Displaces the Director of National Intelligence and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We truly are f@cked. According to Sean Spider, his 7 years as a Naval officer ending in 1983 makes him fully qualified.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tigermilk]
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Eight days in. I'm not sure they can keep up pace or volune of the absurdities
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tigermilk]
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Displaces the Director of National Intelligence and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We truly are f@cked. According to Sean Spider, his 7 years as a Naval officer ending in 1983 makes him fully qualified.i guy who left the navy over 30 years ago is replacing a 4 star general - totally makes sense.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Andrewmc]
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tigermilk]
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From the Washington Post:
"Trump reorganized the National Security Council to, along with other changes, give Bannon a regular seat on the principals committee — the meetings of the most senior national security officials, including the secretaries of defense and state.
That memo also states that the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will sit on the principals committee only when the issues to be discussed pertain to their “responsibilities and expertise.” In the previous two administrations, both were included as regular attendees."
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"Trump reorganized the National Security Council to, along with other changes, give Bannon a regular seat on the principals committee — the meetings of the most senior national security officials, including the secretaries of defense and state.
That memo also states that the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will sit on the principals committee only when the issues to be discussed pertain to their “responsibilities and expertise.” In the previous two administrations, both were included as regular attendees."
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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I swear to god i thought barnum and baileys had closed........
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [ChiTownJack]
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Nice night for crickets, huh?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [oldandslow]
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I'm a bit disturbed that this thread isn't getting more hits.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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I'm a bit disturbed that this thread isn't getting more hits.This is a big deal. Perhaps the biggest deal of the week, but I sense the WTF meter is pegged of all the other nonsense.
Suffer Well.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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I'm a bit disturbed that this thread isn't getting more hits.
The Trump supporters here and in the country just don't care because they won and that's all that matters.
The Trump supporters here and in the country just don't care because they won and that's all that matters.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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I understand exactly what happened with him sitting on NSC, but I'm trying to wrap my head around it and stop my head from spinning in confusion and rage about such a ridiculous decision on Trump's part. And I'm also trying to calm down from irritation about hearing more of the "God chose Trump" rhetoric from my fundamentalist family.
This has been an awful weekend for Liberty.
This has been an awful weekend for Liberty.
BarryP wrote:
I'm a bit disturbed that this thread isn't getting more hits.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jmh]
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I've filed most of the moves this week under, "He won, he's playing to his base, and he's doing what he promised he would do to shake things up." This particular action is actually disturbing to me. Is there any discussion of National Security that shouldn't include Intelligence (the big, institutional capital I, no the personal lower case i)?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [MOP_Roy]
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MOP_Roy wrote:
I've filed most of the moves this week under, "He won, he's playing to his base, and he's doing what he promised he would do to shake things up." This particular action is actually disturbing to me. Is there any discussion of National Security that shouldn't include Intelligence (the big, institutional capital I, no the personal lower case i)?Much ado about nothing. One week as President and the sky is falling? Not according to the markets. Trump is doing exactly what you said:
"He won, he's playing to his base, and he's doing what he promised he would do to shake things up."
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [MOP_Roy]
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The Presidential Memo here doesn't exclude DNI or CJCS from the NSC. It explicitly states "The Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as statutory advisers to the NSC, shall also attend NSC meetings." The memo states that the DNI and CJCS are not on the specific list of those who must attend all Principals Committee meetings, but it doesn't exclude them. It doesn't say they can't attend meetings. It simply says they "shall" attend meetings when their specific areas of expertise are in play. The Principals Committee discusses both NSC (National Security Council) and HSC (Homeland Security Council) issues. It may be perfectly reasonable for the CJCS and DNI not to be at meetings solely focused on Homeland Security, since the military doesn't play in that and the Intel community isn't allowed to collect within the US. Meanwhile, SecDef remains on the list who attend all meetings, and would presumably represent DNI and CJCS's interests and call them in if things start to move into their territory.
There's a lower level council of Deputies. The CJCS and DNI weren't demoted down to that level. They're just no longer required to attend every NSC meeting, especially when the matters don't fall in their wheelhouse.
Although I think I would prefer that they had left CJCS and DNI on the list of the PC attendees, I don't think there's much practical harm in the newer organization. Now, if CJCS and DNI want to attend, and are actively prevented from doing so, that will ring some potential alarm bells.
I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.
Slowguy
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There's a lower level council of Deputies. The CJCS and DNI weren't demoted down to that level. They're just no longer required to attend every NSC meeting, especially when the matters don't fall in their wheelhouse.
Although I think I would prefer that they had left CJCS and DNI on the list of the PC attendees, I don't think there's much practical harm in the newer organization. Now, if CJCS and DNI want to attend, and are actively prevented from doing so, that will ring some potential alarm bells.
I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.
Slowguy
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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BarryP wrote:
I'm a bit disturbed that this thread isn't getting more hits.i think there are many people who dont see the problem with the situation.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tyrod1]
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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We conservative leaning folk have better stuff to do on our weekends. Besides this place has way too many liberal leaning folk on weekends. No thanks.
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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [CruseVegas]
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CruseVegas wrote:
+1
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [TheForge]
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Hell, this is the best entertainment I have had in a long time. I love sneaking in and reading how the world is going to explode any minute now...
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [CruseVegas]
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I've always thought that "conservative" politics was more about sticking it to liberals than it was actually trying to accomplish something good.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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BarryP wrote:
I've always thought that "conservative" politics was more about sticking it to liberals than it was actually trying to accomplish something good.You never realized that they are one and the same?
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [dvfmfidc]
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Oh I peak. Just don't bother posting. To much insanity to bother debating. Sunday night balances out a little. Unless football is on.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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Just because you don't think its good, doesn't mean it isn't good.
"I've got a pen and I've got a phone...and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions."
President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it. (Switch Obama to Trump)
"I've got a pen and I've got a phone...and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions."
President Obama to Republicans: I won. Deal with it. (Switch Obama to Trump)
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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No. But what you are witnessing is a very real and well deserved backlash to the overreach the left pushed on us over the last eight years. I think "conservatives" are just letting it run its course.
One only need to see obama's last two weeks to understand the cause of this. People are pissed. The agenda Obama and his globalist supporters pushed on America left a lot of people behind, degraded the core social values of at least a third of the country. So far he is really just addressing different messes Obama created. Wait until he has addressed that and started running on his own agenda.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
One only need to see obama's last two weeks to understand the cause of this. People are pissed. The agenda Obama and his globalist supporters pushed on America left a lot of people behind, degraded the core social values of at least a third of the country. So far he is really just addressing different messes Obama created. Wait until he has addressed that and started running on his own agenda.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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slowguy wrote:
The Presidential Memo here doesn't exclude DNI or CJCS from the NSC. It explicitly states "The Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as statutory advisers to the NSC, shall also attend NSC meetings." The memo states that the DNI and CJCS are not on the specific list of those who must attend all Principals Committee meetings, but it doesn't exclude them. It doesn't say they can't attend meetings. It simply says they "shall" attend meetings when their specific areas of expertise are in play. The Principals Committee discusses both NSC (National Security Council) and HSC (Homeland Security Council) issues. It may be perfectly reasonable for the CJCS and DNI not to be at meetings solely focused on Homeland Security, since the military doesn't play in that and the Intel community isn't allowed to collect within the US. Meanwhile, SecDef remains on the list who attend all meetings, and would presumably represent DNI and CJCS's interests and call them in if things start to move into their territory. There's a lower level council of Deputies. The CJCS and DNI weren't demoted down to that level. They're just no longer required to attend every NSC meeting, especially when the matters don't fall in their wheelhouse.
Although I think I would prefer that they had left CJCS and DNI on the list of the PC attendees, I don't think there's much practical harm in the newer organization. Now, if CJCS and DNI want to attend, and are actively prevented from doing so, that will ring some potential alarm bells.
I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.
It's not about CJCS and DNI not always being there. I'm sure they will be there most of the time. It's about a guy who's foriegn policy and national security experience was a special assistant to the CNO in 1983 - and who's writing, values and beliefs are at best concerning - always being there.
Suffer Well.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jmh]
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your right, we should have gave it all to Hillary...
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jmh]
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Think of it as a political officer. Bannonwill ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with trump's.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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Who will determine when the DNI or CJCS is required? Leave it to the agenda of the day and leave it to discretion? And if an off-agenda item pops up, eh? Should it not be up to the DNI and CJCS to show up for each meeating and determine if it's in their interest? Why not make Ban on the optional seat at the table?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [TheForge]
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Bannonwill ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with trump's.
Bannon will ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with Bannon and he will explain it to Trump who will agree.
FIFY.
Bannon will ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with Bannon and he will explain it to Trump who will agree.
FIFY.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
Bannonwill ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with trump's. Bannon will ensure the agenda and national security solutions are in line with Bannon and he will explain it to Trump who will agree.
FIFY.
If that keeps us safe do you care? As long as no laws are broken I'm all in when it comes to protecting American (and allies) lives.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jkca1]
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If that keeps us safe do you care? As long as no laws are broken I'm all in when it comes to protecting American (and allies) lives.
I'm still trying to figure out how banning refugees is going to keep Americans safe...
I'm still trying to figure out how banning refugees is going to keep Americans safe...
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
If that keeps us safe do you care? As long as no laws are broken I'm all in when it comes to protecting American (and allies) lives. I'm still trying to figure out how banning refugees is going to keep Americans safe...
Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country? I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us. Until we have a process in place that keeps us safe why take chances? I am not an expert but those that are state the process is full of holes:
"FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria.
Appearing before the House Committee on Homeland Security, Comey said Syrians who aren't already in the FBI's database are unknown to the agency, meaning their backgrounds cannot be adequately scoured for a risk of terrorism."
As CNSNews.com reported earlier, the White House has agreed to take in at least 10,000 Syrian refugees into the United States over the next year. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson also admitted last week that the U.S. won’t “know a whole lot” about the refugees it allows into the U.S.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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BarryP wrote:
I've always thought that "conservative" politics was more about sticking it to liberals than it was actually trying to accomplish something good.I don't doubt that you think that Barry.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jkca1]
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Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country?
The U.S has the strongest and most comprehensive vetting process in the world. In fact, it is so good that since the process started in 1980, not a single refugee coming into America has ever killed an American in a terrorist attack. How exactly are you going to make it better?
I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us.
What refugees want to kill you?
You want to ban all Muslims from 7 countries and that has never been a problem, yet there is no increased vetting on tourist visas, spousal or student visas and no one says a thing about it? People entering on those visas have killed people but because Trump said one thing, everyone ignores the real issues.
Then there are the people from countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan that also committed terrorist attacks on Americans but like those on non-refugee visas, they also get a pass.
Just because Trump lives in a fact-free world, doesn't mean everyone has to. Where is all this irrational fear coming from?
The U.S has the strongest and most comprehensive vetting process in the world. In fact, it is so good that since the process started in 1980, not a single refugee coming into America has ever killed an American in a terrorist attack. How exactly are you going to make it better?
I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us.
What refugees want to kill you?
You want to ban all Muslims from 7 countries and that has never been a problem, yet there is no increased vetting on tourist visas, spousal or student visas and no one says a thing about it? People entering on those visas have killed people but because Trump said one thing, everyone ignores the real issues.
Then there are the people from countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan that also committed terrorist attacks on Americans but like those on non-refugee visas, they also get a pass.
Just because Trump lives in a fact-free world, doesn't mean everyone has to. Where is all this irrational fear coming from?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [dvfmfidc]
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I forgot to mention, you ditto heads are fucking idiots. Just because something annoys liberals doesn't make it good. If you honestly don't understand that, then you are seriously delusional and you need help.
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Just because you don't think its good, doesn't mean it isn't good. "I've got a pen and I've got a phone...and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions."
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [BarryP]
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Oh, its damn good watching you guys go freakin NUTS.
And thanks for the wonderful compliment.
Lavender Room should be changed to: TRUMPHOBIA ROOM
Some of you should really consider some professional help for your Trumopitis
"US NAVY DIVERS GO DEEPER AND STAY LONGER"
And thanks for the wonderful compliment.
Lavender Room should be changed to: TRUMPHOBIA ROOM
Some of you should really consider some professional help for your Trumopitis
"US NAVY DIVERS GO DEEPER AND STAY LONGER"
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Ok then. In our sound bite world the fact that there is a good vetting process was not understood by the Trump fan base. So likely what will happen is that there will be a minor tweak to that process and it will resume after 120 days. Just a political show then. Unfortunate for folks who are delayed entry, but inconvenience due to political showmanship/posturing is part of life no matter who is in charge of whatever level of government.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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veganerd wrote:
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
What about Bannon has led you to conclude he is a wackjob and kinda racist?
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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Why do you think Bannon is now sitting in on these meetings?
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jkca1]
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jkca1 wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
If that keeps us safe do you care? As long as no laws are broken I'm all in when it comes to protecting American (and allies) lives. I'm still trying to figure out how banning refugees is going to keep Americans safe...
Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country? I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us. Until we have a process in place that keeps us safe why take chances? I am not an expert but those that are state the process is full of holes:
"FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria.
Appearing before the House Committee on Homeland Security, Comey said Syrians who aren't already in the FBI's database are unknown to the agency, meaning their backgrounds cannot be adequately scoured for a risk of terrorism."
As CNSNews.com reported earlier, the White House has agreed to take in at least 10,000 Syrian refugees into the United States over the next year. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson also admitted last week that the U.S. won’t “know a whole lot” about the refugees it allows into the U.S.
You may as well been speaking chinese to these folks.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [H-]
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H- wrote:
veganerd wrote:
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
What about Bannon has led you to conclude he is a wackjob and kinda racist?
his history. people close to him have characterized him in similar terms.
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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What's interesting is to read the comments of the 'liberals this and that' when I know several in this thread and other threads who are definitely not liberal, but who still think WTF is this crap going on in our country. I guess some folks are just happy to see white supremacists in the white house. Time for them to iron their white robes and pointy hats.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
What's interesting is to read the comments of the 'liberals this and that' when I know several in this thread and other threads who are definitely not liberal, but who still think WTF is this crap going on in our country. I guess some folks are just happy to see white supremacists in the white house. Time for them to iron their white robes and pointy hats.there are no shortage of conservatives who take issue with bannon but the conservatives who dont see an issue, seem to resort to thoughtless labelling to dissmiss any criticism as liberals being liberals.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Andrewmc]
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Are you talking about the over the top, uninformed protestors or Trump?
Andrewmc wrote:
Eight days in. I'm not sure they can keep up pace or volune of the absurdities
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [dvfmfidc]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
Oh, its damn good watching you guys go freakin NUTS. And thanks for the wonderful compliment.
Lavender Room should be changed to: TRUMPHOBIA ROOM
Some of you should really consider some professional help for your Trumopitis
I think you're definition of going nuts doesn't match up with my going nuts. Looks mostly like a discussion.
Maybe change it to going trumps. I can't wait for the trumpites to realize how expensive life is going to get and how much america is losing (sorry 'winning yuge') on the global markets. just make sure the media shuts its mouth. Make sure to get a big crowd of you together and chant it!!
Why isn't trump doing anything with you're financial institutions. Very Curious!!
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country? The U.S has the strongest and most comprehensive vetting process in the world. In fact, it is so good that since the process started in 1980, not a single refugee coming into America has ever killed an American in a terrorist attack. How exactly are you going to make it better?
I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us.
What refugees want to kill you?
You want to ban all Muslims from 7 countries and that has never been a problem, yet there is no increased vetting on tourist visas, spousal or student visas and no one says a thing about it? People entering on those visas have killed people but because Trump said one thing, everyone ignores the real issues.
Then there are the people from countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan that also committed terrorist attacks on Americans but like those on non-refugee visas, they also get a pass.
Just because Trump lives in a fact-free world, doesn't mean everyone has to. Where is all this irrational fear coming from?
So let's add SA, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the list. Again, he hasn't banned anyone just delayed entry while we do get our act together. You state we have the best vetting began in the 1980s, then why is Comey on record saying we don't? The over the top rants are getting old in this country. The left need a vacation your all going to be burned out 6 months into Trump's first 4 year term. Oh, and he isn't going to be impeached. The funniest thing I heard over the weekend was that the EO on immigrants was the final straw and that Trump was going to be up for impeachment by the end of February. Funny stuff.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jwbeuk]
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we dont have good vetting? ill ask you a really easy question, once again. its so easy you can type your reply reply using only one key.
how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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Uhhhhh, well, I guess, well, none....YET! How do you know that someone hasn't been lying in wait in a sleeper cell for 36 years, just waiting to bring us down?!?!?
That one time when I took my wife out for a big ol' fancy dinner at the local Applebees & the guy was bussing tables next to us, he had a thick accent and looked at me funny. Why didn't he assimilate and learn language? Guys like that, you just never know. We can never be sure. We can never be too careful. 'Murica first and only 'Murica!!
how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
That one time when I took my wife out for a big ol' fancy dinner at the local Applebees & the guy was bussing tables next to us, he had a thick accent and looked at me funny. Why didn't he assimilate and learn language? Guys like that, you just never know. We can never be sure. We can never be too careful. 'Murica first and only 'Murica!!
veganerd wrote:
we dont have good vetting? ill ask you a really easy question, once again. its so easy you can type your reply reply using only one key. how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jwbeuk]
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jwbeuk wrote:
So let's add SA, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the list. Again, he hasn't banned anyone just delayed entry while we do get our act together. You state we have the best vetting began in the 1980s, then why is Comey on record saying we don't? The over the top rants are getting old in this country. The left need a vacation your all going to be burned out 6 months into Trump's first 4 year term. Oh, and he isn't going to be impeached. The funniest thing I heard over the weekend was that the EO on immigrants was the final straw and that Trump was going to be up for impeachment by the end of February. Funny stuff.
That said, the Bannon/NSC story is a non-event to me, completely overblown. The President chairs the NSC, right, it's for his benefit that the NSC convenes to discuss matters of national security? Bannon is Trump's trusted advisor on national security interests, I don't think it at all strange that he'd want Bannon at all those meetings. And I think the media has been way over the top on Bannon's beliefs and ideology, which is fueling this 'scare'. Much ado about nothing, in my opinion.
But the travel ban is bullshit.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Brownie28]
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Do you think that Trump will understand all the information presented at NSC meetings? This is the guy who appears to be foregoing the daily briefings, or has he deigned to be given that information?
This appears to me to be handing the reins over to Bannon, because Trump can't be trusted to make decisions that are likely pretty complex and could be contrary to whatever strategy the inner circle is planning.
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This appears to me to be handing the reins over to Bannon, because Trump can't be trusted to make decisions that are likely pretty complex and could be contrary to whatever strategy the inner circle is planning.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jwbeuk]
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So let's add SA, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the list. Again, he hasn't banned anyone just delayed entry while we do get our act together.
You state we have the best vetting began in the 1980s, then why is Comey on record saying we don't? The over the top rants are getting old in this country.
You make it sound like I would support completely open borders with no vetting which is completely wrong. The fact that there hasn't been a single terrorist attack from anyone from the 7 countries listed, in 40 years, should tell you that this is a completely irrational response from Trump. The problem didn't exist but now it is seen around the world has an attack on Muslims. He hasn't made America safer, he has done the complete opposite.
The other problem is his lack of working with other agencies. The plan was very poorly thought out and implemented. Within hours you have Federal judges issuing orders to reverse it, that's kind of a problem. Trump did not consult with DHS, INS or any other department, that is why they are so confused.
Trump has created a mess in the rush to fulfill campaign promises. He's creating a fear over something that doesn't exist and disguising it as a policy to keep people safe. It's classic government action and people fall for it because they believe everything he says.
I wish people could stop blindly following "their guy" and look at things with an open mind.
You state we have the best vetting began in the 1980s, then why is Comey on record saying we don't? The over the top rants are getting old in this country.
You make it sound like I would support completely open borders with no vetting which is completely wrong. The fact that there hasn't been a single terrorist attack from anyone from the 7 countries listed, in 40 years, should tell you that this is a completely irrational response from Trump. The problem didn't exist but now it is seen around the world has an attack on Muslims. He hasn't made America safer, he has done the complete opposite.
The other problem is his lack of working with other agencies. The plan was very poorly thought out and implemented. Within hours you have Federal judges issuing orders to reverse it, that's kind of a problem. Trump did not consult with DHS, INS or any other department, that is why they are so confused.
Trump has created a mess in the rush to fulfill campaign promises. He's creating a fear over something that doesn't exist and disguising it as a policy to keep people safe. It's classic government action and people fall for it because they believe everything he says.
I wish people could stop blindly following "their guy" and look at things with an open mind.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [klehner]
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klehner wrote:
Do you think that Trump will understand all the information presented at NSC meetings? This is the guy who appears to be foregoing the daily briefings, or has he deigned to be given that information? This appears to me to be handing the reins over to Bannon, because Trump can't be trusted to make decisions that are likely pretty complex and could be contrary to whatever strategy the inner circle is planning.
I think that's exactly what it is, and I honestly don't think it's a bad idea in theory. The office of the President has an absurd amount of responsibilities, ultimately the buck stops with him on all of them but he/she can't be everywhere at once. I think Trump has made trade and jobs his highest priority and will spend the majority of his time 'making America great again'. And I believe he's entrusting most of the national security functions to Bannon and the NSC.
Let's say it was Obama, and he pulled this move with Axelrod or Plouffe, would you have an issue with it? Again, I think the final signoff needs to reside with the President and he or she has to stay informed, and I truly hope and pray that Trump takes that responsibility incredibly seriously. But I do not mind, in the least, a senior advisor taking on a bigger role for all of the day-to-day of national security concerns.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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veganerd wrote:
we dont have good vetting? ill ask you a really easy question, once again. its so easy you can type your reply reply using only one key. how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
http://www.cnbc.com/...er-is-on-campus.html
but you also are ignoring those who came in as refugees, then became citizens, and guys like these that killed our guys in Afg then got in as refugees.
http://abcnews.go.com/...es/story?id=20931131
You should quit pretending that there aren't problems.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Francois]
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Someone here once wrote that the lowest approval rating Nixon got was 22%, which means that ~1 out of every 5 people are going to support a Republican candidate no matter what they do.
And yes, I believe its simply because liberals hated him.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [dave_w]
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dave_w wrote:
veganerd wrote:
we dont have good vetting? ill ask you a really easy question, once again. its so easy you can type your reply reply using only one key. how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?
http://www.cnbc.com/...er-is-on-campus.html
you are claiming that a 9 year old terrorist snuck in? really?
who's smarter than you're? i'm!
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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I wouldn't say he is racist or crazy as much as an opportunist and bizarre. Have you ever listened to Breitbart news at length or even read their news at length? I described my experience with here a while back, long before Trump won or Bannon was officially on trumps team.
Here is my observation:
1. Sensational, nationalistic and populist.
2. Definitely plays to a low common denominator.
3. Echoes far right paranoia.
4. Focuses on isolated events as though they are the norm.
5. Overly optimistic when evidence is to the contrary. For instance, the night before the republican primary in Wisconsin they seemed to believe that Paul Ryan's challenger stood a good chance of winning and it was a game changing event. Yet no credible data suggested Paul Ryan was in any risk of losing and he ultimately won primary by a big amount. Paul Ryan won 84% of the vote.
They definitely play to a narrow audience of rural, blue collar americans, most callers are truck drivers.
It definitely reminds me of Bizarro world in Superman, but I wouldn't call it racist, nor do I think nationalism is synonymous with racism.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Here is my observation:
1. Sensational, nationalistic and populist.
2. Definitely plays to a low common denominator.
3. Echoes far right paranoia.
4. Focuses on isolated events as though they are the norm.
5. Overly optimistic when evidence is to the contrary. For instance, the night before the republican primary in Wisconsin they seemed to believe that Paul Ryan's challenger stood a good chance of winning and it was a game changing event. Yet no credible data suggested Paul Ryan was in any risk of losing and he ultimately won primary by a big amount. Paul Ryan won 84% of the vote.
They definitely play to a narrow audience of rural, blue collar americans, most callers are truck drivers.
It definitely reminds me of Bizarro world in Superman, but I wouldn't call it racist, nor do I think nationalism is synonymous with racism.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Francois]
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Francois wrote:
What's interesting is to read the comments of the 'liberals this and that' when I know several in this thread and other threads who are definitely not liberal, but who still think WTF is this crap going on in our country. I guess some folks are just happy to see white supremacists in the white house. Time for them to iron their white robes and pointy hats.You mean someone like Dick Cheney (on the Muslim immigration ban)
He thinks Trump's actions go "against everything we stand for and believe in."
"I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from,"
When Dick Cheney and Cory Booker are on the same side of an issue, it speaks volumes.
Suffer Well.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jmh]
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Pence made the same comment in 2015...
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Francois]
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So would anyone who could read and understand our Constitution. Shameful.
Cheney and Bush went out of there way after 9/11 to express that our problem was with Radical Islamic Terrorists, not all of Islam. Trump can't see the difference.
I only hope that those-every legislator, SCOTUS justices, many of the members of the current administration, military officers, and a shit load of government employees- who have sworn to "support and defend the Constitution" actually do.
Suffer Well.
Cheney and Bush went out of there way after 9/11 to express that our problem was with Radical Islamic Terrorists, not all of Islam. Trump can't see the difference.
I only hope that those-every legislator, SCOTUS justices, many of the members of the current administration, military officers, and a shit load of government employees- who have sworn to "support and defend the Constitution" actually do.
Suffer Well.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country? The U.S has the strongest and most comprehensive vetting process in the world. In fact, it is so good that since the process started in 1980, not a single refugee coming into America has ever killed an American in a terrorist attack. How exactly are you going to make it better?
I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us.
What refugees want to kill you?
You want to ban all Muslims from 7 countries and that has never been a problem, yet there is no increased vetting on tourist visas, spousal or student visas and no one says a thing about it? People entering on those visas have killed people but because Trump said one thing, everyone ignores the real issues.
Then there are the people from countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan that also committed terrorist attacks on Americans but like those on non-refugee visas, they also get a pass.
Just because Trump lives in a fact-free world, doesn't mean everyone has to. Where is all this irrational fear coming from?
When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries. I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started. To think that Trump would act differently shows there is a complete lack of understanding of his mindset.
Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational? You've already read about the terrorists hopes to detonate a nuclear bomb here right? The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States. If you have a group with a stated goal to destroy you I think it's common sense to do what you can legally to keep them weak and ineffective.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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you are claiming that a 9 year old terrorist snuck in? really?Just think, if Trump had been President in 2007, he would have figured out that this kid was going to kill someone 9 years in the future and would never have let him in!
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
I wouldn't say he is racist or crazy as much as an opportunist and bizarre. Have you ever listened to Breitbart news at length or even read their news at length? I described my experience with here a while back, long before Trump won or Bannon was officially on trumps team. Here is my observation:
1. Sensational, nationalistic and populist.
2. Definitely plays to a low common denominator.
3. Echoes far right paranoia.
4. Focuses on isolated events as though they are the norm.
5. Overly optimistic when evidence is to the contrary. For instance, the night before the republican primary in Wisconsin they seemed to believe that Paul Ryan's challenger stood a good chance of winning and it was a game changing event. Yet no credible data suggested Paul Ryan was in any risk of losing and he ultimately won primary by a big amount. Paul Ryan won 84% of the vote.
They definitely play to a narrow audience of rural, blue collar americans, most callers are truck drivers.
It definitely reminds me of Bizarro world in Superman, but I wouldn't call it racist, nor do I think nationalism is synonymous with racism.
If you take a look at the demographics of visitors to Breitbart you will find that a majority of the viewers are female with some college education. It's the 40th most popular website in the US. I think people, mostly the lefties, can't comprehend how anyone with intelligence can differ from their ideology therefore visitors to Breitbart must be stupid and uneducated, which is definitely not the case.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jkca1]
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ISIS may very well have a presence in all 50 states, but give them credit. They do it by recruiting US citizens which apparently isn't that hard in internet age. The advantage over using US citizens is that the intelligence community is much more restricted in how they deal with them. Refugees might still be a way of getting people into the US, but the vetting process and lack of privacy laws make them less useful than turning citizens.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tigermilk]
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What's the big deal? Barack Obama is a complete fool and he was in on the NSC meetings.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [jkca1]
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When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries.
The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.
I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.
The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.
Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?
No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.
The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.
That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.
The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.
I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.
The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.
I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.
The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.
Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?
No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.
The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.
That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.
The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.
I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries. The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.
I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.
The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.
Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?
No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.
The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.
That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.
The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.
I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.
Here are some experts that believe the vetting process is flawed:
Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, and NCTC Director Nicholas Rasmussen have all made public statements recently that the intelligence data to support such a through screening process for these Syrian refugees didn’t exist or was inadequate for this requirement.
The head of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Michael McCaul, said that “There are a lot of holes — gaping holes,” in US defenses.
In a separate appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” the former head of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, corroborated McCaul’s sentiments.
I don’t, obviously, put it past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees, so that’s a huge concern of ours,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said at a security industry conference in September, using another name for the Islamic State.
I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.
I think the legality battle will end at the SCOTUS and soon he'll have someone he chose there. Don't forget that the Obama administration also "discriminated against Christian Syrian refugees, ended the wet foot, dry foot policy with Cubans fleeing their communist hell hole, and stopped processing Iraqi visas for six months in 2011. " Where were the cries of outrage from the left when this happened?
RE: No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.
I agree it's irrational to say they are going to commit terrorist attacks. However, I believe that the real issue is without proper vetting we really don't know who is coming into the country. To quote the head of the FBI:
"At the committee meeting, U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., asked Comey if there was concern that the FBI could miss a potential terrorist infiltrator because intelligence databases may not contain complete information on every refugee.Comey agreed, saying the procedure isn’t perfect, because it relies on checking for criminal records or other nefarious activity."
I think Trump is playing to his constituency so I disagree that he acted hastily. All that he needs now is for an act of terror to happen on US soil to say "I told you so". I think the chances of this happening during Trump's tenure are great and when it happens sentiment for Trump's plans on immigration will grow.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Sanuk]
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Sanuk wrote:
When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries. The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.
I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.
The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.
Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?
No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.
The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.
That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.
The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.
I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.
Trump won the election and the people who made that happen want a better/new vetting process for immigration. It's too bad you weren't paying attention during the 10 months it was being proposed.
But please continue explaining why you are surprised, shocked, and outraged.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Old Hickory]
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Old Hickory wrote:
Trump won the election and the people who made that happen want a better/new vetting process for immigration. It's too bad you weren't paying attention during the 10 months it was being proposed. But please continue explaining why you are surprised, shocked, and outraged.
Are you saying rectal exams are less painful if you schedule them well in advance?
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [Old Hickory]
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Don't think "surprise" is on the list of issues.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [ajthomas]
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ajthomas wrote:
Old Hickory wrote:
Trump won the election and the people who made that happen want a better/new vetting process for immigration. It's too bad you weren't paying attention during the 10 months it was being proposed. But please continue explaining why you are surprised, shocked, and outraged.
Are you saying rectal exams are less painful if you schedule them well in advance?
If you know a rectal exam is part of the overall exam then don't be outraged when it happens.
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [tigermilk]
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tigermilk wrote:
Who will determine when the DNI or CJCS is required? Leave it to the agenda of the day and leave it to discretion? And if an off-agenda item pops up, eh? Should it not be up to the DNI and CJCS to show up for each meeating and determine if it's in their interest? Why not make Ban on the optional seat at the table?I would assume that CJCS and DNI will still attend most of the time, but the National Security Advisor and the Secretary of Homeland Security set the agenda for NSC meetings and would presumably invite those who need to attend.
Slowguy
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
Funny, because there is a lot of whining about CJCS and DNI being "demoted" so I think that's a least part of the issue.
As for Mr. Bannon, what difference does it make if he's at the meetings? Pres Trump gets to pick his advisors. He gets to pick his National Security Advisor, his DHS Secretary, his SecDef, etc. What does it matter if he also chooses to be advised by Mr. Bannon? Just because you don't like him?
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [klehner]
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klehner wrote:
Why do you think Bannon is now sitting in on these meetings?I suspect that Pres Trump values his counsel.
Slowguy
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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slowguy wrote:
veganerd wrote:
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
Funny, because there is a lot of whining about CJCS and DNI being "demoted" so I think that's a least part of the issue.
As for Mr. Bannon, what difference does it make if he's at the meetings? Pres Trump gets to pick his advisors. He gets to pick his National Security Advisor, his DHS Secretary, his SecDef, etc. What does it matter if he also chooses to be advised by Mr. Bannon? Just because you don't like him?
i disliked condaleeza rice and disagreed with much of her politics. i wouldnt object to her being in the briefings, because i recognize shes quite intelligent and professional.
i object to bannon because hes unprofessional, a nut, and has troubling issues with racism. i feel such a person has no business being an advisor to the potus. if he were a vegan, atheist, champion of science, and still had the aforementioned issues, i would still object.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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veganerd wrote:
slowguy wrote:
veganerd wrote:
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I suspect this particular issue is being blown a bit out of proportion.i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.
Funny, because there is a lot of whining about CJCS and DNI being "demoted" so I think that's a least part of the issue.
As for Mr. Bannon, what difference does it make if he's at the meetings? Pres Trump gets to pick his advisors. He gets to pick his National Security Advisor, his DHS Secretary, his SecDef, etc. What does it matter if he also chooses to be advised by Mr. Bannon? Just because you don't like him?
i disliked condaleeza rice and disagreed with much of her politics. i wouldnt object to her being in the briefings, because i recognize shes quite intelligent and professional.
i object to bannon because hes unprofessional, a nut, and has troubling issues with racism. i feel such a person has no business being an advisor to the potus. if he were a vegan, atheist, champion of science, and still had the aforementioned issues, i would still object.
So you don't have a problem specifically with this EO, so much as the fact that Mr. Bannon is advising the President in any way.
Fair enough, I guess, but the President gets to listen to the people he trusts. I'd rather have a questionable guy in the room where he can hear all the opinions, and the other advisors have a chance to weigh in against him than just having him in the President's ear in private.
Slowguy
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [slowguy]
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So you don't have a problem specifically with this EO, so much as the fact that Mr. Brannon is advising the President in any way.correct.
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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So apparently Axlerod was sent by Obama to the nsc and reversed course after internal protest. This changes things.
1. It would seem that perhaps Bannon's attendance is innapropriate. But certainly more qualified than axlerod was.
2. Were any of you up in arms about this when axlerod was in attendance?
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1. It would seem that perhaps Bannon's attendance is innapropriate. But certainly more qualified than axlerod was.
2. Were any of you up in arms about this when axlerod was in attendance?
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [TheForge]
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So apparently Axlerod was sent by Obama to the nsc and reversed course after internal protest. This changes things. 1. It would seem that perhaps Bannon's attendance is innapropriate. But certainly more qualified than axlerod was.
2. Were any of you up in arms about this when axlerod was in attendance?
my objection is with bannon specifically because of who he is as a person. see my previous replies to slowguy,
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Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [veganerd]
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But I told you that is false. I have also cited sources of previous colleagues who have open dostain for him saying he has never displayed racist behavior. His best friend is a black man he has known since college.
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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
Re: Steve Bannon now a NSC member [TheForge]
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TheForge wrote:
But I told you that is false. I have also cited sources of previous colleagues who have open dostain for him saying he has never displayed racist behavior. His best friend is a black man he has known since college.other colleagues have said he is racist.
having a black friend does not mean he isnt racist.
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But Ben shapiro who worked for bannon for years and is Jewish, has a huge motivation to brand bannon a racist said he isn't.
http://www.snopes.com/...e-supremacist-views/
You said colleagues. Now put up or shut up. Because I voted sources. Your turn.
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http://www.snopes.com/...e-supremacist-views/
You said colleagues. Now put up or shut up. Because I voted sources. Your turn.
"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden