Do you think that Trump will understand all the information presented at NSC meetings? This is the guy who appears to be foregoing the daily briefings, or has he deigned to be given that information?

This appears to me to be handing the reins over to Bannon, because Trump can't be trusted to make decisions that are likely pretty complex and could be contrary to whatever strategy the inner circle is planning.

we dont have good vetting? ill ask you a really easy question, once again. its so easy you can type your reply reply using only one key.

how many refugees in our country have committed acts of terror here?

What's interesting is to read the comments of the 'liberals this and that' when I know several in this thread and other threads who are definitely not liberal, but who still think WTF is this crap going on in our country. I guess some folks are just happy to see white supremacists in the white house. Time for them to iron their white robes and pointy hats.

http://www.cnbc.com/...er-is-on-campus.html

What's interesting is to read the comments of the 'liberals this and that' when I know several in this thread and other threads who are definitely not liberal, but who still think WTF is this crap going on in our country. I guess some folks are just happy to see white supremacists in the white house. Time for them to iron their white robes and pointy hats.

Sanuk wrote:

Until we have a better vetting process in place why would we let any refugees into the country?


The U.S has the strongest and most comprehensive vetting process in the world. In fact, it is so good that since the process started in 1980, not a single refugee coming into America has ever killed an American in a terrorist attack. How exactly are you going to make it better?


I am not against refugees, just those that want to kill us.


What refugees want to kill you?


You want to ban all Muslims from 7 countries and that has never been a problem, yet there is no increased vetting on tourist visas, spousal or student visas and no one says a thing about it? People entering on those visas have killed people but because Trump said one thing, everyone ignores the real issues.


Then there are the people from countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan and Pakistan that also committed terrorist attacks on Americans but like those on non-refugee visas, they also get a pass.


Just because Trump lives in a fact-free world, doesn't mean everyone has to. Where is all this irrational fear coming from?

you are claiming that a 9 year old terrorist snuck in? really?

I wouldn't say he is racist or crazy as much as an opportunist and bizarre. Have you ever listened to Breitbart news at length or even read their news at length? I described my experience with here a while back, long before Trump won or Bannon was officially on trumps team.

Here is my observation:

1. Sensational, nationalistic and populist.
2. Definitely plays to a low common denominator.
3. Echoes far right paranoia.
4. Focuses on isolated events as though they are the norm.
5. Overly optimistic when evidence is to the contrary. For instance, the night before the republican primary in Wisconsin they seemed to believe that Paul Ryan's challenger stood a good chance of winning and it was a game changing event. Yet no credible data suggested Paul Ryan was in any risk of losing and he ultimately won primary by a big amount. Paul Ryan won 84% of the vote.


They definitely play to a narrow audience of rural, blue collar americans, most callers are truck drivers.

It definitely reminds me of Bizarro world in Superman, but I wouldn't call it racist, nor do I think nationalism is synonymous with racism.

Sanuk wrote:

When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries.

The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.

I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.

The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.

Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?

No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.

The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.

That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.

The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.

I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.

When experts say there are problems in the vetting process it makes sense to stop and understand where those holes are and plug them, and I mean plug them for all countries.

The only "expert" that I've seen who thinks the vetting process isn't working is a Trump supporter, Based on the fact that no terrorist attack has occurred from anyone from a country on the list, should be an indicator that it is working well. Trump or "expert" claims to the contrary have no basis in fact. They are pure speculation.

I don't see anything illegal about what Trump is doing and in fact it's an extension of what Obama started.

The fact that a few federal judges have over ruled Trump's instructions tells me there may be something illegal and it is not at all like what Obama did. I don't recall seeing any of these demonstrations prior to Trump's EO.

Would you call the belief that Muslim terrorists will strike this country again irrational?

No, but I would say it is irrational to say refugees from those 7 countries are going to commit terrorist attacks, considering it has never happened.

The director of the FBI, James Comey, has stated that ISIS now has a presence in all 50 of the United States.

That's exactly the problem. Trump's EO does nothing against the people here or those on tourist, spousal or education visas. It also does nothing to stop the propaganda from ISIS on the internet. Those are the real problems that his EO does nothing to address. Instead of using EO's to spread fear and to create an atmosphere of Muslims vs. Christians, he should do things to make the country safer. His actions are making the country more dangerous and he is only doing it to pander to his supporters.

The terrorists want the leaders in the West to do things that create a divide, it fits into their narrative. By saying he will ban Muslims but allow Christians from Syria in, he tells the terrorists that the battle is of ideology. How do you explain that to all the Muslim countries working with the U.S to defeat radical Islam. What has he accomplished by banning people who don't commit crimes? The terrorists recruit by wedging differences between Muslims and everyone else and Trump is doing exactly that, with no reduction in risk. He's playing right into their trap.

I think Trump acted too hastily to show he is working. He didn't consult with the DHS or the INS or anyone other than his small group of supporters. I don't think he considered the big picture nor did he realize that the process in place is working very well. He seems to be getting selected information and basing decisions on anything that fits into his narrative.

Trump won the election and the people who made that happen want a better/new vetting process for immigration. It's too bad you weren't paying attention during the 10 months it was being proposed.

But please continue explaining why you are surprised, shocked, and outraged.

Are you saying rectal exams are less painful if you schedule them well in advance?

Who will determine when the DNI or CJCS is required? Leave it to the agenda of the day and leave it to discretion? And if an off-agenda item pops up, eh? Should it not be up to the DNI and CJCS to show up for each meeating and determine if it's in their interest? Why not make Ban on the optional seat at the table?

i think you misunderstand the issue. the issue is that bannon is a wackjob who seems kinda racist. such a person has no business in his position.

Why do you think Bannon is now sitting in on these meetings?

Funny, because there is a lot of whining about CJCS and DNI being "demoted" so I think that's a least part of the issue.

As for Mr. Bannon, what difference does it make if he's at the meetings? Pres Trump gets to pick his advisors. He gets to pick his National Security Advisor, his DHS Secretary, his SecDef, etc. What does it matter if he also chooses to be advised by Mr. Bannon? Just because you don't like him?