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As I see the run, and swim challenges, I wonder why the number 1 challenge for most folk is to get at a race BMI if one is serious
about racing. I do not care how much you swim or run, or ever bike, if you are way over weight, well, ...

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Let's try not feeding the troll this time...
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i thought you stayed at race weight year round?
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You can always start one.

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i thought you stayed at race weight year round?

Yes but he intends on trimming down a bit more by dispensing with a dirigible's worth of hot air in this thread. Just watch.

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Jordano wrote:
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i thought you stayed at race weight year round?


Yes but he intends on trimming down a bit more by dispensing with a dirigible's worth of hot air in this thread. Just watch.

Nope the wife said if I lose anymore weight, ......

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?

No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.

This is already part of the "what is your watts per kilo" thread. Lately I let my weight creep up and my swimming is awesome....until I got on the CT and my watts were down and sadly my kilos are UP!
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You just reminded me of when I first started swimming at the Princeton YMCA. A skinny runner, I asked one of the good swimmers what I should do. His answer; ''You gotta eat more donuts!''!

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You just reminded me of when I first started swimming at the Princeton YMCA. A skinny runner, I asked one of the good swimmers what I should do. His answer; ''You gotta eat more donuts!''!

Wetsuits are the great equalizer...allows skinny guys to keep up with fat guys in the. water and then the skinny guy ditches the wetsuit for bike and run but the fatter swim stud has to bike and run with the built in wetsuit.
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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Tell us more about yourself Dave. I feel like we hardly know ye.

Less bike talk, more Dave I always say.
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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [FullEmpty] [ In reply to ]
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You know, I just weigh myself every day and if its good I have ice cream.....I haven't had ice cream in a long time!
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devashish_paul wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.


This is already part of the "what is your watts per kilo" thread. Lately I let my weight creep up and my swimming is awesome....until I got on the CT and my watts were down and sadly my kilos are UP!

Main reason I try to stay around race weight all year. I love the junk food, but not the big diets.

Hope you can get back to running to help get the weight off. Have you considered looking at the Bionic Runner to use in your rehab?

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devashish_paul wrote:
This is already part of the "what is your watts per kilo" thread. Lately I let my weight creep up and my swimming is awesome....until I got on the CT and my watts were down and sadly my kilos are UP!


I'm 60kg now and was a way better swimmer at close to 70kg, more power and seemed to float better.
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h2ofun wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.


This is already part of the "what is your watts per kilo" thread. Lately I let my weight creep up and my swimming is awesome....until I got on the CT and my watts were down and sadly my kilos are UP!

Main reason I try to stay around race weight all year. I love the junk food, but not the big diets.

Hope you can get back to running to help get the weight off. Have you considered looking at the Bionic Runner to use in your rehab?

Does it come with a discounted Spruzzamist?
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Wetsuits are the great equalizer...allows skinny guys to keep up with fat guys in the. water and then the skinny guy ditches the wetsuit for bike and run but the fatter swim stud has to bike and run with the built in wetsuit.

We say bioprene ..

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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sausskross wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Wetsuits are the great equalizer...allows skinny guys to keep up with fat guys in the. water and then the skinny guy ditches the wetsuit for bike and run but the fatter swim stud has to bike and run with the built in wetsuit.

We say bioprene ..

I like that....I am enjoying my bioprene floatation....I was also wondering why my hard sets in the 50m pool that is kept at competition temps don't feel as "cold" anymore....I was chalking it up to generating more watts working harder (since my splits were faster)....the reality is my bioprene layer is helping me hit the same splits at lower wattage while staying warmer. What's not to like about that if you're not trying to win the watts per kilo dick swinging thread!
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It works also on the bike, in earlier years in winter it was horrible cold on it, now with the same temperature it feels milder ..

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devashish_paul wrote:
sausskross wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Wetsuits are the great equalizer...allows skinny guys to keep up with fat guys in the. water and then the skinny guy ditches the wetsuit for bike and run but the fatter swim stud has to bike and run with the built in wetsuit.

We say bioprene ..


I like that....I am enjoying my bioprene floatation....I was also wondering why my hard sets in the 50m pool that is kept at competition temps don't feel as "cold" anymore....I was chalking it up to generating more watts working harder (since my splits were faster)....the reality is my bioprene layer is helping me hit the same splits at lower wattage while staying warmer. What's not to like about that if you're not trying to win the watts per kilo dick swinging thread!

Bioprene! I love it

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h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?

No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.

More training leads to weight loss, no?
So, you are implying that "many folks" are overweight.

Serious question, Dave ... WTF was the point of your starting this thread? Was it simply to build a pile of broken dreams of those you deem to be fat and less-talented than you in order to have something upon which to strut and crow?
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sixt3 wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.


More training leads to weight loss, no?

Well, since D'Wife's latest nickname for me is "Skinny Little Shit" I'm thinking there may be some benefit to more strength training this Winter and maybe some protein supplements? Granted, as a small hairless mammal, I will NEVER be "beefy" ... maybe switching some mass around may be beneficial?

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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.. oh, a TTEQ (Trainings Time Efficiency Quotient - TTHQ the evolution of TTEQ will be published later) is already claimed here?

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RandMart wrote:
sixt3 wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.


More training leads to weight loss, no?

Well, since D'Wife's latest nickname for me is "Skinny Little Shit" I'm thinking there may be some benefit to more strength training this Winter and maybe some protein supplements? Granted, as a small hairless mammal, I will NEVER be "beefy" ... maybe switching some mass around may be beneficial?

This made me laugh!
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RandMart wrote:
sixt3 wrote:
h2ofun wrote:
sausskross wrote:
Shouldn't it be a weightloss(relativ) x ftp(normalized) challenge?


No idea. I do not have a weight issue.

Just seems a fair question that if you look at what many folks might be lacking for racing, the number one thing for many
to focus on is losing weight, not more swim/bike or running.


More training leads to weight loss, no?


Well, since D'Wife's latest nickname for me is "Skinny Little Shit" I'm thinking there may be some benefit to more strength training this Winter and maybe some protein supplements? Granted, as a small hairless mammal, I will NEVER be "beefy" ... maybe switching some mass around may be beneficial?

Can we just rename this thread,

"BioPRENE (TM pending).....benefits and drawbacks....and the cheapest way to optimize your USAT LEGAL bioprene water rover ?"

The cool thing about USAT legality of bioprene is you can go way beyond 5 mm. If you want, go 11mm and blow away the water rover. It even helps you on the downhill part of the bike after the swim.

I heard the Kim Kardashian is making her personal order to make a protest at the skinny NYC Models and that Kanye things that Taylor should order some too.

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Ok, go for the TM. The next months I'll do some scientific experiments to explore BioPrene Efficieny and develop some maths for an index ..

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Ok, go for the TM. The next months I'll do some scientific experiments to explore BioPrene Efficieny and develop some maths for an index ..

I am hoping that my current baseline offers the full data set for my current 11 mm built in bioprene rover. In the coming months I am hoping to have data points on 8mm bioprene, 5 mm bioprene and then hopefully get it down to 3mm bioprene by next summer. Both Watts per kilo and 400m swim split data should be available. I am expecting that as the bioprene thickness changes, the watts per kilo get better and the 400m swim time gets worse....well, I am hoping to have data on 11mm, 8mm, 5mm and 3 mm and not 11 mm, 18mm, 25mm and 30 mm
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We should our tools bring into line ..


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This thread has come just in to time to justify my inevitable over-indulgence at Christmas.

If I'm not swimming 1:20 100s in the new year then I'm blaming all of you guys.
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Oh, Dave. Never, ever change.
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This thread has come just in to time to justify my inevitable over-indulgence at Christmas.

If I'm not swimming 1:20 100s in the new year then I'm blaming all of you guys.

If 1:20 is slow for you, then that means you're thinning the bioprene suit. If 1:20 is fast for you that means you're thickening the bioprene suit. The good news is USAT supports you either way. Just don't try to win the swim split dick swinging and the watts per kilo dick swinging at the same time, cause you can't do both by trending your bioprene thickness the same way.
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sausskross wrote:
Ok, go for the TM. The next months I'll do some scientific experiments to explore BioPrene Efficieny and develop some maths for an index ..


I am hoping that my current baseline offers the full data set for my current 11 mm built in bioprene rover. In the coming months I am hoping to have data points on 8mm bioprene, 5 mm bioprene and then hopefully get it down to 3mm bioprene by next summer. Both Watts per kilo and 400m swim split data should be available. I am expecting that as the bioprene thickness changes, the watts per kilo get better and the 400m swim time gets worse....well, I am hoping to have data on 11mm, 8mm, 5mm and 3 mm and not 11 mm, 18mm, 25mm and 30 mm

How many mm do you lose for each pound/kg that you lose??? Do you feel that you lose any muscle along with the fat??? For myself, I've found that I lose about half fat and half muscle when going from 180 lb/10% fat down to 160/5%. My height is about 6'1.5".


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From my unscientific experiences (from the past) I can go down to 164lbs without loosing any pounds on the pedals. On the other hand being a walrus doesn't increase anything gravity has no positive feedback. If Bioprene is over the half inch range training in cold conditions is more effective and wring it out below a quarter inch in spring feels like being a 6,26 ft feather .. so I have to be careful at yaws ..

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Well for next season one of my main targets a W/kg figure.
I hope to achieve it via a 7% gain in FTP and 6% loss in mass.
I can definitely lose the weight, I did it briefly this season but didn't stay there due to some poor discipline from the middle of the season onwards. The FTP gain is looking promising so far but we'll see.
Still, I've no interest in tracking this with others online. No offense!
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Well for next season one of my main targets a W/kg figure.
I hope to achieve it via a 7% gain in FTP and 6% loss in mass.
I can definitely lose the weight, I did it briefly this season but didn't stay there due to some poor discipline from the middle of the season onwards. The FTP gain is looking promising so far but we'll see.
Still, I've no interest in tracking this with others online. No offense!

Was not suggesting anything.

I do not see folks going nuts about reporting bike gains, or even run gains.

It just hit me that if one were to put down a list of things that are important to deal with for having ones best racing, where in the order is weight?
For many, it seems like weight is number one. But I just see so many ignoring this that is just had me asking, do most folks always
try to find an easy way to try and get faster, without really having to put the hard work in?

When folks ask me for inputs as to how to get better, if I just look at them and if they have some weight to lose, I suggest that first. Not fancy, so most ignore the
suggestion.

How many folks are told by their doctors that they need to lose weight, stop smoking, eat better, get more sleep, but totally ignore the inputs? (Does not help
when the doctor or nurse is fat trying to give this advice. )

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From my unscientific experiences (from the past) I can go down to 164lbs without losing any pounds on the pedals. On the other hand being a walrus doesn't increase anything gravity has no positive feedback. If Bioprene is over the half inch range training in cold conditions is more effective and wring it out below a quarter inch in spring feels like being a 6,26 ft feather .. so I have to be careful at yaws ..

What are your beginning and ending weights and percentages??? I see the end weight is 164 but what about the other numbers??? Also, are you 6' 2.6" or 6.26'???


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Can we get back on track with the different versions and attributes of Bioprene??????
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devashish_paul wrote:
Can we get back on track with the different versions and attributes of Bioprene??????

I have no idea what Bioprene is, and no desire to look it up. :)

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I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+. I don't always agree with some of your posts Dave but thought this one was worthwhile... I know I definitely need to work on weight loss. Apparently taking 6 weeks off and drinking beer wasn't a good way to start the offseason!
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I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+.

+1 - I've got 15 pounds I'm working on.

I think piling on Dave is also just something everyone here does, although I haven't been around ST long enough to understand why.
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Toefuzz wrote:
I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+.


+1 - I've got 15 pounds I'm working on.

I think piling on Dave is also just something everyone here does, although I haven't been around ST long enough to understand why.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I have 20 pounds to lose to get back to my IMLou weight... and that was 15 pounds overweight to start! 21 pounds since October 9th... It's impressive! Pathetic, but impressive.
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Holy walrus cow, the converter says 6.26ft in ft ore 6feet and 3.2icnhes. My walrus weight is up to 194lbs, since some years it takes 4 months going down slowly and 2 months going up fast .. next year I try to go down much faster and meet a smaller walrus later .. it's called metabolic balance ore now: BioPrene Balance (TM pending)

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OK I will approach this with honesty....
Current weight 170
Goal 165 (January 1st)
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Can we get back on track with the different versions and attributes of Bioprene??????
Reading some other threads here and observing market trends, should BioPrene Efficiency be an entry level starter kit - ore in the exclusive high end membership category?

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Holy walrus cow, the converter says 6.26ft in ft ore 6feet and 3.2icnhes. My walrus weight is up to 194lbs, since some years it takes 4 months going down slowly and 2 months going up fast .. next year I try to go down much faster and meet a smaller walrus later .. it's called metabolic balance ore now: BioPrene Balance (TM pending)

walrussing happily at 176lbs and 6'2", down from 182 a couple months back. Warmer and faster in the pool, this BioPrene stuff is great ;-)
As long as I can stay at or below 175 for the winter, it will be well, can shift those 5lbs as usual in the spring by getting out more.

@ericmulk, for me optimum running weight is low 160s, don't believe there is significant muscle loss in my case getting to that, just get leaner. But I have great difficulty in putting on muscle, so guess a lot of this depends on body type. My brother was a muscular competitive swimmer, when he loses weight he does seem to lose muscle as well - but he's been biking to lose the weight, so it's not quite a fair comparison.
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I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+. I don't always agree with some of your posts Dave but thought this one was worthwhile... I know I definitely need to work on weight loss. Apparently taking 6 weeks off and drinking beer wasn't a good way to start the offseason!

I am always trying to throw out ideas, that I, and others racers talk about. But yep, as you see, on ST, the bullies always jump in.

Just ignoring them, seems like now, with the holidays, is a great time to focus on weight. I know I am like crazy, and so far, have been able to stay ahead of it.

Good luck. If some just put as much energy into weight control, as they do for training, etc., it can work, but the older we get, the harder it gets.

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Toefuzz wrote:
I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+.


+1 - I've got 15 pounds I'm working on.

I think piling on Dave is also just something everyone here does, although I haven't been around ST long enough to understand why.

The experts do not like that I have been successful doing training and racing all the wrong "ST" ways and try to offer to folks their might
be other ways to train. Drives the bullies nuts.

Good luck. Once the weight is on, boy is it hard to get off, especially during winter

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I think piling on Dave is also just something everyone here does, although I haven't been around ST long enough to understand why.

This thread indeed would have been better received had it been posted by most anyone else. Instead, it was greeted with the denigration and derailing it deserved given the OP's history of backdoor bragging and then standing back, ostensibly dumbfounded as to why anyone would think that's what he was trying to do?

As in "gee, Dave, how much weight do you need to lose?"

"Well, none, because as I say ad nauseam I'm always at race weight..."

Anyway....what was that -prene thing again?
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devashish_paul wrote:
Can we get back on track with the different versions and attributes of Bioprene??????
Reading some other threads here and observing market trends, should BioPrene Efficiency be an entry level starter kit - ore in the exclusive high end membership category?

In all seriousness, I was pretty good about staying close to optimal weight all year. My normal "off-season weight is 142, race season 138, A event 137 to 136". I stayed around 140 all year with no racing but in the last 8 weeks seem to have just lost discipline and cranked up to 148....so I need to reverse the trend even though I am not racing. Racing has provided me with discipline to stay pretty cut for 30 years and I have to get back on that train even without racing. I know how to do it, so it's just applying the process...at 51 I can't. go from 148 up to 158 (I have not been 158 since lifting as a 22 yeat old but that was 5 percent fat). Highschooll weight was 140 and no reason to not be there. So I plan to take off the bioprene and next year climb Alpe d'Huez at 4.3W per kilo by cutting kilos and showing up lean like Quintana
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I met 4,3W/kg again in July this year just before a femur fraktur, happily BioPrene still let some space for improvement. There is a great event called "La Marmotte" to conquer Alpe d'Hues in peloton atmosphere ..

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I wonder how this thread might have gone if someone else made the suggestion? I was genuinely interested in a weight loss challenge so I opened it up expecting to find other likeminded people. Unfortunately I forgot that everyone on ST weighs 150 pounds and has a W/KG of 7+.


+1 - I've got 15 pounds I'm working on.

I think piling on Dave is also just something everyone here does, although I haven't been around ST long enough to understand why.

I started a challenge a year (or so) ago. Even funded the prize. Started off well but in the end I was the only one who voted for a winner so I moved my prize money from one pocket to the other.
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sausskross wrote:
Holy walrus cow, the converter says 6.26ft in ft ore 6feet and 3.2icnhes. My walrus weight is up to 194lbs, since some years it takes 4 months going down slowly and 2 months going up fast .. next year I try to go down much faster and meet a smaller walrus later .. it's called metabolic balance ore now: BioPrene Balance (TM pending)


walrussing happily at 176lbs and 6'2", down from 182 a couple months back. Warmer and faster in the pool, this BioPrene stuff is great ;-)
As long as I can stay at or below 175 for the winter, it will be well, can shift those 5lbs as usual in the spring by getting out more.

@ericmulk, for me optimum running weight is low 160s, don't believe there is significant muscle loss in my case getting to that, just get leaner. But I have great difficulty in putting on muscle, so guess a lot of this depends on body type. My brother was a muscular competitive swimmer, when he loses weight he does seem to lose muscle as well - but he's been biking to lose the weight, so it's not quite a fair comparison.

My experience has been same as your brother; as I posted before, I can go from from 180/10% down to 160/5% w/o even trying that hard, just restrict my caloric intake. If you do the math: 180/10% implies 18 lb fat and 162 lean, whereas 160/5% implies 8 lb fat and 152 lean. Thus I am losing about half fat and half muscle. I look like a scarecrow at 160, and I've gone just as fast at 175, so I use 175 as my "race weight". I just do not like looking anorexic, sorry.

In any event, it is pretty easy to determine if you are losing muscle or not by simply doing the math.


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I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.
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I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.

Is actual weight important, or BMI? I have used the BMI numbers, and BMI numbers from various pro's in sports, and justify my BMI being right
at the edge of okay.

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I think a competition would best work as percentage loss if you wanted to go straight weight loss or change in Watts/KG.
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I think a competition would best work as percentage loss if you wanted to go straight weight loss or change in Watts/KG.

I sure would not see this as a competition. Not everything in life has to be a competition, which implies winners and losers.

I just see supporting each other since this is tough. I see giving different ideas on ways to go about it. Some may work for some, but not others.

That is what is so wrong, IMO, with so many things today. All this emotion about what is "right" and "wrong". Why cannot we just support each other.
None of this will matter on our death beds!

So, over time, I have thrown out the ideas that I have used that have allowed me to keep the weight. Number 1 is looking at the scale each night
which tells me what quantity, and quality of food I can eat the next day. Lately I have been able to eat a lot of cookies. Will see what the scale
says tonight for tomorrow.

What tricks are other using?

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Since my old tricks don't work in my new age I learn new tricks and a blood count during femur fracture rehab helps me to find stray bullets. One thing I learned is to replace wheat flour with rye ore spelled flour, since I'm a big bread eater it seems to be a big trick ..

edit: fyi .. bread culture in germany is very different from white bread ore burgers

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h2ofun wrote:
Toefuzz wrote:
I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.


Is actual weight important, or BMI? I have used the BMI numbers, and BMI numbers from various pro's in sports, and justify my BMI being right
at the edge of okay.

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...

"I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10, and I don't know why!"
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Do people typically keep track of their weight and actually see the trends over time?
I haven't been doing it obsessively but I have been weighing myself and recording values on a semi-regular basis for several years.
I started out with my weight around 97kg (214lbs) about 6 years ago.
When I started training (just cycling initially) that quickly dropped to about 92kg (203lbs) without any specific effort towards weight loss.
Since then I have paid a bit more attention to my diet, which was never terrible, I just tend to eat a little too much but the quality is okay IMO. In the following years I typically made an effort in the first half of the year approaching the race season and lost a few kg. Then as I backed off the training volume and ate a little more as the weather got colder at the start of winter, I put back on some of it. Typically I probably lost 4kg (9lbs) each spring and regained half of it in autumn. This year I briefly reached 80kg (176lbs) in April before gaining a little in the last 2 months before my IM in June. Then I took a break while travelling and put more back on and I'm back where I was last winter already.

Anyway, to summarise my ramblings. My weight varies within a range of about 4-5kg most years. Each year it drops steadily after Christmas, bottoming out in the early summer. Most years it stays pretty steady all summer and then starts rising aqain around October. I peak at Christmas and the cycle repeats. Thankfully, I put back on less most winters, than I had lost in spring so I make a net loss each year of something in the region of 2-3kg. The trend is consistent but ideally I'd like to be about 75-76kg so I've another 2 or 3 years to go at my current rate. Of course, my intention now is to do it quicker than that, but past patterns suggest that's unlikely. On the other hand, 2016 started really well and was somewhat torpedoed by an early IM followed by an extended once in a lifetime period of holiday and travel. Maybe I can start 2017 just as well, or better and then consolidate it better.

My plan is pretty simple:
Don't put on any more weight over the remainder of 2016 (especially between Christmas and New Year). I'll try and lose a little in the next 2 weeks to give a small buffer for Christmas.
Cut out the bad snacking habits starting now and reaching full discipline by mid January. Get under 82kg before my first event in late March (a half IM with a hilly cycle leg). Then I'll try and lose a bit more and get below 80kg by late June ahead of my second major event, a cycle with over 5000m (16,500ft) of climbing. Weight will make a big difference on that one I think!
I'm definitely capable of getting to 80kg. I just about made it this year, if briefly. In 2017 I want to get below it and stay there for a couple of months. Anything under 80kg will be the lightest I've been in about 15 years (since mid 20s). My A race next year will be a 70.3 in late August. I'd like to drop a little more before that but the focus at that stage will be on consolidating what I've already lost and keeping sufficiently fuelled to maximise my performance.

My goals aren't massively ambitious compared to some. But I'd rather lose a little year on year than a lot quickly and then put it back on again. I'm heavier than I should be, but not by a huge amount and it's a work in progress.
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Warbird wrote:

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...


How many hours/week were you in the weight room?

And what was your open 5k time?
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I met 4,3W/kg again in July this year just before a femur fraktur, happily BioPrene still let some space for improvement. There is a great event called "La Marmotte" to conquer Alpe d'Hues in peloton atmosphere ..
La Marmotte is the very event I mentioned in my previous post. I've signed up for the 2017 edition. It's got me worried. I'm not that strong rider and I'm not light. It's a lot of climbing! Hopefully it'll keep me motivated to lose weight while at the same time putting in lots of work on the bike. My current FTP is about 255W at 85kg so right on 3W/kg. Not exactly impressive. I'm hoping to raise my FTP to something like 275W while simultaneously dropping to 80kg. That would put me at 3.44W/kg. Still not impressive but could make a big difference. With my climbing ability as it stands, I'm guessing the 174km Marmotte route could take me something like 12hrs!!! More than double what I can do on just moderately hilly routes.
h2ofun wrote:
Toefuzz wrote:
I think a competition would best work as percentage loss if you wanted to go straight weight loss or change in Watts/KG.


I sure would not see this as a competition. Not everything in life has to be a competition, which implies winners and losers.....

.....So, over time, I have thrown out the ideas that I have used that have allowed me to keep the weight. Number 1 is looking at the scale each night
which tells me what quantity, and quality of food I can eat the next day. Lately I have been able to eat a lot of cookies. Will see what the scale
says tonight for tomorrow.

What tricks are other using?
I agree, a competition is probably not the right way to do it. It would likely be counterproductive for lots of people. A competition isn't just motivating, it can be excessively discouraging if everything isn't going to plan. While I have long term goals, I think it's better to make weight loss a rolling target. After all, maintaining healthy weight is more of a lifestyle than a one off event. Your method of evaluating it should reflect that. Otherwise the temptation is to give up because you're going to fail. There is no failure, just delays!
Look at all the fad diet folks. They frequently lose huge amounts of weight very fast. Then they either relax or more likely crack, and it all goes back on....plus a bit more. That's not the right approach.

Regarding looking at the scales each night. Beware the normal fluctuations that don't really reflect body fat or steady state weight!
A little dehydration from training, whether you've been to the toilet, the last meal you ate, inflammation, etc. These all cause variations that are transient but significantly large.
I think weighing yourself in the morning probably produces better consistency between measurements but also, I only allow myself worry or congratulate myself if changes in weight are a trend rather than just one or two closely spaced measurements.
It's well worth graphing your weigh-ins so you can see the trend over weeks. Weighing myself every day or two keeps the subject in my conciousness and helps see what's happening over time, but the individual readings are of limited value. Say I lose 100g of fat today but drink a 300ml glass of water at some stage this evening that I didn't drink yesterday. All else being equal, I weigh myself and think I gained 200g when in fact I lost 100g. Once you graph it and have multiple readings you can ignore the noise and see the overall trend. Then you can plan and predict with some confidence.
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sausskross wrote:
I met 4,3W/kg again in July this year just before a femur fraktur, happily BioPrene still let some space for improvement. There is a great event called "La Marmotte" to conquer Alpe d'Hues in peloton atmosphere ..

La Marmotte is the very event I mentioned in my previous post. I've signed up for the 2017 edition. It's got me worried. I'm not that strong rider and I'm not light. It's a lot of climbing! Hopefully it'll keep me motivated to lose weight while at the same time putting in lots of work on the bike. My current FTP is about 255W at 85kg so right on 3W/kg. Not exactly impressive. I'm hoping to raise my FTP to something like 275W while simultaneously dropping to 80kg. That would put me at 3.44W/kg. Still not impressive but could make a big difference. With my climbing ability as it stands, I'm guessing the 174km Marmotte route could take me something like 12hrs!!! More than double what I can do on just moderately hilly routes.
h2ofun wrote:
Toefuzz wrote:
I think a competition would best work as percentage loss if you wanted to go straight weight loss or change in Watts/KG.


I sure would not see this as a competition. Not everything in life has to be a competition, which implies winners and losers.....

.....So, over time, I have thrown out the ideas that I have used that have allowed me to keep the weight. Number 1 is looking at the scale each night
which tells me what quantity, and quality of food I can eat the next day. Lately I have been able to eat a lot of cookies. Will see what the scale
says tonight for tomorrow.

What tricks are other using?

I agree, a competition is probably not the right way to do it. It would likely be counterproductive for lots of people. A competition isn't just motivating, it can be excessively discouraging if everything isn't going to plan. While I have long term goals, I think it's better to make weight loss a rolling target. After all, maintaining healthy weight is more of a lifestyle than a one off event. Your method of evaluating it should reflect that. Otherwise the temptation is to give up because you're going to fail. There is no failure, just delays!
Look at all the fad diet folks. They frequently lose huge amounts of weight very fast. Then they either relax or more likely crack, and it all goes back on....plus a bit more. That's not the right approach.

Regarding looking at the scales each night. Beware the normal fluctuations that don't really reflect body fat or steady state weight!
A little dehydration from training, whether you've been to the toilet, the last meal you ate, inflammation, etc. These all cause variations that are transient but significantly large.
I think weighing yourself in the morning probably produces better consistency between measurements but also, I only allow myself worry or congratulate myself if changes in weight are a trend rather than just one or two closely spaced measurements.
It's well worth graphing your weigh-ins so you can see the trend over weeks. Weighing myself every day or two keeps the subject in my conciousness and helps see what's happening over time, but the individual readings are of limited value. Say I lose 100g of fat today but drink a 300ml glass of water at some stage this evening that I didn't drink yesterday. All else being equal, I weigh myself and think I gained 200g when in fact I lost 100g. Once you graph it and have multiple readings you can ignore the noise and see the overall trend. Then you can plan and predict with some confidence.

Yep, the trend is what is important. I can lose or gain 3 to 4 lbs in a day depending on what I am doing. The point is without data, can one make smart choices. Most
tell me that just go by feel in their clothes. Does not work for me.

This is why I have a range. My goal weight is 160. I hit 164 and it is all stop. If I hit 155, it is tons more food. I adjust when between. I was 158 last night so I get
more cookies at lunch today. It is kinda a game, but it has allowed me to never have to do a crash diet. Much more positive mentally to just stay on top of it, just like
I exercise each day.

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I met 4,3W/kg again in July this year just before a femur fraktur, happily BioPrene still let some space for improvement. There is a great event called "La Marmotte" to conquer Alpe d'Hues in peloton atmosphere ..

La Marmotte is the very event I mentioned in my previous post. I've signed up for the 2017 edition. It's got me worried. I'm not that strong rider and I'm not light. It's a lot of climbing! Hopefully it'll keep me motivated to lose weight while at the same time putting in lots of work on the bike. My current FTP is about 255W at 85kg so right on 3W/kg. Not exactly impressive. I'm hoping to raise my FTP to something like 275W while simultaneously dropping to 80kg. That would put me at 3.44W/kg. Still not impressive but could make a big difference. With my climbing ability as it stands, I'm guessing the 174km Marmotte route could take me something like 12hrs!!! More than double what I can do on just moderately hilly routes.
h2ofun wrote:
Toefuzz wrote:
I think a competition would best work as percentage loss if you wanted to go straight weight loss or change in Watts/KG.


I sure would not see this as a competition. Not everything in life has to be a competition, which implies winners and losers.....

.....So, over time, I have thrown out the ideas that I have used that have allowed me to keep the weight. Number 1 is looking at the scale each night
which tells me what quantity, and quality of food I can eat the next day. Lately I have been able to eat a lot of cookies. Will see what the scale
says tonight for tomorrow.

What tricks are other using?

I agree, a competition is probably not the right way to do it. It would likely be counterproductive for lots of people. A competition isn't just motivating, it can be excessively discouraging if everything isn't going to plan. While I have long term goals, I think it's better to make weight loss a rolling target. After all, maintaining healthy weight is more of a lifestyle than a one off event. Your method of evaluating it should reflect that. Otherwise the temptation is to give up because you're going to fail. There is no failure, just delays!
Look at all the fad diet folks. They frequently lose huge amounts of weight very fast. Then they either relax or more likely crack, and it all goes back on....plus a bit more. That's not the right approach.

Regarding looking at the scales each night. Beware the normal fluctuations that don't really reflect body fat or steady state weight!
A little dehydration from training, whether you've been to the toilet, the last meal you ate, inflammation, etc. These all cause variations that are transient but significantly large.
I think weighing yourself in the morning probably produces better consistency between measurements but also, I only allow myself worry or congratulate myself if changes in weight are a trend rather than just one or two closely spaced measurements.
It's well worth graphing your weigh-ins so you can see the trend over weeks. Weighing myself every day or two keeps the subject in my conciousness and helps see what's happening over time, but the individual readings are of limited value. Say I lose 100g of fat today but drink a 300ml glass of water at some stage this evening that I didn't drink yesterday. All else being equal, I weigh myself and think I gained 200g when in fact I lost 100g. Once you graph it and have multiple readings you can ignore the noise and see the overall trend. Then you can plan and predict with some confidence.

There is Marmotte and also the Gran Fondo Stelvio that does Mortirolo and Stelvio (4000m total). I may do one of them (although maybe Marmotte is sold out), but I just find it easier to buy a plane ticket and get myself to Bourg D'Oisans or Bormio and then do these climbs with a few friends. What is true is that either signing up for an event, or as a minimum dropping $$$ on flight to go ride will basically seal the deal for me, in the same way signing up for a tri has in the past. Last year, I did one day of climbing which was Bourg d'Oisans to Galibier and then back and via the Balcony route (another set of insane climbing) down to the base of Alpe d'Huez and then climbed to the top. It was a 4000m day that ended at 8 pm. Next morning we did an Alpe d'Huez ITT at 8am...bad plan after 6 hours in the saddle and 4000m the day before. My goal was to break 60 min (I was down at 140lbs so very doable), but blew up and crawled in at 65 min with no legs due to the previous day. This year, if I go back the goal is sub 60 min. I think it is in the realm of possiblility, but I have to get FTP closer to 270W and get weight right at 140 lbs or lower and have a good day when you have warm thermals from the valley blowing you uphill (always do an uphill TT in the evening for this reason).
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Warbird wrote:

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...


How many hours/week were you in the weight room?

And what was your open 5k time?

Zero time in the weight room, just a lot of running, swimming, riding, and skateboarding. Average 5k time was just under 19, with an 18:39 PR

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Sixty-plus posts and we still haven't posted this?

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the trick is to keep losing weight until your friends and family ask you if you've been sick. then you know you're within 10 pounds. if they start whispering to each other, wondering if you've got cancer or aids, you're within 5. when they actually do an intervention, you're at race weight.

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Originally posted Feb 20, 2006, but quoted often

Glad to help

Carry on

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RandMart wrote:
Sixty-plus posts and we still haven't posted this?

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the trick is to keep losing weight until your friends and family ask you if you've been sick. then you know you're within 10 pounds. if they start whispering to each other, wondering if you've got cancer or aids, you're within 5. when they actually do an intervention, you're at race weight.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman


This is the fictional unicorn....you can never get there or like all the nympho virgins waiting for you at heavens gate...never gonna happen



Originally posted Feb 20, 2006, but quoted often

Glad to help

Carry on
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This is the fictional unicorn....you can never get there or like all the nympho virgins waiting for you at heavens gate...never gonna happen

good point, on all accounts



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RandMart wrote:
Sixty-plus posts and we still haven't posted this?

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the trick is to keep losing weight until your friends and family ask you if you've been sick. then you know you're within 10 pounds. if they start whispering to each other, wondering if you've got cancer or aids, you're within 5. when they actually do an intervention, you're at race weight.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman


This is the fictional unicorn....you can never get there or like all the nympho virgins waiting for you at heavens gate...never gonna happen



Originally posted Feb 20, 2006, but quoted often

Glad to help

Carry on

I disagree. Dan's comments are pretty close to comments I have gotten from friends, and the wife! I probably could get back to the 149 lbs I weighed in high
school but my BMI would then be way into the bad under weight area.

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When do you weigh yourself each evening? I know my weight can swing quite a bit in a day, depending on what I eat and how many miles I run. I usually weigh myself in the mornings after the run, but sometimes I forget. I need to get back to a consistent time every day. What gets measured gets done!
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Weigh yourself in the am, pre run but post potty break. Weighing yourself at night is only interesting in that it shows you how much you gained during the day and/or what you'll lose overnight. Weighing yourself post-exercise underestimates your weight. Once this year I weighed 149 lbs after a 5 hour ride/run. That was 6-7 lbs lighter than what I weighed pre-ride (live in South FL).

Get a garmin scale, it does all the work for you and goes right to your garmin connect account. Great tool.
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I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.

This was it. And I'm shocked to see it was 2 years ago not just 1.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5331532#p5331532

Not perfect. Could've ended up nothing more than popularity contest but I couldn't think of any other way of doing it with a bunch of strangers in all parts of the globe. But it motivated me so it worked for me!
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When do you weigh yourself each evening? I know my weight can swing quite a bit in a day, depending on what I eat and how many miles I run. I usually weigh myself in the mornings after the run, but sometimes I forget. I need to get back to a consistent time every day. What gets measured gets done!

I do it each night about 7pm in the same clothes.

Doing it the same time the same way is important. I know if I weigh myself in the morning, I weigh less.

But, no matter when and how you do it, if you do it daily for a few weeks, still really easy to see which direction the trend line is, which really is all
that is important.

I know I took one trip to Disneyland for 10 days. I did not exercise, and ate everyone's left overs. I came home and gained like 10 lbs. Took me 2 months to get
that off. I said never again will I let myself to get that heavy. Now I eat kids meals. We order and share food. Makes it easy now within a few days home
to get it all off.

So, like anything else in life. What is important, one puts focus and energy into.

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Re: Why no lose weight challenge? [Warbird] [ In reply to ]
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Warbird wrote:
AlwaysCurious wrote:
Warbird wrote:

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...


How many hours/week were you in the weight room? And what was your open 5k time?


Zero time in the weight room, just a lot of running, swimming, riding, and skateboarding. Average 5k time was just under 19, with an 18:39 PR.

JOOC, what was your height/weight at the time???


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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Toefuzz wrote:
I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.


This was it. And I'm shocked to see it was 2 years ago not just 1.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5331532#p5331532

Not perfect. Could've ended up nothing more than popularity contest but I couldn't think of any other way of doing it with a bunch of strangers in all parts of the globe. But it motivated me so it worked for me!

Have you kept the weight off since the challenge?
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ericmulk wrote:
Warbird wrote:
AlwaysCurious wrote:
Warbird wrote:

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...


How many hours/week were you in the weight room? And what was your open 5k time?


Zero time in the weight room, just a lot of running, swimming, riding, and skateboarding. Average 5k time was just under 19, with an 18:39 PR.


JOOC, what was your height/weight at the time???

5'9", 175lbs, for a BMI of 25.8

"I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10, and I don't know why!"
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Warbird wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
Warbird wrote:
AlwaysCurious wrote:
Warbird wrote:

When I was at my peak in my mid-late 20s, I was overweight by BMI standards, even though I was at 6-7% body fat and my ribs showed...


How many hours/week were you in the weight room? And what was your open 5k time?


Zero time in the weight room, just a lot of running, swimming, riding, and skateboarding. Average 5k time was just under 19, with an 18:39 PR.


JOOC, what was your height/weight at the time???


5'9", 175lbs, for a BMI of 25.8.

Interesting, thanks. I'm about 6'1.5" so I'd need to be around 198 to have the 25.8 BMI. I've been as high as 183 and definitely gain muscle as well as fat so that i do look consid more muscular at 183 vs 173. Never had the nerve to let myself go up higher though. :)


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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I clicked on this thread because I thought this may be one of those challenges that I actually jump into. LOL. As it turns out, it's just a bunch of skinny guys making fun of another skinny guy for talking about a challenge. I guess I need to find a Jenny Craig forum. Ha ha.
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I clicked on this thread because I thought this may be one of those challenges that I actually jump into. LOL. As it turns out, it's just a bunch of skinny guys making fun of another skinny guy for talking about a challenge. I guess I need to find a Jenny Craig forum. Ha ha.

"You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might find, you'll get what you need..." (Rolling Stones)


"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
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I clicked on this thread because I thought this may be one of those challenges that I actually jump into. LOL. As it turns out, it's just a bunch of skinny guys making fun of another skinny guy for talking about a challenge. I guess I need to find a Jenny Craig forum. Ha ha.

You can look at it half empty if you want.

Off season is the perfect time to focus on weight lose, control, with the holidays. No need to play the games with the new years resolutions, start now. I sure am
keeping my focus. In a lot of ways, it might be harder to get and stay "skinny", than be fat. Most "skinny" folks have to work at it to get, and stay that way.

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The Wall wrote:
Toefuzz wrote:
I don't remember that. What were the rules and how did everyone keep track? I would be interested in a weight loss challenge if anyone else is.


This was it. And I'm shocked to see it was 2 years ago not just 1.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5331532#p5331532

Not perfect. Could've ended up nothing more than popularity contest but I couldn't think of any other way of doing it with a bunch of strangers in all parts of the globe. But it motivated me so it worked for me!


Have you kept the weight off since the challenge?

For the most part yes. The reason it isn't a straight up "yes" is a year ago this week I had a pretty awful mountain bike crash resulting in a couple broken ribs. That ultimately led to pneumonia which took about 9-10 months to recover from. So I initially lost even more (in an unhealthy way). Once the appetite came back without a return of the energy level the weight did creep up some. I'm finally feeling normal again and am leaning out again. The good news is at 46 years old - and as sucky as pneumonia is - I had nearly a year of rest! I feel great! I also completely kicked the soda habit so hopefully some more positive gains forthcoming.
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That is awesome. Thanks for the inspiration! Keep it coming please!!'
John
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h2ofun wrote:
dprocket wrote:
I clicked on this thread because I thought this may be one of those challenges that I actually jump into. LOL. As it turns out, it's just a bunch of skinny guys making fun of another skinny guy for talking about a challenge. I guess I need to find a Jenny Craig forum. Ha ha.


You can look at it half empty if you want.

Off season is the perfect time to focus on weight lose, control, with the holidays. No need to play the games with the new years resolutions, start now. I sure am
keeping my focus. In a lot of ways, it might be harder to get and stay "skinny", than be fat. Most "skinny" folks have to work at it to get, and stay that way.

I agree with Dave that off season is the time to stay focused on body composition, since you may not have to devote as much mental energy to training anyway. The good thing is if you can maintain reasonable composition, it provides a good starting point for more heavy training since you are carrying less weight while running and not trying to lose weight while doing higher volume.

Dave, thanks for starting this thread. It seems since it got going (coupled with the watts per kilo thread), I've brought things consistently down 2-3 lbs. I figure I have 2-3 lbs more to go by New Year's to get back into a reasonable range for the rest of the off season. Even if I can't quite get there, moving close will be in the right direction. I was just going in the wrong direction with recent negative stress. I just find when I have negative stress, my entire metabolism drops if I am in a negative mindset and even though I might train as much, outside of training, I'm just burning less being "down" rather than "up"...plus what goes in becomes "low octane" fuel mucking around with blood insulin levels etc resulting in more storage of fat.
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h2ofun wrote:
dprocket wrote:
I clicked on this thread because I thought this may be one of those challenges that I actually jump into. LOL. As it turns out, it's just a bunch of skinny guys making fun of another skinny guy for talking about a challenge. I guess I need to find a Jenny Craig forum. Ha ha.


You can look at it half empty if you want.

Off season is the perfect time to focus on weight lose, control, with the holidays. No need to play the games with the new years resolutions, start now. I sure am
keeping my focus. In a lot of ways, it might be harder to get and stay "skinny", than be fat. Most "skinny" folks have to work at it to get, and stay that way.


I agree with Dave that off season is the time to stay focused on body composition, since you may not have to devote as much mental energy to training anyway. The good thing is if you can maintain reasonable composition, it provides a good starting point for more heavy training since you are carrying less weight while running and not trying to lose weight while doing higher volume.

Dave, thanks for starting this thread. It seems since it got going (coupled with the watts per kilo thread), I've brought things consistently down 2-3 lbs. I figure I have 2-3 lbs more to go by New Year's to get back into a reasonable range for the rest of the off season. Even if I can't quite get there, moving close will be in the right direction. I was just going in the wrong direction with recent negative stress. I just find when I have negative stress, my entire metabolism drops if I am in a negative mindset and even though I might train as much, outside of training, I'm just burning less being "down" rather than "up"...plus what goes in becomes "low octane" fuel mucking around with blood insulin levels etc resulting in more storage of fat.

Great job.

This was why I started the thread. As you and I said, off season seems to be the time to at least consider is one at the weight they want to be for racing. If not, with the holidays, maybe this is more important to focus on than 100 day runs, or swims, or, ....

And as I said, rather than a competition, lets just keep this need visible and support each other as we try different things to achieve this goal. With me eating out with my Dad 2 to 3 days a week now for over a year since my Mom died, I have had to really really focus on what the scale says. So easy to eat too much at these dinners.

Just got off a 90 minute powercrank spin. Now time to do my 90 minute run in the hills since not raining this morning. This stuff allows me to eat this crappy stuff at Dinner,
and not gain too much weight. Moving pea gravel at my lake front for 5 hours a day also really helps burn the energy.

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By the way, thanks for starting this thread. It has kept things reasonably honest lately. I even saw the scale showin a 13x number a few times in the last 10 days. I think being able to jog/run again is also helping with the leaning out, but mainly just being a bit more disciplined is helping.

Hopefully everyone is having a successful January.
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