? Not a chance.

Trump is a ghoul who should be put in a corner until his two terms are up.

Ok. So are you of the opinion that we should not respect the office of the President if we disagree with or don't respect the office holder?

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Slowguy

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Damn straight.

Good luck with that, given that basically any President has between 50-60% of the public who disagrees with or doesn't like him at any given time.

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Slowguy

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http://www.cnn.com/...ts-speech/index.html

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

On the loyalty front. More Sessions attacks this morning.

As a military member, I always understood loyalty to be a two way thing, it was both given and earned up and down the ranks.

Any one military or not understands how it works, Trump is a raging narcissist so it eludes him.

That and the whole ethics thing.

Anyway I can't take my own country seriously because people think it is OK this asshat is in charge.


He said he was NOT going to talk about politics, and then talked non-stop about politics and himself for the whole speech.

He was rude, disrespectful, dishonest, indignant, selfish, inappropriate, and buffoonish . . but he is president. Good grief! What sort of message was he trying to extend to these kids at a highly influential age?

He keeps constantly attacking and denigrating Obama. He keeps going back adnauseam to the election and the winning and losing. He keeps talking relentlessly and almost exclusivly, about himself* Even when he's talking about something good, he ALWAYS makes it about HIM!

* Trump claims to be a master salesman, businessman and deal maker - the "Art of the Deal" and all that. Sales-101 - NEVER talk about yourself!

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Well he does appear to have sold it to a bunch of Tea Party rubes that he is one of them and has their and the country's best interest at heart.

Ok. So are you of the opinion that we should not respect the office of the President if we disagree with or don't respect the office holder?


ALL higher offices like this should be respected. However, in an open and free democracy, that many of us in the West, are lucky to live in, we may not always agree 100% with the person or the party who occupy that office. And owing to our respective constitutions and laws of free speech, we are allowed to express our differences of opinion, and if we feel the person or party in that office are wrong, hold their feet to the flame. Opposition is an important part of functioning democracies. In the Westminster System of Government practiced by many in the British Commonwealth countries, the party in opposition is given the offcial title of, "Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition".

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I think we're in agreement. I believe the office should be respected, regardless of personal feelings for the man (or woman) in office. Tibbs seems to think otherwise.

My personal opinion is that a good portion of the difficulty we find ourselves in now with regard to our feelings about our elected leaders is because we lost respect for the positions themselves, which has allowed us to pay less close attention to making good decisions on who fills those offices. Additionally, our lack of respect for the offices leads to toxic media coverage, toxic dialogue between politicians, toxic rhetoric during elections, toxic talk between regular citizens when discussing politics, etc.

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Slowguy

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I was, my oldest brother is a scoutmaster, my other brother was an eagle scout and a scoutmaster, my dad was a scoutmaster. My oldest brother and my dad are at the jamboree now as staff. My dad has gone to the last 3 or 4, I think my brother has been at everyone since the 80's.

I have no explanation for WTF that was. Other than wrong. If he had any shame he'd be feeling it now.

But on a lighter note. The old guy on the left in the white shirt is my dad. He is working the zip line. He wanted to do that because he said it was too far to walk to the zip line to just ride down it once. So he works there, then rides it down at the end of his shift. Oh yeah, he is 91.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Good luck with what? The super vast majority of people agree with you. The position means more than who has it.

I did the thing for kids who were too young for Boy Scouts and then quit when it was time for BS. Camping with my Dad was a lot more fun. Sadly, I wouldn't even consider sending my boys on a Scout trip unless I was going with them.

Wouldn't holding the person in the office of president to a set of standards standards raise the respect the office itself is given?

The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

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Slowguy

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Fair play.

What do you think will happen on a trip without you?

How about this take?

If Trump doesn't respect the roffice of the President then why should anyone else?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Because the position is more important than the person holding.

That's all well and good. Then get him out of there and respect the position properly by voting in someone who isn't a ghoul.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I agree.

Because, presumably, grown adults aren't required to cater to the lowest common denominator. Because, it's respect for the office that should prompt people to make a better choice next time (if they think Pres Trump is a poor choice), or to hold the President to a standard when he speaks or makes policy. Because, Pres Trump will not be in office forever, and it's better to maintain a sense of respect for the fundamental structures of our nation, and to teach that to our children.

Etc, etc, etc. Really, any number of reasons that a thoughtful adult shouldn't need to have another person explain to him.

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Slowguy

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"Etc, etc, etc. Really, any number of reasons that a thoughtful adult shouldn't need to have another person explain to him. "

Damn!

"Etc, etc, etc. Really, any number of reasons that a thoughtful adult shouldn't need to have another person explain to him. "

Damn!

Slowguy has a talent for comments like that...it's something you can't teach.

It's a beautiful condescending attitude that Naval officers excel at. slowguy gets tired of you and says, "Fuck you. You are an irrational child and I am the only adult around here." but in a really shitty way. At that point you can keep arguing or realise the ego wall isn't worth fighting anymore.

Meh. There are two things you will always see from slowguy.

1. He will be condescending.
2. Even if he agrees with you, the most you'll ever get out of him is "I don't disagree".

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Really? I offered BLeP at least three reasons why the office should be respected. I offered you several posts worth of discussion. It's honestly a little mind blowing that the two of you apparently don't think the office of the chief executive of a country deserves respect, but I still engaged you in discussion about the topic. I never suggested that I'm the only adult in the room, because there are plenty, but you know damn well that you tend to be one of the first to adopt childish positions. If having your position questioned seems to you to be me setting up a wall of ego, then I'd suggest that you might want to step back and think it through a little harder.

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Slowguy

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Ok, BLeP, feel free to offer anything else besides whining and a childish statement. Did you really need someone to give you reasons why it might be good to respect the office of the Presidency? I doubt that you did.

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Slowguy

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I don't disagree. :)

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

You have the charming ability to not see the other person's point of you then you dispatch with some kind of comment about being adult or something. I admire you for it. You are set firm in your ways and have the flexibility of of diamonds. It's your thing and you should embrace it.

What is with your obsession over Trump?

It's borderline creepy.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

It's kind of like our fascination with looking at the car wreck as you pass by in the open lane . . . you don't REALLY want to look, but you just can't help yourself.

At least, that's what I imagine is going through his brain.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

It's not what will happen it's what could happen.


http://www.vocativ.com/...r-boy-scout-leaders/

http://www.nj.com/...boy_scout_perve.html

Because, presumably, grown adults aren't required to cater to the lowest common denominator. Because, it's respect for the office that should prompt people to make a better choice next time (if they think Pres Trump is a poor choice), or to hold the President to a standard when he speaks or makes policy. Because, Pres Trump will not be in office forever, and it's better to maintain a sense of respect for the fundamental structures of our nation, and to teach that to our children.


We may disagree on things but THIS is the way that it needs to be looked at.

I sense we need better course in basic civics in our schools for young people. About the way government works, and what get's done. There is so much of - all politicians are liars and bums these days - yet, each elected offcial, plays a direct and indirect role in our lives. It's remarkable to me the disconnect.

Some good friends of mine have gone on to elected political life/work in Canada. Despite what the general public may think, it's an almost 24/7 job, that is totally precarious. You are potentially completely out of work at every election. Few average-joes would ever sign up for something like that - trading in their straight-forward 9/5 jobs. In fact, two of the guys that I know who have gone into politics took a PAY-CUT to be an elected offcial!

Agreed - Trump was democratically and fairly elected ( we hope), and what's done is done. He's making his own bed now, and the mid-terms in 2018 and the full federal election in 2020, will be the next time, that the general public and individual citizens, will officially be able to voice their opinion in the most powerful way they can - by voting!

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So no babysitter, no child care worker, no aunt or uncle,no neighbor,no boyfriend for mom, no mom or dad,... unless you are there too?

Because those are all more likely to happen than a scout leader.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

What is with your obsession over Trump?

You do realize that Trump has been the headline on newscasts, newspapers, social media and radio every single day for the past 2 years, right? A lot of that is Trump himself, constantly on twitter to get those headlines and keep the conversation about him.

And now you call out someone for being obsessed with Trump?

Yes, I don't get it. I don't particularly like the guy either, Trump that is. But I'm not going to constantly post threads about him. Plus Cerveloguy is Canadian right? So it's not like he should be pissed about election results. I just don't understand being obsessed with Trump. You yourself point out that's a failing of Trumps, constantly needs to be in the headlines. But then don't question someone constantly creating headlines for him? If it's just for discussion or for shits and giggles so be it. I'm curious

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

You have subjects you are interested in. cerveloguy's is Trump.

Maybe that's it, I just cant' fathom being that interested in Trump.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

I hate comics and super heroes but they are popular.

If it's just for discussion or for shits and giggles so be it.

I am Canadian too but really enjoy politics from around the world. I am on a discussion board with people in the Philippines, Thailand (I lived in both places) and I also lived for 5 years in the U.S. I traveled a lot and the best part about it is to speak with locals about what is happening in their lives. Right now, I'm on a discussion board with people in Venezuela because that's a great way to learn about what is going on there. A few people complain when foreigners comment but most people accept that they are just interested and it's better to have people engaged than apathetic.

As for Trump, we get all the U.S coverage so are just as saturated with him as you are, day in and day out so it's pretty hard to ignore. The people in my office talk far more about Trump than our Prime Minister because of the outlandish things Trump tweets daily and simply because we are incredulous that he is the President.

It's really nothing more sinister than that.

I have no problem seeing your point of view Tibbs. I offered you my point of view and supporting rationale behind it. You've offered nothing in addition to support your point of view. Somehow that makes me inflexible?

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Slowguy

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But you don't constantly post about comics and super heroes ?

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Of course.

 In today's society? Fuck that. That gets you knifed.

The Presidency has become a reality show. I used to watch the Apprentice and I enjoyed it. They lying and backstabbing, always rewarded. It was entertaining.

But I thought it was all part of an act by Trump. I thought nobody rewards that kind of awful behavior at such a high level in business. He's proven me wrong.

I find it entertaining, but then I feel sick when I realize his actions have real world consequences.

LOL!

Forgie is that you?

If I was only kidding.

WTF Leddy? Where have you been? cerveloguy has a gay boy crush on Donald J and his thread starting obsession is the clear evidence of such. He's beyond creepy and well into Buffalo Bill (skin suit making) status.

Gay boy. Cutting. Damn Jefferson you are just the most witty and devastating insulter in history.

That's awesome-- cheers to your dad!

But I thought it was all part of an act by Trump. I thought nobody rewards that kind of awful behavior at such a high level in business. He's proven me wrong.


I don't know how it is Trump has been so successful in business. ALL he talks about is himself. Even when he's actually working on or doing something good (rare), he somehow makes it about HIM. Yet rule #1 in Sales and business - NEVER make it about yourself. It's ALWAYS about the clients/customers.

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Over you head...

Curious what your handle "Old Hickory" references... Jackson, bats or the infantry Division?

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Suffer Well.

Most things are. Like I said Jeferrson when I meant Jackson.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

If you want to send your kids off into the woods to go camping with Subway Jared go ahead.

It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

How many times have you asked me this? What is your obsession with my obsession about Trump? Now that is really borderline creepy.

Lobbed that grenade right back!

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

I think it's my first time ? So be gentle

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Oh, I must be mixing you up with Old Hickory. Or a few others.

I was -- Australian Queens Scout, as were both my younger brothers -- still consider it a formative experience in my life story.

As for Herr Trump,, he can gunga --------

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RayGovett
Hughson CA
Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

Awesome. A great organization. The one place a boy can be a boy.

2 brothers, myself and my older son are Eagles. My younger son should be in the next 2 years as well as his oldest his cousin.

2 younger nephews are also entering Cub Scouts soon.

1 brother and myself are Scout leaders, younger brother will be in the fall.

We waited until January to get a letter from Trump instead of the last president for my older son at his request. Mine is from Bush, younger brother from Bush, older brother from Regan.

Dude, you have me convinced. I don't doubt it at all.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

The Boy Scouts apologized for remarks made by the President of the United States.


Let that sink in.

Quote:

The head of the Boy Scouts of America apologized to members of the youth organization on Thursday for the "political rhetoric that was inserted" into its national gathering this week by U.S. President Donald Trump.
"I want to extend my sincere apologies to those in our Scouting family who were offended by the political rhetoric that was inserted into the jamboree," Michael Surbaugh wrote in an open letter published on the Scouts' website. "That was never our intent."
He said that every U.S. president, who serves as the Scouts' honorary president, has been invited to speak at the national jamborees held every four years since 1937, but that the Scouts were nonetheless "steadfastly" non-partisan.
"We sincerely regret that politics were inserted into the Scouting program," Surbaugh wrote.

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Suffer Well.

Secretly they loved it.

nope

They didn't love it in front of the scouts but if it was said in front of an adult audience they would have yelled, "Bully!"

I was there as well!! Order of the Arrow Staff. we worked security for the concert. What a rowdy bunch, I got to tell ya.

On the President front, I believe it's tradition for a President to speak at the Jamboree.

BSA leadership isn't any more of a monolithic organization than any other group. Some are pro-Trump, some are not, some are very much not.

The fact that they published a public apology says something.

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Slowguy

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Very true.